Horsewithnoshame has tax cheating friends

[thundley4]

Horse with no Name   (1000+ posts)             Wed Nov-02-11 12:57 AM
Original message
Some friends owe the IRS $85k
   
How does a person that doesn't make that much money do that?

Fines and penalties.

They consulted one of those tax attorneys. He apparently took them for a ride...so they ended up owing more money.

So...the wonderfully magnanimous IRS negotiated a payment schedule with them.

Last year, they allowed them to pay $500 month. This year, they have to pay $1000 month and generously NEXT year, they get to pay $1500 month. And it keeps going up until it is paid.

These people don't drive new cars or live in McMansions. To be fair, I honestly do not know how this all happened...but it really sucks because my friends are going to be moving so they can get jobs paying a little bit more money so that they can meet the monthly obligations next year.

I don't know how all of this works---I wish I could help them.

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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts)             Wed Nov-02-11 01:00 AM
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1. Fines and penalties my left foot
   
Your friends didn't pay any income taxes for a very long time.

This didn't happen because they were short on a $3000 tax bill. This happened because they actively avoided paying their income taxes for several years, at a minimum. I'd bet closer to a decade. They're moving? They should consider themselves lucky that they're not moving to a federal prison.

Does Obama have any cabinet openings?

Most of the DUmmies know the OP is BS.

[diesel driver]

Tell Horsewithshitforbrains's friend to move to North Dakota.  I hear they're hiring. 

Even the burger flippers are getting $15/hr.

[franksolich]

Remember who, or what, we're dealing with here.

No way in Hell Ms. Ed would have a friend owing the IRS $85,000.

Unless caught dealing in drugs, which is a possibility.....

If not so, and if a friend of hers actually owes the IRS, it's probably something along the lines of $850.

Remember who, or what, we're dealing with here.

[Erasmus]

I agree with the other DUer.  It's possible, and probably because they've not filed a return in over a decade.  It's hard to have much sympathy for a person who doesn't file a return or years worth of returns, it's impossible to have sympathy for them when they think everyone else should be paying more in taxes while they're cheating the system.

[franksolich]

I agree with the other DUer.  It's possible, and probably because they've not filed a return in over a decade.  It's hard to have much sympathy for a person who doesn't file a return or years worth of returns, it's impossible to have sympathy for them when they think everyone else should be paying more in taxes while they're cheating the system.

But Ms. Ed wouldn't possibly know anyone making enough money to owe $85,000 (in penalties, too) even after ten years.....unless their money was made selling drugs.

And so it's either that--illicit drug income--or Ms. Ed as usual is lying, and her "friend" owes, maybe, $850, at a stretch $8,500 over, for example, ten years.

And it's also likely Ms. Ed read something in the newspapers about somebody, and churned out a creative-writing exercise making it a "personal experience."  She's done that before.

Trust me, one can't trust a single word the unappellated eohippus writes; she lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies.....

[GOBUCKS]

But Ms. Ed wouldn't possibly know anyone making enough money to owe $85,000 (in penalties, too) even after ten years.....unless their money was made selling drugs.

Trust me, one can't trust a single word the unappellated eohippus writes; she lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies.....

Clearly correct. Anyone with that kind of money would never have his dick inspected in a rundown single-wide in a dusty, crappy Texas trailer park.

[franksolich]

Oh my.

I've been watching this campfire.

Right after reply #1, the skepticism, this:

Name removed (0 posts)      Wed Nov-02-11 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #1
 
3. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

One wonders what Ms. Ed said that got deleted.

Anyway, so it burns on and on.....

alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-02-11 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #3
 
9. A self-employed person pays exactly the same amount in taxes as a non-self-employed person

The only difference between your friends - a couple of tax cheats - and a non-self-employed person is that your friends didn't pay their taxes.

Oh, of course, the non-self-employed person has a company do withholding for them. This is difficult? They couldn't set aside the money they knew they would owe? They're lousy business people, then, but still tax cheats.

Non-self-employed people also have expenses, and probably wish they had that withheld money to spend on this and that. But that's the money they owe for their taxes.

Directed to Ms. Ed:

gateley  (1000+ posts)      Wed Nov-02-11 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #1
 
4. The fines and penalties ARE excessive and oppressive whether you were short on a $3000 tax bill or if you didn't pay for a decade.

alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-02-11 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #4

10. Oddly, I've never run into this supposed problem

Largely because I pay my taxes as I'm supposed to every year.

Novel concept, I know.

gateley  (1000+ posts)      Wed Nov-02-11 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #10
 
25. As do I.

Directed to Ms. Ed again:

Matariki  (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-02-11 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #1

17. You don't know what you are talking about.

Directed to Ms. Ed again, but Ms. Ed isn't answering:

WolverineDG  (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-02-11 08:22 AM
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23. Have they actually talked to the IRS?

There is a form they can fill out to show they are "uncollectable."

More information for Ms. Ed, who's ignoring it:

unblock (1000+ posts)        Wed Nov-02-11 12:43 PM
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27. generally speaking, fines are assessed only for trying to get away with something illegal.

typically (not always, but typically), if you merely got something innocently wrong, you owe the back taxes, plus interest and penalties simply for paying late. these days that's just a few percent because interst rates are so low. maybe as much as 5% annually i'm guessing for interest and another 5% annually for penalties.

the FINES come in when you do things you're not supposed to do, like claiming a portion of you house as a home office when you also use it for personal use. when you claim a deduction, you're supposed to know and be able to document that you're entitled to it. if you can't do this, then it's not the irs that's to blame.

to me, the only real sob stories come in when you had documentation at the time you filed, but then had an accident, such as a fire, so you aren't able to support the deductions when the audit comes.

this is why i prefer to do my own taxes. it forces me to learn and understand everything i deduct because *I* am responsible for it and *I* pay the penalties and/or go to prison if i get it wrong. i'm not paying someone else to make those kind of decisions for me given that i can't shift the responsibility to them.

AngryAmish (1000+ posts)        Thu Nov-03-11 10:19 AM
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34. I'm a lawyer. I never talk to the IRS without my tax lawyer.

Never talk to federal law enforcement. Easy for me to say but you really need a tax lawyer.

[Skul]

Horse with no Name   (1000+ posts)             Wed Nov-02-11 12:57 AM
Original message
Some friends owe the IRS $85k
>el snippo<   
I don't know how all of this works---I wish I could help them.

You can, DUmbass.
Don't ever give your friends, tax advice. Ever again.

[Tucker]

This is what's wrong with public service employees in one short sentence.

hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts)     Wed Nov-02-11 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #12
16. maybe
   
although my employer, the city government, does not really care about profit, and many other people are employed by the library, the schools, the county, the state, the water department, etc.