When will we ever get serious about saying NO to fossil fuels?

[Carl]

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Hugabear (7,649 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

 
When will we ever get serious about saying NO to fossil fuels?
 Fossil fuels are killing the planet - this has been well documented numerous times. For crying out loud, we're actually managing to raise the temperature of the planet with our non-stop emissions. We're basically terraforming the planet, but not to our advantage. Not only that, but we're poisoning the air, water, and land.

There is no such thing as clean fossil fuels. The corporate industrialists are spending millions of dollars on propaganda to try and push their "clean" fuel sources - such as "clean" coal, "clean" natural gas - but it's all a *******ed lie. What they don't tell people are the studies that show that their actions will actually make things worse, not better.

We have the technology to transfer over to renewable energy sources. But it won't happen as long as we're kowtowing to the corporate fossil fuel industry, allowing them to expand their drilling operations, construct environment-killing pipelines, etc.

What we need is a fossil fuel BAN. This couldn't happen overnight, but if you set a target of, say, 2025, that would give us 15 years to transition over.

It may already be too late, but if we don't make serious and immediate changes, we won't stand a chance.

 

God you are an idiot.

Hugabear
17. By "we", I mean a collective "we" - as in the United States and the world

It's all well and good that many of us make an effort to be as environmentally conscious as possible. But until the United States and the rest of the world shifts away from fossil fuels, it's a bit like putting a band-aid on a gaping head wound.

Call China and tell them please.

Javaman (35,049 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
2. When the powers that be find another resource to control us with. nt

 

Gregorian (17,671 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
4. When we decrease the population.

Population is what is killing the planet. We haven't been able to live in these numbers without fossil fuel. Now, even if we do completely eliminate our need for combustive energy generation, we still have enough waste and consumption that the planet cannot sustain us all.

100 years ago we were living off of the land.

This shouldn't be a controversial subject. It should be an understood fact. Only then can we finally begin to address ways to stabilize the mess we've made.

The bottom line is, if it's not in natural equilibrium it can't be sustained forever.

Since 1992 we have created 1 billion new humans. That translates to 1000 cities of 1 million people each. Think about what they need. Shoes, cars, housing, medical and all of the waste it produces, food, heating...

I say DUmmies should take the lead in this one.

kwolf68 (5,366 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
15. This is the cold hard facts


Overpopulation IS the crux of the problem. So few want to admit it.

No species can populate perpetually. Not even humans. The cull will be had at some point rest assured.

Well,leftists tyrannies often start with the useless and annoying so you DUmmies will take the lead if you get the country you want.

99Forever (37 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
6. I share you frustration...

... and worry that we've already crossed the tipping point. It's as though we prefer a slow painful suicide of our one and only Planet to making even a real attempt to mitigate the damage we are doing.

Go back and crap in the street some more.

raouldukelives (957 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail
20. Not before it's too late

Which it may already be. People, even many who know and are aware of the dangers, still choose to fly in airliners, invest in Wall St, drive suv's etc. They just don't give a shit about the planet or the lives of people in the future. At least, not enough to offer up a little personal sacrifice for them now.

Post on a computer that takes electricity...

Effing little dictator wannabees. 

[Freeper]

I love the laundry list of sacrifices that the rest of us need to make for the planet, yet not one dumpmonkey is willing to give up anything for the cause.

[franksolich]

I love the laundry list of sacrifices that the rest of us need to make for the planet, yet not one dumpmonkey is willing to give up anything for the cause.

Of course; that's the way it is.

"Other people" sacrifice, go without, while the primitives carry on as they always have.

[Freeper]

Of course; that's the way it is.

"Other people" sacrifice, go without, while the primitives carry on as they always have.

Exactly, like with taxes we can sure survive if the government takes more from us, we won't even miss it, yet a $5 a month fee to use a debit card is the end of their little worlds. 

[Bodadh]

Oooh, so Mother Nature needs a favor?! Well maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she’s losing. Well I say, hard cheese.
 
– Mr. Burns.


I might have to make that a sig line.

[JohnnyReb]

So DUmmies want to live in caves and use cow chips for fuel now....oh wait a minute...burning cow chips will give off more CO2....nevermind.

[LC EFA]

Hugabear (7,649 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail

 
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We have the technology to transfer over to renewable energy sources. But it won't happen as long as we're kowtowing to the corporate fossil fuel industry, allowing them to expand their drilling operations, construct environment-killing pipelines, etc.

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In what skittle shittin' rainbow barfing pony universe is that statement true ?

Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true.

[Airwolf]

Even if this country or the world stopped using oil for gasoline or diesel fuel it would only be a small percentage of the total amount that makes up our consumption. I highly doubt that anyone else wants to give up thier medicines or the big screen tv or the other products made with oil.

[diesel driver]

In what skittle shittin' rainbow barfing pony universe is that statement true ?

Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true.

Amen to that!  Just like:

Hugabear (7,649 posts)
When will we ever get serious about saying NO to fossil fuels?
Fossil fuels are killing the planet - this has been well documented numerous times.

Where?  Globull warming has already been proven to be a LIE.

For crying out loud, we're actually managing to raise the temperature of the planet with our non-stop emissions.

Wouldn't raising the temperature actually result in less fuel being consumed, and more agricultural output?  Both of those are GOOD things in my book.

We're basically terraforming the planet, but not to our advantage. Not only that, but we're poisoning the air, water, and land.

I bet you could name tens of places where that is true, right?

[LC EFA]

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.Wouldn't raising the temperature actually result in less fuel being consumed, and more agricultural output?  Both of those are GOOD things in my book

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More favourable temperatures for plants + more plant fuel = More profit for corporate farms !!oneelventy11!

Over my filthy patchouli soaked carcass you damn bushbot !

[/du]

[GOBUCKS]

DUmpmonkeys actually believe all that algore horse shit.

[thundley4]

We would all be better off burning wood for heat and whale oil for lamps.  Screw burning coal, oil and gas just to produce electricity.

[GOBUCKS]

They used to have stations in Antarctica where they rendered down penguin carcasses for oil. That's not a fossil fuel, and they've got millions of the little bastards down there. Problem solved, until we hit peak penguin.

[diesel driver]

More favourable temperatures for plants + more plant fuel = More profit for corporate farms !!oneelventy11!

Over my filthy patchouli soaked carcass you damn bushbot !

[/du]

Thank you!   

[DumbAss Tanker]

It's a self-fixing problem, DUmmies.  If they are actually 'Fossil fuels,' they will all be used at some point...no matter how slowly, they will ALL be used, ultimately, so what you are really upset about is just the rate of usage, not the usage itself (If only you were smart enough to understand the difference, but that's a forlorn hope...).  The net effect is therefore THE SAME with or without your stupid, wasteful dithering with false alternatives.

Economically, it makes a Hell of a lot more sense to use the fossil fuels until there is an alternative available that can be had at a comparable price per unit of energy delivered (Counting in all the subsidies, tax discounts, production costs etc. into the comparison for both).  Until that happens, moving away from fossil fuels is like entering our economy in a swimming race with India's and China's but making it wear anchor chains and swallow a bunch of downers first.  Yeah, there's nothing wrong with funding the science to explore alternative tech, it just doesn't make a lick of sense to force implementation until fossil fuel costs rise to comparability due to decreasing supply.

And on the overpopulation thing - you first, bitches.

[Wineslob]

Of course; that's the way it is.

"Other people" sacrifice, go without, while the primitives carry on as they always have.

Just like "the rich", or any other "boogey man" they can come up with.

[JohnnyReb]

Of course; that's the way it is.

"Other people" sacrifice, go without, while the primitives WE carry on OUR BACKS as they WE always have.

Fixxed it up a bit for you Frank.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I love the laundry list of sacrifices that the rest of us need to make for the planet, yet not one dumpmonkey is willing to give up anything for the cause.

Why should liberals have to sacrifice?

They're perfect just as they are.

[VelvetElvis]

So DUmmies want to live in caves and use cow chips for fuel now....oh wait a minute...burning cow chips will give off more CO2....nevermind.

If you burn all the cow chips, what will the DUmpmonkeys use for brains?

[vesta111]

We use fossil fuels, have since man found fire.

What do we the people of this planet do  until the Experts find a better way to heat our homes and allow us to use hair dryers???

Iceland uses thermal power as it is handy.   As we know this can be dangerous but for generations people had no problem with it.

For generations people used coal and peat, problems there in city's with air pollution.  Got so bad in London few days saw the sun. Chicago and New York even Boston at times were covered with smog from fossil fuel going into the air.

Now on to modern day,    Check out the city's in other country's, close to home  California, even here in the north east we have warnings of air pollution.

We try wind power that is not constant, but we because of the configuration of the east coast do not use the tidal power that is on time every day.   We knew back in the 1930's that tidal power would generate enough power to at that time give enough power to to those living on the Eastern sea board Maine to Florida  and inland for 200 miles for 20 cents a month.   Only thing that stopped this construction was WW2 when the engineers  and designers were needed for the war effort.

While those that complain about how we are to supply power to the country ignore or are are not encouraged to invest in a natural every day clock work of the most  powerfulfull and free power on earth, that is for future generations to argue over.

The bay of Fundy starts in our area, we watch as the power of the sea takes out miles of water to leave mud flats and right on the clock comes rushing in to cover the flats with water 30-40 foot deep.   Imagine the power every 6 hours that empty and refills our coast line and rivers.

Darn shame we do not harness this power that big huge moon is right over our heads and to ignore that power can be the down fall of mankind and answers to how to power civilizations.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

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14. when the last drop goes into the last gas tank....probably not a second before

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18. Under this ban, would I be able to drive a '57 Chevy?

My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law
And on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire
Where my white-haired uncle waits

Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me an old machine
For fifty odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream

I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
I fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime

Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge...

Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware

Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase

Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded at the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle at the fireside