Anne shows her stupidity- Brownback is going to hell because of his daughter

[Tucker]

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 08:51 PM

Star Member proud2BlibKansan (89,432 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

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Sam Brownback, Catholic, has a daughter who had a non-Catholic wedding today
Yes, this is a big deal because Sam and his crew pretend they are the morality police in Kansas. And in the Catholic church, it is a sin to attend a wedding in a non-Catholic church. It's a sin to ever attend a service or any event in a non-Catholic church. Weddings, funerals, baptisms, whatever. I have family members who married in non-Catholic ceremonies and about half my family didn't attend their weddings because they wouldn't sin and go into a non-Catholic church.

And Sam belongs to a very conservative Catholic sect that still says the Mass in Latin. They also believe in segregating boys and girls.

So abortion is a sin but he gets to ignore the other rules of the church that he doesn't like.

No I don't blame him for wanting to go to his daughter's wedding. But he can't pretend to be a devout Catholic and sin when it's convenient for him without being called out for it. Not when he thinks he has the right to preach morality to the rest of us.

http://cjonline.com/news/2011-12-31/first-daughter-kansas-wed#.Tv-7-5hQZVg

How did P2B ever make it to almost 70 without having somebody slap the shit out of her?

I'm beginning to think that Anne, not Pam, who is the DUmbest teacher in Kansas.

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 08:56 PM

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1. Damn right!

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His hypocrisy deserves to be called out.

Thank you!

We know that you're DUmb. No need to put it on display.

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 08:59 PM

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2. It is not a sin (per the CC) to attend a non-Catholic wedding or service. Someone's being misled.

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I'm all for smashing hypocrisy (and Brownback's a good example) but please don't mis-inform about Catholic teachings.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:03 PM

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4. If his daughter is a catholic,

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and marries in a non-catholic church without a priest, she is not married at all according to the catholic church. She is living in sin.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:09 PM

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7. True, but the OP was stating it's a sin for a Catholic to ATTEND a wedding in a non-Catholic church.

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They were calling out Brownback's hypocrisy, but this is not an example of it. Granted, there are TONS of examples of his hypocrisy.

Give it up. You'll never win.

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Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:08 PM

Star Member proud2BlibKansan (89,432 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. It most certainly is a sin.

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My uncle was a priest. My cousin is a nun. We have had lengthy discussions about this very issue many many times in my family. Also when I was still Catholic, the pastor of my church told me I couldn't attend the wedding of a good friend because it was in a non-Catholic church. He said if I went to that wedding, I better not come sit in HIS confessional a week later and ask for my sin to be forgiven.

DUmmies lie....

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:12 PM

Star Member CurtEastPoint (2,669 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
10. OK, he said/she said. I'm bowing out and not arguing this further.

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Your uncle is/was wrong. Priests DO make mistakes. But again, I'm totally on board loathing Brownback, but not for this 'sin'.
Submitted respectfullly!!

Told ya!

Response to DesertFlower (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:13 PM

Star Member proud2BlibKansan (89,432 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
11. Canon 1258:

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"It is not lawful for the faithful in any way to assist actively or to take part in the religious services of non-Catholics. Passive or merely material presence can be tolerated of a civic official or on account of respect ... at funerals, marriages, and similar functions of non-Catholics, as long as there be absent the danger of perversity or scandal."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091113230253AAK0gBM

He was most definitely a participant in the wedding.

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 10:21 AM

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41. holy shit...

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you posted THIS and you still think a layman sinned in his attendance at a non-Catholic wedding??? what the ****? are you just trying to stir up shit or do you really not understand?

Bitch slap. Or is it slap a bitch?

[GOBUCKS]

I guess this is the kind of Proud2BDUmb post that coach was thinking of when he started to promote Anne for Top DUmmy of 2010.

It projects a level of lunacy on a par with Taverner and nadin.

It's been a long time since she showed that kind of moonbat mettle.

Way to go, Anne Pritchett!

[JohnnyReb]

This luke warm Methodist is going to have a lot of Catholic company in hell then...

Just to add, there aren't many Catholics around here so what do I know.

[Evil_Conservative]

For a group who hate religion so much, they sure think they know all about religions of others.

[vesta111]

Darn just how old are these priests that today say this gibberish?????

1918, French Grandpa married Grandma in a Protestant church, his family, she and her family  boarded a train in Boston and headed for New Mexico, gramps was in the Army fighting Poncho.

6 months later the church excommunicated Grandpa for his crime.

Push ahead 40+ years, grandpa was in the hospital and to the shock and alarm  of the family he requested a priest.

One of the few time in all those years he had been to church was to bury his parents and he could not take communion. He had attended the church funerals for 2 children that died young at a Protestant church and the baptism of his children and grand children.

In comes in the early 1960's a young priest to his bed side.    The priest so different from the old school gave Grandpa an ear full.      If he had felt guilt for his going against the rules of the church, why did he turn away from God.    Why had he not attended services at the Church of his family???

An extreme progressive in the Catholic Church this Priest, why did grandpa's family French Canadians take the risk of their soul to attend his wedding ?????  

Grandpa did recover and was buried by the family in their church by request a few years later.   The Priest attended and smiled as he left, Grandpa's soul was going to heaven.

One must not loose faith in GOD regardless of the rites of their faith. As long as faith in God comes about, one cannot turn their back on God because of earthly beings insist on certain rites be preformed or absolute subservience to the Code.

Interesting family I was born into, and will go out in.    





 

[MrsSmith]

Also when I was still Catholic, the pastor of my church told me...

proud,  I hate to mention this  (ok, not really...), but leaving the church is a far worse sin than taking part in a non-Catholic service.   

Of course, the facts are that any person who has accepted salvation through Christ will go to heaven, despite the services they may attend on this earth.   

[franksolich]

I guess this is the kind of Proud2BDUmb post that coach was thinking of when he started to promote Anne for Top DUmmy of 2010.

It projects a level of lunacy on a par with Taverner and nadin.

It's been a long time since she showed that kind of moonbat mettle.

Way to go, Anne Pritchett!

Uh huh.  The Die alte Sau at her best.

<<familiar with Roman Catholic doctrine, and tries his best to live it.

She doesn't know shit what she was talking about.  It's possible she had an uncle who was a priest, and an aunt who was a nun, and that she had conversations with them while growing up, but remember the "mindset" of a primitive when it comes to conversations and discussions, in which an uttered "up" is heard as "down," a spoken "white" is heard as "black," a commented "round" is heard as "square.

They have pretty perverse ear-drums, the primitives.  They never hear anything correctly.

[franksolich]

Of course, the facts are that any person who has accepted salvation through Christ will go to heaven, despite the services they may attend on this earth.

That's very true, and I've seen the primitives do their best to spread that lie.

In the Roman Catholic Church--and it's always been this way, at least in the 18th, 19th, 20th, and current centuries--to deny that someone can be "saved" other than though the Roman Catholic Church is an excommunicable offense.

Rose Kennedy's favorite priest was excommunicated back in the late 1940s for saying that.

[notaDUmmie]

I think she's upset that with the new year, she has been dethroned from the Top DUmmie position.

She should have tried harder in 2011, and this wouldn't have been an issue.

[formerlurker]

It's a sin to take communion in a non-Catholic church, it is not a sin to participate in a non-Catholic ceremony.   

Anne is using Nadin's litmus test in declaring herself an expert -- she is related to a Catholic, so she therefore is all knowing in the ways of being Catholic. 

As for general rules:
Catholics may attend all presumptively-valid marriages of Catholics, non-Catholics, and non-Christians.
For Catholics marrying other Catholics or marrying a non-Catholic Christian or non-Christian, a wedding is presumptively valid if it is done in accordance with Catholic marital law. Catholics marrying non-Catholic Christians or non-Christians need a dispensation from cult to marry the non-Catholic party and a dispensation from form if they are marrying in a non-Catholic ritual.
For non-Catholics and non-Christians who are marrying other non-Catholics or non-Christians, a wedding can be considered presumptively valid if there are no known impediments to the marriage. The most common impediments that outsiders are likely to know about would be previous marriage, close blood relationship, or same-sex partners. If none of these impediments are known to exist, a prospective guest may presume that the wedding will be valid.
The Church does not explicitly forbid Catholics from attending presumptively-invalid marriages. Catholics must use their own prudential judgment in making the decision, keeping in mind the need to uphold the Catholic understanding of the sanctity of marriage. One rule of thumb that may be helpful in making such decisions might be to ask yourself if you believe the couple is doing the best that they can to act honorably and according to the truth that they have. So, for example, you might decide to attend the presumptively-invalid wedding of a couple who is expecting a child; but decline to attend the presumptively-invalid wedding of a couple who have engaged in adultery and destroyed previous marriages and families.
While there may be just reason to attend a particular wedding that will be presumptively-invalid, I cannot recommend participating as a member of the wedding party in such weddings. There is a difference between attending as a non-participating observer and actively involving yourself in the wedding as an honor attendant.
If you are not attending the wedding as a matter of principle, then I cannot recommend attending a reception or giving a gift to honor an occasion that you believe in conscience that you cannot celebrate. I do recommend though writing the couple a letter in which you express your love and that you will pray for them. (If prudence suggests it, it is fine to withhold from them what you will be praying to God that they obtain, such as the grace of repentance and conversion.)
In the case of same-sex partners, the Church has spoken so strongly against "same-sex marriage" that I cannot recommend attending or celebrating "same-sex weddings" under any circumstances.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=167154

[Ballygrl]

Sam Brownback, Catholic, has a daughter who had a non-Catholic wedding today
Yes, this is a big deal because Sam and his crew pretend they are the morality police in Kansas. And in the Catholic church, it is a sin to attend a wedding in a non-Catholic church. It's a sin to ever attend a service or any event in a non-Catholic church. Weddings, funerals, baptisms, whatever. I have family members who married in non-Catholic ceremonies and about half my family didn't attend their weddings because they wouldn't sin and go into a non-Catholic church.

Umm, I've only been a Catholic since birth SO I THINK I HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE ON WHAT THIS FOOL STATED!

It's not a sin to attend a wedding in a non-Catholic Church, and in fact in mixed marriages Priests have been co-officiants with Ministers, Rabbi's etc. so you were proven wrong there.

The same thing with Funerals, Baptisms etc.

The only thing I wasn't allowed to do was this, my Cousin is and was a lapsed Catholic, she had her son baptized in a Unitarian Church, she asked me to be the Godmother, I said sure, for some reason though I decided to ask the Priest, and he said I couldn't because I'm Catholic and the baby would be raised in a different Religion, so I had to politely decline.

[franksolich]

I think she's upset that with the new year, she has been dethroned from the Top DUmmie position.

She should have tried harder in 2011, and this wouldn't have been an issue.

Remember the hate-filled nature of the Die alte Sau.

She was probably told the facts, but as she wanted to find reasons to hate a religion that sustained and nourished her forebears, she "interpreted" them in a way so as to do that, find an excuse to hate.

Primitives are always trying to find excuses to hate.

The defrocked warped primitive, she with the face like Hindenburg's, is the same way.

[Ballygrl]

4. If his daughter is a catholic,

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and marries in a non-catholic church without a priest, she is not married at all according to the catholic church. She is living in sin.

Yes, that's true, but it does nothing to prove the outrageous false assertions by the OP!

[formerlurker]

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 10:21 AM

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41. holy shit...

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you posted THIS and you still think a layman sinned in his attendance at a non-Catholic wedding??? what the ****? are you just trying to stir up shit or do you really not understand?

I think both.

[formerlurker]

I think she's upset that with the new year, she has been dethroned from the Top DUmmie position.

She should have tried harder in 2011, and this wouldn't have been an issue.

I have to agree with you here.  She is very bitter lately in many posts.

[Ballygrl]

6. It most certainly is a sin.

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My uncle was a priest. My cousin is a nun. We have had lengthy discussions about this very issue many many times in my family. Also when I was still Catholic, the pastor of my church told me I couldn't attend the wedding of a good friend because it was in a non-Catholic church. He said if I went to that wedding, I better not come sit in HIS confessional a week later and ask for my sin to be forgiven.

It's a sin to take communion in a non-Catholic church, it is not a sin to participate in a non-Catholic ceremony.   

Anne is using Nadin's litmus test in declaring herself an expert -- she is related to a Catholic, so she therefore is all knowing in the ways of being Catholic. 

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=167154

Exactly! I've gone to other Religious ceremonies such as Lutheran and I didn't go to Communion, and actually a co-worker who is Lutheran and was talking to a Catholic Priest, she told him she went to Communion in a Catholic Church and his response? "don't worry about it"!

[docstew]

Is attending a non-Catholic service a mortal sin. If not, Brownback can just go to confession, do his penance, and be as pure as the driven snow in the eyes of the church again. Fail, Anne. Just fail.

[vesta111]

Had this big Hoo-HA about 8-10 years ago when one of the Kennedy boys married for 20 years with 3-4 kids decided to divorce his wife and marry some woman who was also Catholic.

This new woman insisted on a full blown out Catholic wedding.

What a mess, first the Kennedy man had to get a divorce, he did, then to appease the new woman get his marriage annuled by the Church.

His EX-wife objected as that would make his children bastards by church law and placed in some very strange positions within the church. Bastards were not allowed to take communion for one thing.

 Don't ask me, this was part of her complaint, never heard of this before but it may have been a very old rite of the church not followed today.

We in New England watched this battle closely, we even put down wagers on who would win this fight.

Who would the Church side with a woman who was married all these years and had born 3-4 children to this Kennedy man, or bow to the Kennedy money.

The ex-wife appealed to the Vatican for help, this was a home grown soap opera for us.  How can one annule a marriage that was sancified by the church and children born from that marriage??? 

Lots of arguments insued in the following months about this by the Catholic community.  One cannot imagine the family talk about the table of mother and children at that time.

Up shot, the Kennedy got his allument, married his new wife in pomp and splender,   marriage lasted just a few years, new wife took the high road and a bundle of money with her.

Just one of the interesting things the Kennedys had going on in their lives.

[shadeaux]

My uncle was a priest. My cousin is a nun. We have had lengthy discussions about this very issue many many times in my family. Also when I was still Catholic, the pastor of my church told me I couldn't attend the wedding of a good friend because it was in a non-Catholic church. He said if I went to that wedding, I better not come sit in HIS confessional a week later and ask for my sin to be forgiven.

STOP LYING you ugly witch.

I've been Catholic my whole life, had a cousin that was a priest, my brother I call The Pope, I know this stuff.

NO Catholic refers to her parish priest as Pastor.  It is not a sin to go to other churches.  Good Lord woman, get a hobby.  You're making an ass of yourself.

[DefiantSix]

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 08:51 PM

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Sam Brownback, Catholic, has a daughter who had a non-Catholic wedding today
Yes, this is a big deal because Sam and his crew pretend they are the morality police in Kansas. And in the Catholic church, it is a sin to attend a wedding in a non-Catholic church. It's a sin to ever attend a service or any event in a non-Catholic church. Weddings, funerals, baptisms, whatever. I have family members who married in non-Catholic ceremonies and about half my family didn't attend their weddings because they wouldn't sin and go into a non-Catholic church.

And Sam belongs to a very conservative Catholic sect that still says the Mass in Latin. They also believe in segregating boys and girls.

So abortion is a sin but he gets to ignore the other rules of the church that he doesn't like.

Soooo.... if a Catholic attending services in another church is a sin, I wonder how it stacks up to taking the Catholic communion (as a supposed "faithful catholic") and then espousing - and even advancing legislation - that directly contradicts Catholic doctrine  like, oh Nancy Pelosi, ya DUmbshit??

And while we're on the subject of "devout" politicians and their hypocrisy, I wonder what layer of Hell has been reserved for the MORMON Harry Reid, DUmbass??

The only religions I know that condemn a soul to hell - and then giddily expedite the appointment - for even the slightest failings of adherents to their doctrines, are Moose-limbs and Moonbats.  All the rest of us have this little thing called the Atonement, Repentance, and FORGIVENESS, asshole.

[Chris_]

And in the Catholic church, it is a sin to attend a wedding in a non-Catholic church. It's a sin to ever attend a service or any event in a non-Catholic church.

This has got to be the stupidest example of 'gotcha' politics the DUmp has proposed all year.

For their sake, I hope her students don't leave her classroom this dumb after having encountered her.

[DefiantSix]

This has got to be the stupidest example of 'gotcha' politics the DUmp has proposed all year.

For their sake, I hope her students don't leave her classroom this dumb after having encountered her.

I'm willing to bet that even the bottom of the Bell curve in her class leaves the room muttering "WHAT.THE.****" at least once a week.

[JohnnyReb]

Soooo.... if a Catholic attending services in another church is a sin, I wonder how it stacks up to taking the Catholic communion (as a supposed "faithful catholic") and then espousing - and even advancing legislation - that directly contradicts Catholic doctrine  like, oh Nancy Pelosi, ya DUmbshit??

And while we're on the subject of "devout" politicians and their hypocrisy, I wonder what layer of Hell has been reserved for the MORMON Harry Reid, DUmbass??

The only religions I know that condemn a soul to hell - and then giddily expedite the appointment - for even the slightest failings of adherents to their doctrines, are Moose-limbs and Moonbats.  All the rest of us have this little thing called the Atonement, Repentance, and FORGIVENESS, asshole.

Amen!

[Tucker]

This has got to be the stupidest example of 'gotcha' politics the DUmp has proposed all year.

For their sake, I hope her students don't leave her classroom this dumb after having encountered her.

To be fair, it's only Jan. 1st.

[Ogre]

I'm willing to bet that even the bottom of the Bell curve in her class leaves the room muttering "WHAT.THE.****" at least once a week.

H5

She has to be the DUmbest teacher ever.  I showed my wife (who is also an elementary school teacher) some of Anne's posts, and she is amazed that Anne is still employed as a teacher.