Their sudden affection for unborn children, like their newly discovered respect for veterans, is quite touching.
Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:02 PM
Original message
Seattle Occupy pepper sprayed pregnant woman miscarries
Edited on Mon Nov-21-11 09:26 PM by Bennyboy
One of Occupy Seattle's outspoken activists who blogs under the name Ian Awesome has a post up this afternoon about the pregnant woman who was hit in last Tuesday's pepper spray attack by Seattle police:
On the 20th, Jeniffer Fox received news that she has miscarried, and alleges the miscarriage is due to the injuries she received during the police action on the 15th.
"It hurts. It's upsetting. I was ready to have a kid, because my family was going to support me in taking care of the child. Her name was going to be Miracle."
UPDATE: Fox, 19, spoke to The Stranger at the Occupy Seattle encampment at Seattle Central Community College.
Fox was three months pregnant last Tuesday evening when she joined an Occupy Seattle march that stopped at the intersection of 5th Avenue and Pine Street. "I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in," she says. "I was screaming, 'I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'" At that point, Fox continues, a Seattle police officer lifted his foot and it hit her in the stomach, and another officer pushed his bicycle into the crowd, again hitting Fox in the stomach. "Right before I turned, both cops lifted their pepper spray and sprayed me. My eyes puffed up and my eyes swelled shut," she says.
Fox asked for medical attention—the now-famous photo by Josh Trujillo of her being carried to the ambulance is here—and was rushed to Harborview Medical Center, she says, where doctors performed an ultrasound and said that they "didn't see anything wrong with the baby at the time." Fox says she had also seen a physician at Harborview for prenatal care about five week before.
"Everything was going okay until yesterday, when I started getting sick, cramps started, and I felt like I was going to pass out," Fox says.
A friend called for an ambulance near the community college campus. (Fox says she has been camping with Occupy Seattle since it first began in Westlake Park. She is homeless and says, "I don't have a place. This is the place I call home.") When she arrived at Harborview at 11:00 a.m., she says, a doctor told her that "there was no heartbeat" from the baby. "They diagnosed that I was having a miscarriage. They said the damage was from the kick and that the pepper spray got to it, too."
As for joining the protests, she says, "I was worried about it, but I didn't know it would be this bad. I didn't know that a cop would murder a baby that's not born yet... I am trying to get lawyers."
I asked Fox if she had any medical records that confirm the miscarriage or that the clash with police officers caused it. She did not have copies but says she has asked her case worker at Harboview to provide her with records. Harboview officials say they cannot provide any information, of course, except that medical records would mention those details. The Seattle Police Department did not immedately respond to request for comment.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/11/21/pr...
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2359626Let me preface this post by first saying that IF any of this is true and the mother lost her unborn child, I am truly sorry. I know how devastating a miscarriage can be. I'm sorry, though, mainly for the child, a little less for the woman who so callously disregarded the safety of that child in order to indulge her own petty conceits.
I stress the "IF" because I've never met a moonbat of this woman's ilk who was averse to exaggeration, embellishment, or bald-face lying of the kind we chroniclers of the absurd witness here daily in the musings of DUers.
Being a man, I may be speaking out of school here, and the mothers of CC can correct me if I am, but when a woman is pregnant, isn't her highest priority in life to PROTECT THE NEW, GROWING LIFE INSIDE HER? That is, any mother who feels a shred of responsibility to that new life?
The idea from DU is that a "victim" never, ever, under any circumstances bears any responsibility for their own plight (unless of course it is a conservative victim). I say that is unmitigated bullshit. You can't walk through life with your head in the clouds expecting everyone around you to look out for your best interests. You don't walk through a bad neighborhood at night with your pockets stuffed full of cash. You don't cross the street when the "WALK" sign comes on without still taking a moment to look both ways. You don't call the 300lb. biker goon on the barstool next to you an asshole and expect him to respond with a witty insult.
And you for damn sure don't take your pregnant body to a protest where you
know there's going to be civil disobedience and the provocation of police action and put yourself on the front line where that action will be concentrated. In the crush of such a lawless mob the police cannot be expected to discriminate the condition and intent of every single individual within it and form a customized game plan in dealing with each of those individuals. The mob must be dealt with as a mob. Common sense tells most people that, but common sense is in short supply among the witless fools of the Left.
I would also note that there is no scientific evidence that capsaicin, an extract of hot peppers that is the active ingredient in pepper spray, has a systemic effect on fetuses. Many pregnant women eat hot peppers and use capsaicin-containing creams for joint pain without any harmful effects on their pregnancy, which leads me to believe that the statement about physician telling her that, "the pepper spray got to it, too" is bullshit.
The stench of hypocrisy and mindless, unreasoned hate is so thick I can only bear to copy and paste a few responses, reflective of pretty much the whole thread:
NYC_SKP DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:03 PM
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1. Her name was going to be "Miracle"...
:cry:
Fifty million miracles have been ripped from the womb in the name of "choice". Please, just stop it.
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-21-11 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
19. i could just die from hearing this. The first fascist army casualty
is an infant.
Miracle
oh god!!!!!!
Oh, now it's an "infant" when it suits your purpose. You should cry out to God for mercy on your soul.
Quartermass (93 posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:03 PM
Response to Original message
2. Well, there's a lawsuit. I hope she wins. Good luck to her.
Yes, it's always about the lawsuit, isn't it?
Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:06 PM
Response to Original message
4. If she had gone skydiving or any other myriad of potentially dangerous activities...
... the fault would lie with her.
She knowingly placed herself in a potentially dangerous situation and needs to accept a portion of the blame.
On a related note, my BS meter is seriously pinging. Maybe I am too cynical..
The only person in the thread who halfway gets it. Of course, he's hammered unmercifully for it.
Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. I see
forget it. delete. I can't respond to this post in a sane way.
So basically, your response to this would be no different than your response to anything else.
The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Nov-21-11 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. People protest all the time in the US, have been for years, mostly without violence
Statistics wise - union protests, mom's protesting school board decisions, etc and so on.
Most people don't expect violence at such thing, at worse they expect they could get arrested.
hell, my mom protested at York Town middle/high school when I was a kid and I was with her. Nothing major happened.
In CA I saw many protests by unions (and my X father-in-law was a union vp and went to many protests) at grocery stores - no incidents.
Possibly, but those protests were also probably carried out in a reasonable and lawful manner, not done solely for the purpose of eliciting a forceful response like OWS idiots calculate theirs to do.
sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #22
46. There has been no violence from the protests, until the cops
get there. They are dangerous to the health and well-being of the American people, as has been clearly demonstrated by the number of brutal attacks on all kinds of peaceful protesters.
At this point, it is way past time for someone to step in and start prosecuting these criminals who clearly do not belong on our streets and start protecting the public from them.
Right, and there's usually no violence from a bank robbery until the cops get there. Or a drug deal. Or any other lawbreaking that is "calm" until the cops show up to enforce the law. Hell, why don't we just get rid of cops altogether. I'm sure it would cut down on a lot of violence.
Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. There is theory and there is reality...
The reality is that bad things can happen in big mobs of people either through their actions or through the actions of an outside group.
Anyone with a TV or a common sense would realize that.
There you go with that "common sense" thing again. Don't you know where you are?
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. Reality is bad things can happen anywhere. In a crowd. In a restaurant. In a car. Crossing the stree
street.
Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. Um... yes?
Does that mean its smart to stick your hand in a bucket of piranha just because bad things can happen anywhere else?
It is about the likelihood of the bad thing happening and her responsibility to reasonably reduce risks for the child she is carrying.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #15
38. I do not expect the AP to cover this
Reuters, nope, and so it goes.
They should but somehow this is a non story.
If this happened at a Tea Party Rally, they'd be jockeying for an interview... then again do you remember any police actions at a local tea party rally? Me neither.
Umm, police in riot gear have show up at Tea Party protests. Strangely though, they never had to take the actions they do at OWS protests. I wonder why that is.
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-22-11 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #58
113. her shouting that she was pregnant and trying to flee problems
and the police ignoring her makes the police the sole individuals culpable here. They were TOLD. She was moving AWAY. they attacked her and hit her where they KNEW her baby was, her belly. THEY KNEW SHE WAS PREGNANT AND ATTACKED HER BABY! Does anyone else get this? THey focused on her baby when she said she was pregnant and they HEARD HER.
Murder. Period. She had a RIGHT to be there. they chose to KILL HER BABY when she IDENTIFIED herself pregnant. That is not HER fault. It is THEIRS. You need to examine your bs meter. It has holes in it.
And you know that they knew, how?
lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #45
62. Thanks for shooting #4's stupid argument down in flames.
I figured the poster is a male who has limited knowledge of women and their abilities, let alone anything about pregnancies.
Their abilities? I'm able to jump off the roof of my house. Doesn't mean it's a good idea, though.
LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #4
89. Sort of like if you were to spout that opinion in front of any woman, ever?
You'd be knowingly placing yourself in a potentially dangerous situation, and would need to accept a portion of the blame for the inevitable knee in the junk, right?
Oh wait, it's only women who need to keep their opinions quiet for fear of violence. **** YOU. AND I REPEAT FOR EMPHASIS: ****. YOU.
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-22-11 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #5
114. POOR SWEET BABY! LOOK AT HER IN PAIN! I HATE THIS COUNTRY SOME TIMES!
The movement is going to save our lives. THat baby was PRECIOUS! That baby was LOVED BY HER MAMA! WHAT THE **** PART OF THAT DOES THAT PERSON NOT UNDERSTAND!?
Miracle. What a lovely name.
50,000,000. You're revolting.
krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. That's why Republicans want to chain women to the stove
For their own protection, you see.
And if this uppity women wasn't goin' around gettin' all ed-ja-ma-cated, then this wouldn't be an issue, now would it???
*scratches crotch*
FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 09:31 PM
Response to Original message
29. just. no. words
She wasn't out on the edges stirring shit up, she was in the middle of the crowd, and was probably not expecting it to get violent.
She announced she was pregnant, did they NOT hear her? not care? how DARE they! ugh...i'm going to go cuss somewhere else now...
sending her love and light and prayers, hope her health is okay after all that. sometimes miscarriages can cause permanent damage as well. poor girl...
If she had been "out on the edges" this probably wouldn't have even happened to her. Instead she placed herself right in the center of things. And don't tell me she couldn't have seen the police coming or told by the reaction of the crowd what they were doing. She chose to put herself in a stupid position and her child died from it. It was the height of reckless disregard on her part. All so she could be a part of the "in" crowd, showing their asses.
sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-21-11 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #40
50. She was kicked in the stomach. That is not the same as
miscarriage. Someone took her choice away from her. If this story is true, this is a crime. And let's see how consistent the rightwing 'pro-life' crowd about this. They should, considering what they say they believe, be calling for the arrest of this officer.
My consistency is that I mourn for the loss of this child. My consistency is that I hold the woman responsible for endangering it. My consistency is that I doubt she was "kicked in the stomach". My consistency is that I think you are a blithering idiot. Any questions?
And so on it goes, with lots of deleted posts.
