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What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
« on: May 02, 2008, 09:57:38 AM »
Just bringing the whole thing over- just a spark as of now...they have to get their talking points out.

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calmblueocean  (1000+ posts)       Fri May-02-08 10:28 AM
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What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
 just read an article where a Republican blogger said:


...he believes in "the fundamentals of being a Republican - less government, individual freedom, personal responsibility, strong national defense."


Which just made me laugh, considering that Bush has given us more government, taken away our freedoms, has a total absence of personal accountability, and has given us the worldwide disaster of the Iraq War.

But the Republicans keep saying lines like these because they make a good slogan. So what does being a Democrat mean? Mirroring this guy's language, I would say it stands for smarter government, individual opportunity, corporate responsibility, and a strong national defense. (That last one belongs to us, not them.)

What would you say, in a sentence, are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?

How does having a strong national defense get to be a platform for the dems? unless they mean they are going to bring all the soldiers home and line them up shoulder to shoulder at the border, but still let everyone in...
 
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   well - not sure I can summarize in a sentence - but am sure it would include  DrDan   May-02-08 10:29 AM   #1 
   You mean something along the line of   Frances   May-02-08 10:41 AM   #3 
      something more along the line that everyone is treated equally  DrDan   May-02-08 10:43 AM   #5 
         I am reading No Ordinary Time by Doris Kearns Goodwin  Frances   May-02-08 10:50 AM   #7 
   I like your summary of Democratic values:  Frances   May-02-08 10:40 AM   #2 
   The lesser of two evils.  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-02-08 10:42 AM   #4 
   They vote against their own self interest.   mac2   May-02-08 10:43 AM   #6 
   I would add  hyphenate   May-02-08 10:52 AM   #8 
 
DrDan  (1000+ posts)      Fri May-02-08 10:29 AM
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1. well - not sure I can summarize in a sentence - but am sure it would include
 some thoughts about equal rights for all U.S. citizens
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Frances (1000+ posts)      Fri May-02-08 10:41 AM
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3. You mean something along the line of 
 Democrats believe that ability to the job is more important than cronyism.
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DrDan  (1000+ posts)      Fri May-02-08 10:43 AM
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5. something more along the line that everyone is treated equally
 regardless of context - education, hiring, pay, benefits, voting
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Frances (1000+ posts)      Fri May-02-08 10:50 AM
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7. I am reading No Ordinary Time by Doris Kearns Goodwin
 It's a book about Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt during World War II.

Eleanor fought very hard for what you are saying. Franklin agreed with her views, but was always conscious of what he could actually get done politically.

 
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Frances (1000+ posts)      Fri May-02-08 10:40 AM
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2. I like your summary of Democratic values:
 "smarter government, individual opportunity, corporate responsibility, strong national defense"

It's really hard to come up with all that is good about Dems in a few words, but I think you just did.

Since 2000, the Republicans have given us a bigger, corrupt, incompetent government; curtailed our freedoms as indviduals; passed the buck for their domestic and foreign policy failures; and wasted our material and manpower military advantages to the point where our country is vulnerable to other much weaker groups.
 
Tierra_y_Libertad  (1000+ posts)       Fri May-02-08 10:42 AM
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4. The lesser of two evils.
 

 mac2  (1000+ posts)     Fri May-02-08 10:43 AM
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6. They vote against their own self interest. 
 

 hyphenate  (1000+ posts)       Fri May-02-08 10:52 AM
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8. I would add
 providing security to those without it (through social security, disability, other health and welfare programs), achieving good political ties with other nations, stronger laws against corporate malfeasance (pollution, environmental ****ups) and a strong economic foundation, including taxes on those who can afford it most to boost that .
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Re: What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2008, 10:02:41 AM »
It means being a socialist.

This great man knows socialism:

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Re: What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2008, 10:03:02 AM »
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What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?

For the modern-day Democrat:  Power and control over people with the ends justifying the means.

The rest are subtitles under that heading.

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Re: What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2008, 10:55:38 AM »
This comment by Frances the talking mule primitive caught my eye:

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You mean something along the line of Democrats believe that ability to the job is more important than cronyism.

Yeah, right, like in Chicago or New Orleans or Milwaukee or Detroit or Pittsburgh or Buffalo or Boston or Providence or Philadelphia or Memphis or Atlanta or Seattle or Milwaukee or Cleveland, or any of these other big cities run by political machines,
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Re: What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2008, 11:29:04 AM »
Be it group think, racism, vote fraud, corruption, or incompetence...projecting one's own weaknesses onto the other side without looking in a mirror (the mirror thing I can understand, I've seen their picture threads, but some self-examination would help).

Believing every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike...if there isn't one available FIND ONE (or make one up...see DC Madam, 911, and the "fact" that every Democratic in congress is being blackmailed by the BFEE)

Believing people with a different political philosophy are criminals.

Thinking the decades long "War on Poverty" WILL be successful with more money and time, but that the War on Terror should last 6 months and only cost a couple thousand dollars.

Believing someone who graduated from Yale and has an MBA from Harvard is "dumb" but an angry, bitter harpy whose never had more than a minimum wage job and spends as much time on public assistance as she does working hasn't received the Nobel Prize for sheer genius yet because there's a conspiracy to keep her down.

Thinking so highly of oneself that you actually believe your phone is being tapped because you've been to a couple of protests and bitch on a message board all day.

Believing Karl Rove is, was, or will be indicted (maybe it was business YEARS).

Thinking the International Criminal Court has jurisdiction in the US.

Believing Cheeto's is a food group.

Hating everyone who doesn't think exactly like you do to the point of wishing them harm and yet believing yourself to be the most tolerant human beings on the planet.
 
Thinking oneself to be a free thinking, progressive individual while illustrating in the flesh exactly the message George Orwell was sharing in Animal Farm.

Waking up angry and going to bed the same way.

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Re: What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2008, 11:33:08 AM »
Great work, delilah.

I keep forgetting; May 12 is just around the corner, and I've still got a lot of stuff to unearth and post.

Also, you're aware that the day before yesterday was the third anniversary of Doug's ex-wife's really stupid stunt?
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Re: What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2008, 11:37:20 AM »
Great work, delilah.

I keep forgetting; May 12 is just around the corner, and I've still got a lot of stuff to unearth and post.

Also, you're aware that the day before yesterday was the third anniversary of Doug's ex-wife's really stupid stunt?

What stupid stunt was that? There's so many.

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Re: What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 11:42:58 AM »
What stupid stunt was that? There's so many.

The scam that rocked the internet.

And this coming Monday will be the third anniversary of when that one guy, a nice guy known to be of honest and honorable reputation, broke it wide open, and was immediately banished from Skins's island.

Ah, those were the fun days.
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Re: What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2008, 01:06:24 PM »
What stupid stunt was that? There's so many.

The scam that rocked the internet.

And this coming Monday will be the third anniversary of when that one guy, a nice guy known to be of honest and honorable reputation, broke it wide open, and was immediately banished from Skins's island.

Ah, those were the fun days.

Poor thing...she's really gone downhill since then. I think that was pretty much the beginning of the end for her marriage, too. Doug just might have been the best thing that ever happened to her.

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Re: What are the fundamentals of being a Democrat?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2008, 02:25:22 PM »
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individual opportunity
Something you socialists hate.

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They vote against their own self interest.   mac2   May-02-08 10:43 AM   #6 

You know, it's pretty arrogant to tell someone what their own interests are. As if having your whole paycheck gone in taxes and government running your life is in anyone's interest. Stupidity like this really should be painful.
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