Nadin knows the libertarian party

[formerlurker]

nadinbrzezinski
 
The Libertarian Party: A lesson in too wide of a tent

I know, I know this is about that third party in the country (and why it will never replace either of the other two, even if the GOP goes away)

The third party was formed early in the 1970s and quickly grew... to the point that yes, Virginia, it is the third largest party in the United States.

Most of you are familiar with the RIGHT wing of that party. THe ECONOMIC LIBERTARIANS. Yes, Ron Paul is a fellow traveller. No regulations and the market will take care of all is a common mantra.

Now the LEFT of that party are mostly the CIVIL LIBERTARIANS... we have plenty of those and they are concerned mostly with civil liberties. For the record, the CIVIL LIBERTARIANS do hail from traditional 19th century Liberalism... for the record. Yes, a few heroes of classic liberalism would find themselves in agreement with these guys and gals.

This is a marriage of water and oil. This is why they are even harder to manage than yes, the Democratic party. But when you think of WHY they have not been able to break through, apart of all other functional reasons, well part of the problem is that this coalition is a tad too broad to work effectively. After all civil libertarians will come into conflict with the economic types every so often. After all my right to health (aka regulation in the food supply) directly oppose the dogma of the economic libertarians...

Why does this matter? Well the Libertarians will run a candidate and depending on WHAT SIDE of the broad coalition that candidate comes from (seems the economic side), it will draw voters from either the Democrats or the Republicans.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002105164

nadinbrzezinski
6. Have you ever seen a Ron Paul agenda paper?

That is campaign propaganda. The bullet points ignore a lot of that. This is why he is so damn tempting.

I literally have spend hours at the local occupation tearing it down. It is slick, it is tempting, it is well done, and on the surface extremely attractive.

 

musicblind
9. Bill Maher is a Libertarian and so is Ron Paul

so yes. That's a pretty damn BIG tent.
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Response to musicblind (Reply #9)Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:12 PM
 nadinbrzezinski
10. Exactly, one is an economic libertarian, the other is a civil lbertarian

Dearest Nadin,

The definition of civil libertarian is one I do believe you should review as I do not believe it to be a true reflection of your belief system as demonstrated by your passionate support of the socialist movement OWS:

Civil libertarianism is a strain of political thought that supports civil liberties, or which emphasizes the supremacy of individual rights and personal freedoms over and against any kind of authority (such as a state, a corporation, social norms imposed through peer pressure, etc).[1] Civil libertarianism is not a complete ideology; rather, it is a collection of views on the specific issues of civil liberties and civil rights. Because of this, a civil libertarian outlook is compatible with many other political philosophies, and civil libertarianism is found on both the right and left in modern politics.[2]

The primary concern of the civil libertarian is the relationship of the government to the individual. The civil libertarian seeks, in theory, to restrict this relationship to an absolute minimum in which the state can function and provide basic services and security without excessively interfering in the lives of its citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_libertarianism

You see Nads it is simple, the take the money from the 1% and give it to us mantra of the OWS really isn't a discussion a civil libertarian would be having over gin and tonics.    Just saying.

[BEG]

My God, she had diarrhea of the mouth. Someone put a cork in it.

[GOBUCKS]

I just counted eight nadin threads on the front page of the DUmpster.

I wonder if that's a record for one DUmbass.

Considering the high percentage of DUmpmonkeys who are attention whores, it's possible she could singlehandedly set off a Great Discombobulation.

[FreeBorn]

As always she's intricately right on top of breaking trends...



Why she is not employed by NASA or the CIA I'll never know, she's certainly got "the right stuff". Hell, there ought to be a G.I. Jane nadin with the kung fu grip doll, like Jesse Ventura with tits and an M-60 that shoots out flowers and puppies and little packets of printed zen greatness.

[BlueStateSaint]

Now do you see why I was boycotting her for DOTY?  I had an inkling that this would happen.  Any bets on how long she keeps it up?  Months?  Next year (2013)?

[Aristotelian]

Most of you are familiar with the RIGHT wing of that party. THe ECONOMIC LIBERTARIANS. Yes, Ron Paul is a fellow traveller. No regulations and the market will take care of all is a common mantra.

Now the LEFT of that party are mostly the CIVIL LIBERTARIANS... we have plenty of those and they are concerned mostly with civil liberties. For the record, the CIVIL LIBERTARIANS do hail from traditional 19th century Liberalism... for the record. Yes, a few heroes of classic liberalism would find themselves in agreement with these guys and gals.

Notice that she contrasts civil and economic libertarians - claiming the latter as the inheritors of the 19th century (i.e., classical) liberal tradition...by subtle allusion trying to imply that they're connected with modern liberalism. In doing so, she fails to note the shift which took place early in the 20th century (1910s and '20s in the U.K., I'd guess about the same time in the U.S. but not being nadin I don't state as fact what I know nothing about) with the rise of what was then called 'new liberalism' which was essentially inversion of the traditional beliefs in liberty.

Economic and civil libertarians are both inheritors of the classical liberal position - the opposite of this point of view is modern-day liberalism which is little different from socialism.

[dutch508]

My God, she had diarrhea of the mouth. Someone put a cork in it.

The Vesta038937489 of DU

[GOBUCKS]

If they make a nadin G.I. Jane doll, the abbreviation will stand for gastrointestinal.

[NHSparky]

Pretty impressive that she can definie libertarians when they can't define themselves.