The OP is about Diane Sawyer, but notable mainly for the beeyotch-slapping of Nadin Knowitall:
Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-03-11 07:13 PM
Original message
Well, Diane Sawyer informed us that people are getting sick of the Occupy movement
and proceeded to show a story this evening with one woman yelling at occupiers telling them to go home. She was tired of the mess, the graffiti, and broken windows. Diane's question after the story to the reporter covering it was to ask if the movement is in danger of snuffing itself out.
Would lay odds that tomorrow the media will be running with this notion.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2238206#2238439redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 07:53 PM
Response to Original message
29. First Amendment
"...or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
In no way, shape, or form did the Nov 2 events in Oakland meet the definition of peaceable assembly.
The bulk of the 99 understand this. The movement better understand it as well, or become a footnote in history.
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Response to Reply #29
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Oh, I would have loved to see what was on those two deleted sub-threads.
Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #29
41. Please don't buy into MSM!!!
There was a bad bunch in the group. Some refer to them as the Black Bloc. Needless-to-say ... they are agent provocateurs. OWS and Occupy Oakland DO NOT and WILL NOT condone violence of any nature; they are purely a peaceful movement up against the 1%.
And can you hear/feel/see it?? The 99% are being heard and the 1% are showing their intimidation.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. Peaceful movement
Shutting down a port by occupation is many things, but it is not "peaceful." Any attempt to spin it any other way notwithstanding.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. You did not learn history did you
Look up definition of GENERAL STRIKE.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. I know it very well
So, you're saying Occupy Oakland has moved beyond peaceable assembly...to petition the government for redress of grievances?
What's next?
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #50
63. So you are saying strikes should inconvenience none?
By the way you do realize the founders would be laughing at you right at the momemt?
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. Well, that's unknowable, isn't it?
Answer me this.
A group of pro-lifers is exercising their 1A rights by marching for their cause (with all due permits).
They decide to make their point by occupying the premises of abortion clinics, effectively shutting them down. Within their rights?
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-03-11 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. They have done that, a few times
They have also killed doctors and used bombs. Tell me when did that happen? Oh wait it did not.
As to the founders, no it's not. You can start by reading.
So to the original question your contention is that a strike should inconvenience none. You should thank those who inconvenienced many for your 40 hour week, a weekend and a minimum wage. We are bout where we left off. Living wages shoud be next in the agenda, and getting rid f righ to work legislation.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. You didn't answer the question
Would shutting down the abortion clinics by occupation be legitimate under the 1A rights of the protesters?
Are you insane? Of course bombing and assassination are not legitimate forms of protest.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. They have done that
Edited on Thu Nov-03-11 10:39 PM by nadinbrzezinski
It's even gone to courts...I also pointed out where they've gone.
I think your problem is with a general strike. Get used to them, they are back.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. Then say the words
"Pro-lifers have the right to shut down abortion clinics by occupation as part of 1A protection."
Say it.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. I'll give you my answer
Pro-lifers DO NOT have the right to shut down abortion clinics by occupation.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #76
81. The USSC has given them the right to occupy parking lots
Where they have effectively done that
Now general strike.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_strike
Huh? General strike by who? Owsies or Pro-Lifers? I think she's been drinking again.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #81
86. Cite the case, please n/t
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #86
94. Scenk v pro choice.
Edited on Thu Nov-03-11 11:53 PM by nadinbrzezinski
It was brought, argued under rico...
No I did not imagine it, sorry.
Oh and have a wonderful life.
redgiant (150 posts) Fri Nov-04-11 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #94
97. Huh?
The case you cited upheld the constitutionality of buffer zones.
Here's a more recent case:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/high-court-stays-out-... /
In light of the above, how would a shut-down by occupation be allowed under 1A protection?
Say the words.
Ooooo. Google-Fu FAIL. Nad's Drunken Monkey Google-Fu is no match for redgiant's Tiger Fist Google-Fu.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #81
87. So, say the words n/t
redgiant (150 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-04-11 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #73
98. " Get used to them, they are back"
Will they be as much of a cluster **** as Oakland 11/2/11?
On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the success of Oakland's "General Strike?"
What percent of the almost 400,000 residents participated in the strike by voluntarily staying off work?
What percent of the economic activity of the city was disrupted?
I'm wondering if YOU know the history of general strikes.
redgiant (150 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-03-11 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #67
74. When did I say...
...a strike should inconvenience no one? Oh, wait. I did not.
What I did do is make a distinction between a disruption caused by an internal strike and that caused by external forces.
An assembly plant goes on strike. The plant is shut down. The workers march to the local Wal-Mart and shut it down by occupation. Legitimate? (The Wal-Mart workers do not participate)
At this point Nads is desperately thinking, "Why doesn't the ref stop this?"
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #74
79. Start the process of education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_strike
When in doubt, repeat the WikiPedia links.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #63
68. As I've said before
There is a difference between a facility being shut down due to the strike of its own workers, and being shut down by the actions of others.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. Re-read meaning of general strike.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #72
78. Jesus H. Christ
I know the meaning of general strike. You really are condescending.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. Educate yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_strike
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #80
84. You're avoiding the central point
I'm making. Why?
Because she's a DUmbass.
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. You are
Bye buy.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. "you don't impress me much" n/t
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. Free clue ain't here to impress you
Edited on Thu Nov-03-11 11:40 PM by nadinbrzezinski
You are another random poster on the inter-webs pushing a RW meme.
Final "argument" of every DUmmy who has absolutely nothing left to say.
redgiant (150 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-03-11 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #90
93. I am?
How many workers have you negotiated contracts for?
30+ year union member
Elected union officer
Executive committee member multiple times
Headed negotiations committee multiple times
Negotiated at the table multiple times
Recognized by local union for improvements in negotiations process
coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-03-11 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #29
58. You're joking, right? Either that or you're a lickspittle for the Updated at 9:45 PM
1%. Either way, I suspect your stay here will be very short-lived.
redgiant (150 posts) Thu Nov-03-11 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #58
85. Why?
Enforced orthodoxy?
Yeah, pretty much. Redgiant, you are not long for the DU world.
This is why DUmmies cannot leave the Hive to debate anyone.
