Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a "liar"

[thundley4]

(Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy branded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "a liar" in a private conversation with President Barack Obama that was accidentally broadcast to journalists during last week's G20 summit in Cannes.

"I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar," Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation.

"You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you," Obama replied, according to the French interpreter.

The technical gaffe is likely to cause great embarrassment to all three leaders as they look to work together to intensify international pressure on Iran over its nuclear ambitions.

The conversation was not initially reported by the small group of journalists who overheard it because it was considered private and off-the-record. But the comments have since emerged on French websites and can be confirmed by Reuters.

White House press secretary Jay Carney declined to comment on the conversation when asked by reporters traveling with Obama to an event in Philadelphia.

Reuters

This man-child occupying the White House is a disgrace to this country. He does nothing but insult our allies and aid our enemies.

[BlueStateSaint]

And now, this:

Iran Threatens 'Street War' in Tel Aviv

Iran has threatened to start a 'street war' in Tel Aviv - and in the US and Europe - should its nuclear program be attacked.
 
By Gavriel Queenann

(Saint's note--I bolded the above for emphasis.)

First Publish: 11/8/2011, 7:26 PM

The head of the Iranian Parliament's National Security and Foreign Policy Commission said on Tuesday that Iran would start a 'street war' in Tel Aviv if its nuclear program was attacked.

"Israel is not big enough to launch a military strike on Iran, but if it takes such a foolish decision, the Iranian military will fight with the Zionist soldiers in Tel Aviv streets... and will force them out of the Palestinian soil," Seyed Hossein Naqavi said.

Naqavi also warned, should Tehran's nuclear program be attacked, the battlefield won't be in Iran, but "the entirety of Europe and the US."

"Iranian forces will fight with the enemies with maximum might and power all throughout the European and US soil, if Iran comes under attack," he reiterated.

Naqavi also responded to reports Britain might strike Iran's nuclear sites, saying "a look at the history reveals that the British regime has been using threat, intimidation, terror and colonialism all throughout the last 500 years."

Wouldn't this be a hoot--Obama having to support Israel (after the gaffe above, he'd have to do it, else he'd be done next year) against a country he's tried over and over to "engage?" . . . I suppose it'd be an "engagement," of sorts.

The rest is here:  http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/149544#.TrlxZoR0r8B

[DumbAss Tanker]

Iran Threatens 'Street War' in Tel Aviv

Iran has threatened to start a 'street war' in Tel Aviv - and in the US and Europe - should its nuclear program be attacked.
 
By Gavriel Queenann

On the positive side, the OWS dirtbags would be the first ones in the line of fire.

[Erasmus]

Based on the news articles, Iran's back to their sabre rattling exercises and have been trying to miniaturize nukes (which directly contradicts what our visiting Iranian said on this web site about two weeks ago).  One wonders if he's spoon fed Iranian news so much that he doesn't have all the facts.

Arab-Israeli war is almost unavoidable at this point.

[DumbAss Tanker]

It's hard to say.  The Sunni Arab world would largely be secretly delighted to have the Shi'ite Persians set back in a major way, and while they would publicly deplore any such action by Israel, they wouldn't actually do anything concrete about it besides let their populations have anti-Israeli riots for a couple of months.  For most of them, it kind of kills two or three birds with one stone. 

[JohnnyReb]

Based on the news articles, Iran's back to their sabre rattling exercises and have been trying to miniaturize nukes (which directly contradicts what our visiting Iranian said on this web site about two weeks ago).  One wonders if he's spoon fed Iranian news so much that he doesn't have all the facts.
Arab-Israeli war is almost unavoidable at this point.

No. Moo-hammed told his followers that "deceit is a part of war." In other words, lie to the infidel and deceive them....ergo, the moderate Muslim B.S..

[Mr Mannn]

"You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you," Obama replied,

sewing up the Jewish support again I see.

[Janice]

"You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you," Obama replied,

And we have to put up with YOU 0tard. This is how America feels about you! We have to put up with you every day. At least for the next year.

 

[GOP Congress]

sewing up the Jewish support again I see.

Oy Vey!

[Cyrus]

No. Moo-hammed told his followers that "deceit is a part of war." In other words, lie to the infidel and deceive them....ergo, the moderate Muslim B.S..

Most Iranians don't care about Islam. What's your excuse now? 

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFOt8rfiP2g[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Q5-1MxjYg[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GgBXQm3B40[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiLENQhAtAc[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv4r_zKVTVo[/youtube]

[Eupher]

Cyrus, there is little doubt that there are those in Iran who defy Islam. While your government's constitution permits even Judaism to exist (odd for an Islamic Republic), it's still a crime punishable by death when a Muslim converts to another religion and makes a mockery out of Islam. Proselytizing in Iran is also carefully monitored, if not outwardly discounted.

So far in the U.S., nobody's been executed for burning a Koran. Or a Bible. Or a Book of Mormon. Or even a Talmud.

So what's your point? Do you mean to suggest that most citizens "don't care" about Islam? It's hard to defend that particular point of view when your government assigns Islam as a state religion.

Despite the political protests of 2009 through the early part of this year, not much has happened as a result. Islam still reigns supreme in Iran.

[Cyrus]

Cyrus, there is little doubt that there are those in Iran who defy Islam. While your government's constitution permits even Judaism to exist (odd for an Islamic Republic), it's still a crime punishable by death when a Muslim converts to another religion and makes a mockery out of Islam. Proselytizing in Iran is also carefully monitored, if not outwardly discounted.

So far in the U.S., nobody's been executed for burning a Koran. Or a Bible. Or a Book of Mormon. Or even a Talmud.

So what's your point? Do you mean to suggest that most citizens "don't care" about Islam? It's hard to defend that particular point of view when your government assigns Islam as a state religion.

Despite the political protests of 2009 through the early part of this year, not much has happened as a result. Islam still reigns supreme in Iran.

Eupher I completely understand your feelings, however, you must understand that I am personally like many Iranians opposed to the Islamic Republic. Meaning that I am opposed to the things you've stated like the oppression of Christians. Hearing statements like JohnnyReb made do not progress peace nor understanding between Iranians and Americans and only serve to promote misunity.

To marginalize cultures which span millenniums into simply being "evil Muslims" is silly.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Glz5o7Iv4[/youtube]

[CG6468]

Can we cut to the chase here? Iran has no intention nor desire to become "friends" with the United States.

[Cyrus]

Can we cut to the chase here? Iran has no intention nor desire to become "friends" with the United States.

A distinction between governments, peoples, and nations must be made here.

Do we view Iran as a 6000 year old entity with a glorious culture and civilization or merely 30 years of Islamist rule? The guy who made the movie Iranium said in an interview something along the lines of "the Islamic Republic is not Persian at all", he was correct, the Islamic Republic is antithetical to Persian culture. Funnily, under the Pahlavi dynasty, Iran and America were friends. 

[CG6468]

A distinction between governments, peoples, and nations must be made here.

Do we view Iran as a 6000 year old entity with a glorious culture and civilization or merely 30 years of Islamist rule? The guy who made the movie Iranium said in an interview something along the lines of "the Islamic Republic is not Persian at all", he was correct, the Islamic Republic is antithetical to Persian culture. Funnily, under the Pahlavi dynasty, Iran and America were friends. 

Try this for "friends."

Why Iran's Top Leaders Believe That the End of Days Has Come

By Joel C. Rosenberg

Published November 07, 2011

Why would Iran authorize a major terrorist operation on American soil? Skeptics say the much-discussed “foiled” Iranian plot makes no sense. We will know soon enough if the Feds have sufficient evidence related to this specific plot. But Iranian leaders may, in fact, have a motive to accelerate direct attacks on the U.S.: Shia Islamic eschatology, or "End Times" theology.

Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are convinced that the End of Days has come. They believe the Shia messiah known as the “Twelfth Imam” or the “Mahdi” will appear soon to establish a global Islamic kingdom known as the caliphate.

What’s more, they believe the way to hasten the coming of the Twelfth Imam is to annihilate Israel (which they call the “Little Satan”), and the United States (which they call the “Great Satan”). We should not, therefore, be surprised that Iran is probing for weaknesses in American intelligence and homeland security.

(snip)

Ayatollah Ibrahim Amini, a professor at the Religious Learning Centre in Qom, wrote a noteworthy book entitled, Al-Imam al-Mahdi, the Just Leader of Humanity, describing the connection between Shia eschatology and Iranian foreign policy. “Those who persist in their disbelief and wickedness shall be killed by the soldiers of the Mahdi,” wrote Amini. “The only victorious government in the entire world will be that of Islam, and people will devotedly endeavor to protect it. Islam will be the religion of everyone, and will enter all the nations of the world. . . .The Mahdi will offer the religion of Islam to the Jews and the Christians; if they accept it they will be spared, otherwise they will be killed. . . . It seems unlikely that this catastrophe can be avoided. . . . Warfare and bloodshed [are] inevitable. . . The Imam of the Age and his supporters will overcome the forces of disbelief and godless materialism by undertaking jihad.”

With friends like this.....

[Cyrus]

Try this for "friends."

With friends like this.....

As I said, I'm against the Islamic Republic.

[Eupher]

A distinction between governments, peoples, and nations must be made here.

Do we view Iran as a 6000 year old entity with a glorious culture and civilization or merely 30 years of Islamist rule? The guy who made the movie Iranium said in an interview something along the lines of "the Islamic Republic is not Persian at all", he was correct, the Islamic Republic is antithetical to Persian culture. Funnily, under the Pahlavi dynasty, Iran and America were friends. 

If your government calls you to military service, irrespective of the reason, do you grab a weapon and go?

Or suffer the consequences?

It really boils down to that.

[Cyrus]

If your government calls you to military service, irrespective of the reason, do you grab a weapon and go?

Or suffer the consequences?

It really boils down to that.

No I don't think so I'm too overweight.

[DumbAss Tanker]

No I don't think so I'm too overweight.

It's considerably easier to finesse that problem if you are living outside your home country's borders when they call.

 

[Cyrus]

It's considerably easier to finesse that problem if you are living outside your home country's borders when they call.

 

In American pounds I believe I'm near 350.

On an unrelated:
http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/ayatoilet1/iranians-united-wanting-regime-toppled-do-not-support-attack-nuclear-establishments

^^good article

[Eupher]

Unfortunately, the West did not attack Iran when they could have back in the 90's. In fact the mullahs in Iran should have been defeated first, before comitting troops into Iraq. This was a major strategic blunder. And in 2009 when the Iranian public took to the streets, and begged the West for support - none was forthcoming. The West has let the people of Iran down very badly many times. Time and again over the past 100 years - Iranians have been undermined by the West. The West has NEVER MISSED an opportunity to deny Iranians their freedom and democracy....by always supporting dictators and enemies of Iranians into power. If Israel attacks Iran's nuclear establishments, we all know that it will be with America's blessing. Once again, the United States will end up backing force and aggression against the nation of Iran.

Cyrus, from your own link, how can you explain this crap?

The author (Ayatoilet1 - that's rich!  ) talks out of both sides of his mouth. He says first, that Iranians will ALWAYS line up behind their leadership as it's a sovereignty/dignity/nationalistic thing to do, even though they "hate" their leadership.

And then this guy laments that the West (let's be real here - he really means the U.S.) didn't waltz in and kick some Iranian ass back in the Nineties. What makes you think the Iranian people wouldn't have lined up behind the mullahs back then, as well as today?

Advocating that the very weapon that can destroy Israel shouldn't be attacked in favor of the mullahs themselves? WTF?

Standard military doctrine is to attack BOTH the weapon system that can hurt you most as well as command and control systems, meaning the mullahs and whoever else is calling the shots.

I'm not sure, but I'd submit that many members of CC cringed when Obama failed to acknowledge the plight of the Iranians during their election protests back in 2009. Obama is so busy trying to be non-offensive to Muslims that he's offended his own countrymen to the point that counting the days until he's ousted is a daily occurrence.

Articles like this one that you've posted have to be taken with a grain of salt. I certainly don't take it seriously.

[Cyrus]

Cyrus, from your own link, how can you explain this crap?

The author (Ayatoilet1 - that's rich!  ) talks out of both sides of his mouth. He says first, that Iranians will ALWAYS line up behind their leadership as it's a sovereignty/dignity/nationalistic thing to do, even though they "hate" their leadership.

And then this guy laments that the West (let's be real here - he really means the U.S.) didn't waltz in and kick some Iranian ass back in the Nineties. What makes you think the Iranian people wouldn't have lined up behind the mullahs back then, as well as today?

Advocating that the very weapon that can destroy Israel shouldn't be attacked in favor of the mullahs themselves? WTF?

Standard military doctrine is to attack BOTH the weapon system that can hurt you most as well as command and control systems, meaning the mullahs and whoever else is calling the shots.

I'm not sure, but I'd submit that many members of CC cringed when Obama failed to acknowledge the plight of the Iranians during their election protests back in 2009. Obama is so busy trying to be non-offensive to Muslims that he's offended his own countrymen to the point that counting the days until he's ousted is a daily occurrence.

Articles like this one that you've posted have to be taken with a grain of salt. I certainly don't take it seriously.

You're right Eupher, I don't agree with everything he said.

[Eupher]

Ah, but here's the rub, Cyrus.

You ducked Tanker's observation by posting a link to this article, and then called it a "good article."

You've acknowledged you're overweight and probably wouldn't qualify for your country's military. Okay, I get that. AND, you maintain you live outside of Iran -- not surprising, given that what you've posted and the utterances you've made would probably result in your being thrown in an Iranian jail or worse if you lived there.

I think you've got a pretty sizeable pair of balls coming onto this web site, waving a flag and proclaming peace 'n love and that there's a good chunk of people in your country who don't line up with the mullahs.

That may be -- but when your country's government makes overt, callous, outward threats toward its neighbors and you post links to web sites that flat-out state that the people will line up with the mullahs, what the hell do you think we're headed for? A soccer match? A round of golf? A freakin' picnic?

Your country's leaders are on the verge of having both a nuclear weapon AND the means to deliver it. And your country's leaders have made very, very provocative and threatening statements.

I trust you people about as far as I can throw you -- and at 350 lbs., that ain't very far.

[Cyrus]

Ah, but here's the rub, Cyrus.

You ducked Tanker's observation by posting a link to this article, and then called it a "good article."

You've acknowledged you're overweight and probably wouldn't qualify for your country's military. Okay, I get that. AND, you maintain you live outside of Iran -- not surprising, given that what you've posted and the utterances you've made would probably result in your being thrown in an Iranian jail or worse if you lived there.

I think you've got a pretty sizeable pair of balls coming onto this web site, waving a flag and proclaming peace 'n love and that there's a good chunk of people in your country who don't line up with the mullahs.

That may be -- but when your country's government makes overt, callous, outward threats toward its neighbors and you post links to web sites that flat-out state that the people will line up with the mullahs, what the hell do you think we're headed for? A soccer match? A round of golf? A freakin' picnic?

Your country's leaders are on the verge of having both a nuclear weapon AND the means to deliver it. And your country's leaders have made very, very provocative and threatening statements.

I trust you people about as far as I can throw you -- and at 350 lbs., that ain't very far.

Well said.

[Cyrus]

I can't tell 100% what you mean Eupher but I agree with you that Mullahs are a threat to world peace.