Animals out in the heat. How hot is too hot? I live in Arizona.

[Miss Mia]

goldcanyonaz  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Sun May-04-08 07:36 PM
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Animals out in the heat. How hot is too hot? I live in Arizona.
   
Edited on Sun May-04-08 07:40 PM by goldcanyonaz
I live in Arizona and the neighbors have a crate outside for their dogs. Today was only 80, which is cool compared to those who live in the Mid West, perhaps 70 is easier to comprehend. I am thinking once it hits 90 here, that I should call animal control. My husband tells me to mind my own business to which I told him **** YOU!! What is you opinion? Not your opinion as to kick my husband in the nuts, cuz I already did that.

Vincardog  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Sun May-04-08 07:38 PM
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2. As long as the the dog has clean water and shade mind your own business.

goldcanyonaz  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Sun May-04-08 07:40 PM
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6. In Arizona? it gets to be 120 here.

Vincardog  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun May-04-08 07:52 PM
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28. Is this animal locked in a crate without water in the sun all day?

goldcanyonaz  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun May-04-08 07:55 PM
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33. This is ARIzONA. 120 is our norm in the summer.

Vincardog  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun May-04-08 07:57 PM
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35. What does "neighbors have a crate outside for their dogs." mean? Are they locked in or not?
   
Having a create does not mean the same thing as locking a dog in a crate
with no water in full sun.

goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun May-04-08 08:01 PM
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41. Oh stop,. They are locked outside, and I WILL call the cops if they are out there in a month.

 

Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun May-04-08 08:03 PM
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45. If they were running loose the cops would come. Why won't you answer simple questions?

Okay and on and on it goes, it turns out it's an 8x8 foot "crate."  And she refuses to even talk to her neighbors:

Thor_MN  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun May-04-08 08:03 PM
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47. Have you considered talking to your neighbors?
   
Then you won't have to worry for months about something that might not take place, that you can't control.

goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun May-04-08 08:06 PM
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52. That never works. Neighbors normally hate intervention unless by the police.

Then someone who lives near the OP pipes in

Tansy_Gold  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun May-04-08 11:28 PM
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63. Not sure where in Gold Canyon you are, but I have a lot of friends there --
   
some in MountainBrook, some in Peralta Trails. Some down at the end of Kings Ranch Road, some just off on Don Donnelly. Some in Montesa.

Some of them have dogs, and I can assure you that ANY of them would be gratified to know that someone was concerned about their animals.

My neighbor has two black labs that are outside 24/7, never come in the house. They have plenty of room -- about 3/4 acre, not a small "crate" -- but they do quite well through the summer, as do the horses and chickens they share the space with.

You might try talking to your neighbors about something other than the dogs. Get to know them first, THEN comment on the dogs. There are ways of doing it without coming across like a vigilante.


Tansy Gold, who generally likes dogs better than people

goldcanyonaz  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon May-05-08 12:00 AM
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65. I will call animal control on them, and they will come and take the dogs.

Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon May-05-08 12:02 AM
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66. No, animal control will NOT come and take the dogs, unless
   
there is evidence of abuse.

What you've said so far is insufficient evidence. If the dogs have shade, water, and are not abused, animal control will do NOTHING.


Tansy Gold

goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon May-05-08 12:06 AM
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68. BS, here where I live Animal Control will come and take them. this is Arizona and they will come.
   
blah blah blah abused blah blah blah. I will take those ****ing dogs outta there cages if I have to.

Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon May-05-08 12:24 AM
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71. You're getting irrational.
   
Yes, I know "this" is Arizona. Have you not read what I've written? I live here, too, and I know how animal control works here. If you don't have evidence of abuse, nothing will happen. And if you attempt to take the dogs yourself, you'll be liable for prosecution for theft.

You haven't answered any of the pertinent questions asked of you. I've told you that I live here, too, probably not more than a few miles from you. I've lived in Arizona for almost 25 years, and I've had dogs all the time I've lived here.

I've also been on DU long enough to know that it's bad form to accuse other posters of telling untruths, but in the absence of answers from you regarding the details of this "case," I have come to the conclusion that you either don't know what you're talking about or you're making things up. I offered specific remedies including the names of real individuals and organizations you can contact to find out if the dogs in question are being mistreated, and you prefer to scream "I'M CALLING ANIMAL CONTROL!" That's not the rational behavior of a concerned individual; it's the irrational ranting of a child.

Therefore, I'm outta here. I tried to help, and I got abuse from the person I tried to help, and I don't stick around for very much of that.

If anyone else wants to verify the information I've given, you can reach Marta Saint-James at www.goldcanyondog.org . Companion Pet Clinic is at 5331 S Superstition Mtn Dr (Basha's center) #102, Gold Canyon, AZ 85218 (480) 671-1403. I can't vouch for what cards or posters may be on the bulletin board at Gecko Espresso on any given day, but there are a lot of animal-welfare groups in the area and a lot of animal lovers at the Gecko. Including



Tansy Gold

Oops:  I forgot the link http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3244340

[Chris_]

[Miss Mia]

It cracks me up though.  Why not chat with your neighbors before you piss them off by calling animal control?  Oh no, that's unacceptable.  LOL

[Chris_]

Animal Control should obviously take a more proactive approach. 

I can't stand busybodies.

[Miss Mia]

She didn't like the way that other thread was going, so she started another one

goldcanyonaz  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)
Mon May-05-08 12:38 AM
Original message
Trying again.. 4x6 dog kennel outside w/2 dogs in it in Arizona. When do I call A.C.?

she links to the other thread   
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3244340

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3245504

[Chris_]

She must make a wonderful neighbor....

[Chris_]

CasualWatcher9 (238 posts)      Mon May-05-08 01:48 AM
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4. why do you need permission from people on the internet?

blarghahahaha!!!

[djones520]

That was a great read.  H5 for an awesome find.

[Miss Mia]

That was a great read.  H5 for an awesome find.

I can't imagine living next to someone like that.  Hey ask your neighbors, see what they say.  See if the dogs have shade, food, water, which many people asked her and she never replied.  Are they long haired or short haired?  For all she knows, when it gets above 100 the dogs stay inside. 

[djones520]

That was a great read.  H5 for an awesome find.

I can't imagine living next to someone like that.  Hey ask your neighbors, see what they say.  See if the dogs have shade, food, water, which many people asked her and she never replied.  Are they long haired or short haired?  For all she knows, when it gets above 100 the dogs stay inside. 

Yeah, she was completely and utterly irrational.    Says it all.

[Miss Mia]

That was a great read.  H5 for an awesome find.

I can't imagine living next to someone like that.  Hey ask your neighbors, see what they say.  See if the dogs have shade, food, water, which many people asked her and she never replied.  Are they long haired or short haired?  For all she knows, when it gets above 100 the dogs stay inside. 

Yeah, she was completely and utterly irrational.    Says it all.

That one poster is giving her good advice and she's like "no no no, I'm calling animal control!!!: 





Indeed.

[Chris_]

It's okay for liberals to meddle in the personal lives of their neighbors, but if the government does it, they're "violating their civil rights".

That woman's an asshole.   

[Miss Mia]

 

CasualWatcher9  (239 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon May-05-08 12:48 AM
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4. why do you need permission from people on the internet?
   
if you want to call, call.

stop being such a ****ing drama queen...

goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon May-05-08 12:55 AM
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7. stop being such a ****. this op is bigger than that. It is about animals
   
and if it educates one person them I am happy.

CasualWatcher9 (239 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Mon May-05-08 01:08 AM
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13. ok, but this is the second thread you've started about this...
   
decide and do it.

to every person that responds "call" you are all "**** yeah, i'm going to call!"

to every person that responds "don't call" you are all "how can you be so cruel?"


call. don't call. whatever. just stop with this inane multiple-thread drama. how this crap could educate anyone is beyond me...

[Chris_]

I'm laughing here... this is too funny.

goldcanyonaz  (1000+ posts)      Mon May-05-08 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. You need a drink or some other release. Try counseling, cuz you are one meanie weenie.
 
DiverDave (1000+ posts)       Mon May-05-08 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. How about you just shut your ****ing trap?

I guess someone cant ask for advice, in your world.

Jeez, what an ass you are.

**** you, Dave. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. 

[Chris_]

eShirl  (1000+ posts)      Mon May-05-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. can you please answer whether they have shade and/or water?
 I really am curious.

 goldcanyonaz  (1000+ posts)      Mon May-05-08 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #17
22. I will put you down in my husbands column of I do not give a ****.

Can you imagine being married to this? 

[Miss Mia]

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Clovis Sangrail  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon May-05-08 01:17 AM
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25. at the first sign your neighbors are awake in the morning
   
you should march over there and demand they give you information.

1) Why do they have the dogs?
2) What do they feed the dogs?
3) Do they let the dogs sleep on their bed?
4) Do they ever give them doggy 'snacks'?

If they fail to provide acceptable answers call the police and lay down in front of their car to prevent them from leaving.

Be adamant.
It's for the benefit of the animals.

[Chris_]

goldcanyonaz  (1000+ posts)      Sun May-04-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. Where in TX do you live? DO I need to call animal control on your ass too? 

Oh.  My.  God.

This woman is nuts.

[Chris_]

HA HA HA HA! 

Clovis Sangrail (1000+ posts)      Sun May-04-08 08:59 PM
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38. you should check their garbage bins first
 do your best to find out what they're feeding them.

It might take rummaging through their bins a few times but it'll be worth it.
Even if you don't find out exactly what the dogs are being fed you should tell animal control (or the police) that you went through their garbage to try to find out.

That way they'll know how serious you are and will give your complaint the attention it deserves.

[Chris_]

This woman is deadly serious....

izquierdista (1000+ posts)       Sun May-04-08 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. Talk to the neighbors!
 

Arizona is not the midwest, don't ya know. 
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 goldcanyonaz  (1000+ posts)      Sun May-04-08 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. I do not understand. The laughing stuff.

[Chris_]

Scratch that... this woman has issues.  Problems, even. 

goldcanyonaz   (1000+ posts)      Mon May-05-08 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #64
65. I will call animal control on them, and they will come and take the dogs. 
 

Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts)       Mon May-05-08 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. No, animal control will NOT come and take the dogs, unless
 there is evidence of abuse.

What you've said so far is insufficient evidence. If the dogs have shade, water, and are not abused, animal control will do NOTHING.


 goldcanyonaz   (1000+ posts)      Mon May-05-08 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #66
68. BS, here where I live Animal Control will come and take them. this is Arizona and they will come.
 blah blah blah abused blah blah blah. I will take those ****ing dogs outta there cages if I have to. 


goldcanyonaz  (1000+ posts)      Mon May-05-08 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #71
72. You tried to help. How? by giving me OLD city code? I say **** the city code.
 I will get those dogs outta of those crates if I have to. **** CODE!!


 Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts)       Mon May-05-08 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #72
73. No, sweetheart, I gave you sources of INFORMATION

 I gave you NOTHING about any "city code," which would be meaningless since Gold Canyon isn't a city anyway and has no code. You're in unincorporated Pinal County; your law enforcement agency is the Pinal County Sheriff's Department, Chris Vasquez, Sheriff.

Tansy Gold, who lives on the other side of Silly Mountain and is pretty sure now how it got its name. . . . . .


goldcanyonaz   (1000+ posts)      Mon May-05-08 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #73
75. You are obviously a very good person, but there is no way that I can them suffer.
 I will be their voice if I have to be. They can not speak for themselves, so I WILL.

[djones520]

What would be hiliarous is if she tried to "rescue" them and they bit her.

[Miss Mia]

What would be hiliarous is if she tried to "rescue" them and they bit her.

LOL   

I'm just thankful she isn't one of my neighbors.

[Chris_]

"Freepers!  They're ALL Freepers!"  

I can see that woman having a major breakdown.  Seriously.

[Chris_]

 

seriousstan  (1000+ posts)       Mon May-05-08 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #25
32. bEST DAMN ANSWER i HAVE SEEN IN A LONG TIME. You left out...
 egging the house in order to distract them while the police get there.


 Clovis Sangrail (1000+ posts)      Mon May-05-08 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #32
35. damn... that sounds like a really good idea
 @goldcanyonaz:
When you march over there you should carry a dozen eggs with you.
That way you'll be ready to start an egg flury distraction should the laying in front of the car prove to be unworkable.

GOOD LUCK!

This is too much.  I'm about to choke on my crackers over here. 

[BlueStateSaint]

H5 for bringing that one over!