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after NC polls that have been all over the place, drudge is saying the clinton camp is expecting
to get blown out.

polls close at 7 in IN and 7:30 in NC.  Both times are eastern.
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2008, 08:17:16 AM »
fivethirtyeight.com predicts obama by 17 points and 150,000 votes.  this is the poll that is causing all the hullabaloo on the internet this morning.  they seem to be using the SC turn out model to predict african american turnout.   but they may be misled by the fact that 40% of the early voters are african americans;  that could be all voter enthusiasm.  at any rate, they are predicting 33% of the vote in NC will be african american.


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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2008, 08:18:14 AM »
My wife and I are heading out to vote and then to go eat and run some errands in the next few minutes.  I live in a borderline surburban/rural area, so I don't know how long the line will be, but when I get back home I'll try to log on and fill you in.

Most of the Dems I know in the Western part of NC are going for Billary.  I suspect the same with the coastal counties, with the piedmont cities of Charlotte/Raleigh area/Greensboro going for Osama (higher black and college student population).

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2008, 08:18:52 AM »
I'll do the play-by-play, as I did during the Pennsylvania primary, tonight beginning at seven, wherever Wretched Excess has the specific thread.
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2008, 08:21:40 AM »
But there's a penalty in all this, for Wretched Excess.

In exchange for my doing the play-by-play tonight, next week (May 13, the day after Fitzmas), Wretched Excess will have to sponsor a Nebraska primary thread, too, even though there's nothing going on in the Nebraska primary.
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2008, 08:23:00 AM »
I'll do the play-by-play, as I did during the Pennsylvania primary, tonight beginning at seven, wherever Wretched Excess has the specific thread.

please do, and right here.  I will rename this thread to "live primary thread", or something else appropriate.  that way all the info in will be in one place at the end of the night. :)

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2008, 08:23:42 AM »
But there's a penalty in all this, for Wretched Excess.

In exchange for my doing the play-by-play tonight, next week (May 13, the day after Fitzmas), Wretched Excess will have to sponsor a Nebraska primary thread, too, even though there's nothing going on in the Nebraska primary.

no problem. :wink:


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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2008, 08:26:06 AM »
My wife and I are heading out to vote and then to go eat and run some errands in the next few minutes.  I live in a borderline surburban/rural area, so I don't know how long the line will be, but when I get back home I'll try to log on and fill you in.

Most of the Dems I know in the Western part of NC are going for Billary.  I suspect the same with the coastal counties, with the piedmont cities of Charlotte/Raleigh area/Greensboro going for Osama (higher black and college student population).

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cool.  can't wait.  :popcorn:

I'm not buying a 17 point blowout, by the way.  they are putting too much stock into what happened in the SC primary, but that was during the high water mark of the euphoria for Baroque Obama;  the climate just isn't the same now as it was then.


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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2008, 08:32:03 AM »
Survey USA has been more reliable lately;  they are at 49-44 in NC.

and the late deciders have been breaking for hillary in the past several primaries.


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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2008, 08:34:08 AM »

Survey USA is at 54-42 hillary in IN.

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2008, 08:43:29 AM »
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There was little if any expectation that the primaries would settle the big, messy picture. Both Clinton and Obama predicted they'd still be campaigning in June.

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Dual victories by Obama would all but knock Clinton out of the race. Polls, however, have found a small edge for the New York senator in Indiana. Obama remains the favorite in North Carolina, though his lead has shrunk.

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North Carolina and Indiana cannot mathematically settle the nomination. A candidate needs 2,025 delegates to win, and Obama had 1,745.5 to Clinton's 1,608 Monday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080506/ap_on_el_pr/primary_rdp
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2008, 09:20:56 AM »


interesting.  it is exam week in IN and NC.  Will Exams
Cost Obama Student Votes?

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2008, 09:49:14 AM »

Baroque Obama won Maryland by 23-points; Virginia by 29, South Carolina by 28 and Georgia by 36

I am repeatedly seeing the past primaries in other atlantic coast states used as evidence that Baroque is going to cruise.  He may well cruise, but I just can't believe that he will carry NC by this kind of margin.

the NC democrat party is poorer than virginia, whiter than SC, less urban than GA, and much more sane than MD.


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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2008, 09:50:05 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080506/pl_politico/10111;_ylt=AjLzmdTnIMzJfoIhL.w3WDNsnwcF

Five things to look for in Indiana

Carrie Budoff Brown Tue May 6, 5:22 AM ET

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. - Before Barack Obama experienced a rough couple of weeks, his campaign was optimistic about his chances in this state.

But with a black population of less than ten percent and swaths of blue collar towns and rural counties, Indiana is looking far more favorable to Hillary Clinton, who has blanketed the state with visits from her, former President Bill Clinton and their daughter Chelsea.

Can she achieve a replay of Ohio and Pennsylvania, when the rural counties turned in huge margins for her? Or will Obama, with significant endorsements in southern Indiana, be able to cut into her support? And will Obama succeed in driving up his totals in Indianapolis and the northwestern corner of the state?

Here is what Indiana political strategists and experts will be looking for Tuesday:

Check the polls. "The mantra is that 10-2-4 routine," said Brian Howey, editor of Howey Politics Indiana, referring to 10 a.m., 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. checks to gauge turnout.

Follow the turnout. Analysts are expecting far bigger turnout this year than in 2004, when about 22 percent of voters cast ballots in the presidential primary, said Russell Hanson, a political science professor at Indiana University-Bloomington.

A much bigger turnout is good news for Obama because it means "those who haven't been politically engaged in the past are coming out," Hanson said. "If that is not happening, then that is working in Clinton's favor because the traditional [party] machinery is working."

The new vote and the early vote. Analysts will be watching the preferences of the more than 200,000 new voters who were added to the registration rolls.

"How many are Obamacans versus Rush Limbaugh mischief makers?" Howey asked.

More than 160,000 voters cast their ballots early, with large numbers coming in from Obama strongholds in Lake (Gary), Marion (Indianapolis) and Monroe (Indiana University-Bloomington) counties.

The Obama campaign tried taking full advantage of this option at Purdue and Indiana University, where classes concluded last week, by shuttling students to the county election site. "The traffic was so heavy that the county clerk agreed they would bring the polling place to the center of campus for two days," Hanson said.

Hoosier math. Obama needs to pile up large margins in Indianapolis in the middle of the state and in Gary's Lake County in the northwest corner, which is part of the Chicago media market.

Both areas boast significant African American populations. Gary, a city of 100,000 residents, is 84 percent black. Indianapolis, population 780,000, is 25 percent black.

A good night for Obama would mean 10- to 20-point margins in both areas, analysts said.

Obama will also need 20-point margins in college towns such as Bloomington and West Lafayette, analysts said.

Clinton must rely on the Ohio River towns in southern Indiana along the Kentucky border. Obama drew 8,000 people to rally in Evansville, and picked up key endorsements in this area, such as Congressman Baron Hill and former Rep. Lee Hamilton, a revered figure. But Clinton is nevertheless favored to win the region by double digits. She spent the final hours of the campaign Monday in New Albany, a city of 37,000 with 7 percent black population, and Evansville, a city of 117,000 that is 11 percent black.

Clinton also hopes to pad her lead in east central Indiana. Economically-distressed cities with union influence, such as Anderson, Muncie and Richmond, present favorable terrain for Clinton, but they also have African American populations of between eight and 15 percent, Howey said.

Places to watch. Kokomo's Howard County is the bellwether to watch, Howey said. It is urban and rural, with a mix of African Americans and blue collar workers, some employed in the Chrysler plants. According to Howey, it tends to back the winner in gubernatorial, congressional and state legislative races.

The South Bend area drew significant focus from both campaigns. It is home to the University of Notre Dame, which bodes well for Obama, but there are also many Catholics and a "strong tradition of blue collar Reagan Democratic voters" that would favor Clinton, said Hanson.

The wealthy Republican suburbs north of Indianapolis also received attention from the campaigns, suggesting that both candidates are looking for crossover votes, Howey said. A poll conducted for the Howey Politics Indiana found that up to 20 percent of Tuesday's turnout could be non-Democrats.
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2008, 09:51:53 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080506/pl_politico/10112;_ylt=ArzS.IZqeXA78FyA_GuU8f1snwcF

... and in North Carolina

Carrie Budoff Brown Tue May 6, 5:28 AM ET

If Barack Obama's late decision to hold his election night rally in Raleigh is any indication (his campaign didn't settle on a location until Monday afternoon), the Illinois senator is feeling confident about his chances in North Carolina.

It's a good thing, for an upset win by Hillary Clinton in North Carolina could shake up the presidential campaign if paired with a Clinton victory in Indiana.

For insight into how North Carolina will be won, here's a guide to where and what to watch Tuesday:

Check the polls. Officially, the polls open at 6:30 a.m. and close at 7:30 p.m. But insiders here check the polls at 10:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m., after the early morning and lunch hour rushes, to gauge turnout.

Keep an eye on Raleigh-Durham area turnout. Before more than 350,000 ballots were cast during the early voting period, analysts were forecasting a turnout of about 800,000 voters in the presidential primary.

That number should now top one million, said Morgan Jackson, a North Carolina political consultant.

"The key will be the Raleigh-Durham market," Jackson said. It usually makes up between a quarter and a third of the overall turnout vote. "If that is creeping up to 40 percent that spells good news for Obama," he said.

Big cities vs. small towns. North Carolina voters are concentrated around the I-40/I-85 corridor through the central region of the state, where Obama will look to drive his margins above 55 percent in the metropolitan areas of Charlotte, Winston-Salem (part of the Triad) and Raleigh-Durham (part of the Research Triangle).

North Carolina has 100 counties, and "usually the top 14 counties in the metropolitan areas cast more votes" than the rest combined, said Ferrel Guillory, a former political reporter who lectures at the University of North Carolina. "So Hillary is counting on those other counties to maximize her vote. She needs an extra margin out of those counties."

Former President Bill Clinton has been busy working the less populated areas to the west of Charlotte and to the east of Raleigh. He made 14 stops on Sunday and Monday alone in towns that have never seen a former president.

All in all, the former president has made more than 40 campaign stops in small town North Carolina, where analysts say Hillary needs to pull in more than 60 percent of the vote.

Can she do it? Bill Clinton bragged to at least one North Carolina crowd that he boosted his wife in Pennsylvania, visiting 20 rural counties where she won at least 60 percent of the vote.

Hillary Clinton will also need to be competitive in the suburbs and exurbs of the major metropolitan areas because a pure rural strategy will not be enough, analysts said.

Follow the African-American vote. The higher the black turnout, the higher the Obama margin of victory.

African Americans have made up 40 percent of the early voting turnout and are expected to comprise anywhere from 30 to 40 percent of the vote today.

Most polls show Clinton picking up about 10 percent of the African American vote. If she can claw her way into the range of about 20 percent--which would be on the high side for her in a Southern state--she would get some breathing room.

Places to watch. Check out a medium-sized city such as Fayetteville where there is a mix of African Americans and rural white conservative Democrats. Clinton has made overtures to the military voters around Fort Bragg, but Obama could draw strength from historically black Fayetteville State University, said Doug Heye, a Republican political strategist and North Carolina native.

Durham, which is 44 percent African American, could provide a gauge on turnout among one of Obama's most loyal constituencies. Charlotte, Greensboro and Winston-Salem, all at least one-third black, are also worth watching. Obama needs strong turnout in towns with black colleges and universities, such as Elizabeth City in the northeastern corner of the state, Heye said.

The counties around Raleigh and Durham could provide clues as to whether Obama can rebound with suburban white voters after turning in a lackluster performance in Philadelphia's upper-income suburbs.
Asheville could be an island of Obama strength in rural western Carolina.
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2008, 11:54:00 AM »
My wife and I voted around 9:50am, there was no line at all, just walked right in and did the deed.  I asked a worker when I left if it had been busy and he said there had been around 140 people so far, mainly between 7 and 8 this morning.  The area I live in will have some retirees who'll trickle in all during the day, but the majority will wait until their lunch hour or go by after work.

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2008, 03:36:34 PM »
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Final NC Poll

InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion Survey North Carolina:
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May 6, 2008 — The final InsiderAdvantage / Majority Opinion Research poll of the North Carolina Democratic Primary suggests a tight battle between Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton. The survey of 774 registered likely voters in the Tuesday’s contest was conducted the evening of May 5. It is weighted for age, race, and gender. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3%.

The results:

Obama: 47%
Clinton: 43%
Undecided: 10%

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if the undecideds are at 10%, and they have been breaking for hillary in the last several primaries . . . then we are going to have a very Baroken Obama at the end of the night.

 

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary update thread
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2008, 03:40:42 PM »
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Obama Inching Closer in Indiana
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May 5, 2008 — Hillary Clinton is like one of those blow-up punching bags that keep popping back up when you slug them. For her to pop up and then pop back with a punch of her own, she must at least win Tuesday’s Indiana primary. Our latest poll shows that she has a good chance of doing that.  Here’s the latest results in Indiana:

Hillary Clinton 48%
Barack Obama 44%
Undecided 8%

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this would be a disappointment to team clinton.

Zogby has Baroque Obama winning huge in NC, and comfortably in IN.  but zogby hasn't been right in about a decade.


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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2008, 05:01:27 PM »

HuffPo is saying Obama +12 in NC, Clinton +7 in IN.  but they are wrong most of the time.

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2008, 05:26:54 PM »
Talked to the Clerk of Court in my county about an hour ago and she told me that Dems are showing up pretty heavy in the State today, which if is the case would mean Hussein will likely win.  No info on the margins at this point.

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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2008, 06:08:00 PM »
6:06 p.m. central time.

Indiana results trickling in.

With 4% counted:

Clinton 59%
Obama 41%
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2008, 06:08:57 PM »
5% in now from Indiana.

Clinton 59%
Obama 41%
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2008, 06:12:49 PM »
6% in now from Indiana.

Clinton 59%
Obama 41%
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2008, 06:15:14 PM »
7% now in from Indiana

57% Clinton
43% Obama

No returns yet from North Carolina.
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Re: NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2008, 06:17:52 PM »
10% in now from Indiana.

Clinton 58%
Obama 42%
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Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."