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North Carolina Primary Question
« on: May 05, 2008, 09:58:08 AM »
The newspaper printed the sample ballot in Sunday's issue and here are my choices for Presidential Preference:

Mike Huckabee
Alan Keyes
John McCain
Ron Paul
No Preference

At this point, I'm either voting Alan Keyes, No Preference, or just skipping that whole section.  No, I won't do a write-in vote.  Operation Chaos is not in play; too many down ballot offices and issues to switch.

Given those three options, which one would you choose and why?

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2008, 10:07:39 AM »
The time for "sending a message" has past.  I will support John McCain with all I have to give.  It is not because I have even one ounce of admiration for John McCain.  It is because I have tons of despise for socialists/democrats.

My desire to see socialists/democrats/moonbats crushed far outweighs any principles I have where McCain is concerned.  I cannot do anything to stop McCain, so I may as well use him to support my most important passion. 

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2008, 10:22:48 AM »
The newspaper printed the sample ballot in Sunday's issue and here are my choices for Presidential Preference:

Mike Huckabee
Alan Keyes
John McCain
Ron Paul
No Preference

At this point, I'm either voting Alan Keyes, No Preference, or just skipping that whole section.  No, I won't do a write-in vote.  Operation Chaos is not in play; too many down ballot offices and issues to switch.

Given those three options, which one would you choose and why?

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great.  now we are going to get flooded with huckabots. :banghead: :censored:




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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2008, 10:58:36 AM »
The time for "sending a message" has past.  I will support John McCain with all I have to give.  It is not because I have even one ounce of admiration for John McCain.  It is because I have tons of despise for socialists/democrats.

My desire to see socialists/democrats/moonbats crushed far outweighs any principles I have where McCain is concerned.  I cannot do anything to stop McCain, so I may as well use him to support my most important passion. 

I understand what you're saying but McCain already has the nomination wrapped up.  This is the one time no one can argue that voting to "send a message" isn't something that would change the outcome.

If I vote for Keyes, they could just take that as a Keyes supporter, which given the field and if it were a close race, he's about the best of the lot.  If I vote No Preference, then that might send a signal that I don't really care, and that's not true.  I'm leaning towards leaving that whole area blank.

It'll be interesting to see the voting difference between the other Republican offices and who voted for president.  For instance, Elizabeth Dole is running against Pete Di Lauro for the Republican nomination for US Senate.  Dole will win, but the total number of votes they receive compared to the total number of votes in the "Presidental Preference" race might be significantly different.

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2008, 11:05:52 AM »
The time for "sending a message" has past.  I will support John McCain with all I have to give.  It is not because I have even one ounce of admiration for John McCain.  It is because I have tons of despise for socialists/democrats.

My desire to see socialists/democrats/moonbats crushed far outweighs any principles I have where McCain is concerned.  I cannot do anything to stop McCain, so I may as well use him to support my most important passion. 

I understand what you're saying but McCain already has the nomination wrapped up.  This is the one time no one can argue that voting to "send a message" isn't something that would change the outcome.

If I vote for Keyes, they could just take that as a Keyes supporter, which given the field and if it were a close race, he's about the best of the lot.  If I vote No Preference, then that might send a signal that I don't really care, and that's not true.  I'm leaning towards leaving that whole area blank.

It'll be interesting to see the voting difference between the other Republican offices and who voted for president.  For instance, Elizabeth Dole is running against Pete Di Lauro for the Republican nomination for US Senate.  Dole will win, but the total number of votes they receive compared to the total number of votes in the "Presidental Preference" race might be significantly different.

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At this point, I don't wish to see the press have any reason to exploit a sign of weakness for the McCain campaign.  That's part of what I wanted to say above.  If the republicans cannot present solid support for the known candidate, it will be (and has been) used against McCain. 

Voting for Keyes now will do nothing for Keyes.  Skipping all choices will do nothing for anyone.  It is time to grab reality and show unity whether you are united or not.  The goal is to crush the democrats.  Every little step helps.   

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 04:43:54 PM »
The time for "sending a message" has past.  I will support John McCain with all I have to give.  It is not because I have even one ounce of admiration for John McCain.  It is because I have tons of despise for socialists/democrats.

My desire to see socialists/democrats/moonbats crushed far outweighs any principles I have where McCain is concerned.  I cannot do anything to stop McCain, so I may as well use him to support my most important passion. 

I understand what you're saying but McCain already has the nomination wrapped up.  This is the one time no one can argue that voting to "send a message" isn't something that would change the outcome.

If I vote for Keyes, they could just take that as a Keyes supporter, which given the field and if it were a close race, he's about the best of the lot.  If I vote No Preference, then that might send a signal that I don't really care, and that's not true.  I'm leaning towards leaving that whole area blank.

It'll be interesting to see the voting difference between the other Republican offices and who voted for president.  For instance, Elizabeth Dole is running against Pete Di Lauro for the Republican nomination for US Senate.  Dole will win, but the total number of votes they receive compared to the total number of votes in the "Presidental Preference" race might be significantly different.

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that would be an interesting vote to count - how many people refuse to declare their candidate, or just vote 'other' ...? the down ticket candidates are not as affected and that may be a huge part of the population voting this way. how would we know?

but i have one question and one comment for ya..

do you really like Alan Keyes? Cause he comes across as somewhat hysterical and holier than though at times. I did see him at the 92 GOP Convention in Dallas and I did like him then; since then, he just seems like a cartoon who isnt really all that interested in being president.. he never shows up to debate anyone, doesnt put out ads or even make his voice heard. and when he does go out there and speak, he sounds kind of crazy. i'm curious to know, cause we agree on a lot.. so, that's a sincere question.

and my comment is; i thought voting for Nader would send a message as well, but it was absolutely the wrong person to vote for - he keeps coming back and just wasting people's time and money. his ideas were timely in the 60s and 70s; he definitely brought some safety issues to the fore and he walks the walk, or he used to (I really have no idea about his lifestyle now) but he threatens to split the party in almost every presidential race and it wouldnt even be that he needed many votes. if he gets 1 percent, that could throw the whole thing to the Dems.. cause we now know, this country is divided right down the middle. our elections are very tight. so give it some thought..

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 04:47:48 PM »
The time for "sending a message" has past.  I will support John McCain with all I have to give.  It is not because I have even one ounce of admiration for John McCain.  It is because I have tons of despise for socialists/democrats.

My desire to see socialists/democrats/moonbats crushed far outweighs any principles I have where McCain is concerned.  I cannot do anything to stop McCain, so I may as well use him to support my most important passion. 

I understand what you're saying but McCain already has the nomination wrapped up.  This is the one time no one can argue that voting to "send a message" isn't something that would change the outcome.

If I vote for Keyes, they could just take that as a Keyes supporter, which given the field and if it were a close race, he's about the best of the lot.  If I vote No Preference, then that might send a signal that I don't really care, and that's not true.  I'm leaning towards leaving that whole area blank.

It'll be interesting to see the voting difference between the other Republican offices and who voted for president.  For instance, Elizabeth Dole is running against Pete Di Lauro for the Republican nomination for US Senate.  Dole will win, but the total number of votes they receive compared to the total number of votes in the "Presidental Preference" race might be significantly different.

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At this point, I don't wish to see the press have any reason to exploit a sign of weakness for the McCain campaign.  That's part of what I wanted to say above.  If the republicans cannot present solid support for the known candidate, it will be (and has been) used against McCain. 

Voting for Keyes now will do nothing for Keyes.  Skipping all choices will do nothing for anyone.  It is time to grab reality and show unity whether you are united or not.  The goal is to crush the democrats.  Every little step helps.   

couldnt agree more. and can you imagine what this country would be like if McCain won the vote in a landslide? his numbers against Obama are just phenominal; its a cakewalk for McCain.

it might finally end all this 'stolen election' and 'we're so divided' talk once and for all. i dont think it would be like the Reagan era all over again, but we are poised for good times ahead. it would be nice if the Dems decided to join in for a change.

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2008, 05:02:55 PM »
The time for "sending a message" has past.  I will support John McCain with all I have to give.  It is not because I have even one ounce of admiration for John McCain.  It is because I have tons of despise for socialists/democrats.

My desire to see socialists/democrats/moonbats crushed far outweighs any principles I have where McCain is concerned.  I cannot do anything to stop McCain, so I may as well use him to support my most important passion. 

I understand what you're saying but McCain already has the nomination wrapped up.  This is the one time no one can argue that voting to "send a message" isn't something that would change the outcome.

If I vote for Keyes, they could just take that as a Keyes supporter, which given the field and if it were a close race, he's about the best of the lot.  If I vote No Preference, then that might send a signal that I don't really care, and that's not true.  I'm leaning towards leaving that whole area blank.

It'll be interesting to see the voting difference between the other Republican offices and who voted for president.  For instance, Elizabeth Dole is running against Pete Di Lauro for the Republican nomination for US Senate.  Dole will win, but the total number of votes they receive compared to the total number of votes in the "Presidental Preference" race might be significantly different.

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that would be an interesting vote to count - how many people refuse to declare their candidate, or just vote 'other' ...? the down ticket candidates are not as affected and that may be a huge part of the population voting this way. how would we know?

but i have one question and one comment for ya..

do you really like Alan Keyes? Cause he comes across as somewhat hysterical and holier than though at times. I did see him at the 92 GOP Convention in Dallas and I did like him then; since then, he just seems like a cartoon who isnt really all that interested in being president.. he never shows up to debate anyone, doesnt put out ads or even make his voice heard. and when he does go out there and speak, he sounds kind of crazy. i'm curious to know, cause we agree on a lot.. so, that's a sincere question.

and my comment is; i thought voting for Nader would send a message as well, but it was absolutely the wrong person to vote for - he keeps coming back and just wasting people's time and money. his ideas were timely in the 60s and 70s; he definitely brought some safety issues to the fore and he walks the walk, or he used to (I really have no idea about his lifestyle now) but he threatens to split the party in almost every presidential race and it wouldnt even be that he needed many votes. if he gets 1 percent, that could throw the whole thing to the Dems.. cause we now know, this country is divided right down the middle. our elections are very tight. so give it some thought..


I voted for Keyes in 1992.  Since then, he has turned out to be a disappointment.  That is a shame. 

I still get a Christmas card from the Keyes in election years. :)

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2008, 05:17:48 PM »
i love the Bush's Christmas cards... i even framed one of them :-)

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 07:50:36 AM »
but i have one question and one comment for ya..

do you really like Alan Keyes? Cause he comes across as somewhat hysterical and holier than though at times. I did see him at the 92 GOP Convention in Dallas and I did like him then; since then, he just seems like a cartoon who isnt really all that interested in being president.. he never shows up to debate anyone, doesnt put out ads or even make his voice heard. and when he does go out there and speak, he sounds kind of crazy. i'm curious to know, cause we agree on a lot.. so, that's a sincere question.

I've liked a lot of what Keyes has said in the past, he seems to be right down the line on many issues that are important to me, but I really haven't kept up with him in several years.

It was just out of the ones in which to choose, his name stuck out since McCain, Huckabee, and Paul are 3 I dislike.  But I didn't vote for any presidental candidate in the primary.

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 11:59:21 AM »
but i have one question and one comment for ya..

do you really like Alan Keyes? Cause he comes across as somewhat hysterical and holier than though at times. I did see him at the 92 GOP Convention in Dallas and I did like him then; since then, he just seems like a cartoon who isnt really all that interested in being president.. he never shows up to debate anyone, doesnt put out ads or even make his voice heard. and when he does go out there and speak, he sounds kind of crazy. i'm curious to know, cause we agree on a lot.. so, that's a sincere question.

I've liked a lot of what Keyes has said in the past, he seems to be right down the line on many issues that are important to me, but I really haven't kept up with him in several years.

It was just out of the ones in which to choose, his name stuck out since McCain, Huckabee, and Paul are 3 I dislike.  But I didn't vote for any presidental candidate in the primary.

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i voted for McCain here cause we had virtually nobody on our ballot in Seattle. We might have had Fred Thompson, but by then he had dropped out. So, I knew it was just throwing my vote away.

But take a new look at McCain... he is kicking Obama's ass lately, but the press isnt showing it.

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2008, 12:04:31 PM »
i voted for McCain here cause we had virtually nobody on our ballot in Seattle. We might have had Fred Thompson, but by then he had dropped out. So, I knew it was just throwing my vote away.

But take a new look at McCain... he is kicking Obama's ass lately, but the press isnt showing it.

On this date, Friday, May 9, 2008 about the only way I'll vote for McCain is if I quit listening to anything he has to say, because it seems everytime I hear him give his positions (last time was yesterday on O'Reilly Factor) he makes me sick.

Come November, maybe things will be better.

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2008, 12:42:27 PM »
I voted for Keyes in 1992. 

As did I......his conservativism is unquestionable......he does tend to come across as an elitist at times.....

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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2008, 12:45:09 PM »
I voted for Keyes in 1992. 

As did I......his conservativism is unquestionable......he does tend to come across as an elitist at times.....

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he also tends to come across as a complete lunatic* sometimes. :-)

*mannerisms and excitement level only, not what he is saying

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2008, 12:18:19 AM »
i voted for McCain here cause we had virtually nobody on our ballot in Seattle. We might have had Fred Thompson, but by then he had dropped out. So, I knew it was just throwing my vote away.

But take a new look at McCain... he is kicking Obama's ass lately, but the press isnt showing it.

On this date, Friday, May 9, 2008 about the only way I'll vote for McCain is if I quit listening to anything he has to say, because it seems everytime I hear him give his positions (last time was yesterday on O'Reilly Factor) he makes me sick.

Come November, maybe things will be better.

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yeah, ive said before... he doesnt bowl me over with some of his plans, but he doesnt have a socialist/communist past as the other two do.

and he doesnt appear to surround himself with idiots. that's gotta count for something...

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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2008, 12:24:24 AM »
i voted for McCain here cause we had virtually nobody on our ballot in Seattle. We might have had Fred Thompson, but by then he had dropped out. So, I knew it was just throwing my vote away.

But take a new look at McCain... he is kicking Obama's ass lately, but the press isnt showing it.

On this date, Friday, May 9, 2008 about the only way I'll vote for McCain is if I quit listening to anything he has to say, because it seems everytime I hear him give his positions (last time was yesterday on O'Reilly Factor) he makes me sick.

Come November, maybe things will be better.

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yeah, ive said before... he doesnt bowl me over with some of his plans, but he doesnt have a socialist/communist past as the other two do.

and he doesnt appear to surround himself with idiots. that's gotta count for something...

that has got to count for something in november.


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Re: North Carolina Primary Question
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2008, 10:44:54 AM »
i voted for McCain here cause we had virtually nobody on our ballot in Seattle. We might have had Fred Thompson, but by then he had dropped out. So, I knew it was just throwing my vote away.

But take a new look at McCain... he is kicking Obama's ass lately, but the press isnt showing it.

On this date, Friday, May 9, 2008 about the only way I'll vote for McCain is if I quit listening to anything he has to say, because it seems everytime I hear him give his positions (last time was yesterday on O'Reilly Factor) he makes me sick.

Come November, maybe things will be better.

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I really feel the same way sometimes (saw him recently do an interview as well, and his justification of his Kennedy-written amesty bill sickened me  :banghead:).  But then I take a look a the likely alternative, Obama!
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