Kentuck wants the government to start work farms.

[thundley4]

kentuck   (1000+ posts)             Tue Nov-01-11 09:45 PM
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I think the government should buy up farmland in Nebraska and Kansas...
   
Because I think it is possible that we are entering a time that will be more difficult than the Great Depression. People will need food and shelter and work. It will be necessary to return to the earth in order to survive.

People will create their own little towns from survival communes. They will build their own simple houses. They will farm the land to grow food to feed the rest of America that can no longer afford the prices of the corporate farmers. The government will buy the food, much like they did in the Great Depression, and distribute it to the neediest people in our country.

I think that time may be closer than we think? I do not think we will be a manufacturing country for much longer. I think we are returning to an agrarian society. The times will be very difficult and those that survive will be those that hang together.

Our empire is dying. We will need to change to make it in the new country. Cities will die. Detroit is only the first, even though it is still hanging on. Others will follow. American cities will become like ghost towns with only a few businesses able to maintain an existence. Jobs will disappear. We will have to return to the land out of necessity.

This may seem like a paranoid dream? But I think this is a possible future scenario. It will probably happen after two or three years of natural disasters, such as drought or another dust bowl? I think a wise government would prepare for such an event. Buy up the land so people will be able to work and survive and feed the hungry of this nation.

This is the vision I have of America.

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teddy51   (620 posts)           Tue Nov-01-11 09:50 PM
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1. I suspect that your vision isn't to far fetched either. We are headed directly
   
into this scenario at an alarming speed.

proud2BlibKansan   (1000+ posts)             Tue Nov-01-11 09:52 PM
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3. Kansas farmland has way too much natural gas under it.
   
Oil too.

But there are plenty of dead and dying towns all over Kansas.

RKP5637   (1000+ posts)           Tue Nov-01-11 09:55 PM
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5. I don't think you're too far off base. IMO I think we are going to see radical
   
changes in this country. This insane Ponzi scheme with endless virtual cash is insane. I think we will be in a major global financial crisis and once faith in the currency falters and China takes the lead in 2016, as some have postulated, we will have to do a radical realignment for survival.

Sadly America has done its best to work itself into being non-essential to the world once our financial status diminishes. It seems our core industry is implements of war, not much to brag about IMO in the big picture.

FEMA Camps or government work farms, the choice is yours DUmmies.  Sounds like a new idea for debtor's prisons to me. 

[franksolich]

Oh my.

The problem with the bluegrass primitive's idea about Nebraska (I'm not sure about Kansas, but I suspect it's roughly similar) is that just because there's a lot of empty land, it's capable of sustaining small farms.

That of course is true in the eastern third of Nebraska, and alongside the Platte River, but as for the rest, forget about it.  A square mile of land in the Sandhills could barely support a single family, given that God made the Sandhills for grazing cattle, not for people engaged in farming.

Typical primitive simplethink.

[franksolich]

To add:

Why would the largest city in the Sandhills, population 8,000 (the second-largest is 3,000) be located on the edge of the Sandhills, rather than in them?

The Sandhills are a pretty large part of Nebraska, and it's obvious that the ancient collective wisdom of our forebears was right; it's no place for thriving small-town farm communities located only ten miles apart all the way across the state.  We're not Iowa, after all.

[thundley4]

To add:

Why would the largest city in the Sandhills, population 8,000 (the second-largest is 3,000) be located on the edge of the Sandhills, rather than in them?

The Sandhills are a pretty large part of Nebraska, and it's obvious that the ancient collective wisdom of our forebears was right; it's no place for thriving small-town farm communities located only ten miles apart all the way across the state.  We're not Iowa, after all.

I think the DUmmie was wanting to buy up land in red states.

[Bodadh]

Um, excuse me DUmmie, but the reason we can afford all the food we have now is BECAUSE of "corporate" farms and all the other things corporations make like fertilizer, tractors, and all the scientist and engineers they have employed over the years. Going back to your ideal dirt farm would starve most of the population of not only this country but the world. That one dollar can of peas that you can keep for months in your kitchen would cost a hell of a lot more.


I am getting sick of this fantasy they all have of becoming farmers. IT IS NOT AS EASY AS YOU ALL SEEM TO THINK DUmbasses!


BTW, since when is there some sort of food shortage in this country?

[Chris_]

kentuck   (1000+ posts)             Tue Nov-01-11 09:45 PM
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I think the government should buy up farmland in Nebraska and Kansas...

Weren't these morons complaining the other month about the federal government owning too much land already?

[seahorse513]

I think the government should buy up farmland in Nebraska and Kansas...

Why do you want the government to buy it?? Why don't you, yourself buy it, and work the land yourself??

If the government owns it, then they will be telling you what they want you to grow. If you buy it, work it yourself, then you can choose to grow what you want...

Why don't you think for yourself and stop letting the government think for you??

[Dblhaul]

Out west we think in how many acres it will take to support one head of cattle, in the east they think in terms of cattle per acre.

Their comunes have been tried, and failed. Someone has to do the work.

[BlueStateSaint]

I think the DUmmie was wanting to buy up land in red states.

Dead on. 

[Karin]

Oh they love to romanticize the self-sustaining communal farm life.  They have no idea. 

[franksolich]

I think the DUmmie was wanting to buy up land in red states.

Yeah.

Forty acres of this and a mule's going to sustain a family of four:

Need the bluegrass primitive remember, there was a time the Sandhills were full of, teeming with, small family farms and oodles of crops.

That all went away with the Dust Bowl, though; just blew away, down into the Gulf of Mexico.

Need the bluegrass primitive also remember, the Dust Bowl of the 1930s is rated as the "largest man-made environmental disaster" in all the history of mankind, in all the world.

I think the bluegrass primitive needs to learn a little bit about Nebraska, before he goes off on this preposterous notion that we have all this farmland out here, that could be divvied up for small family farms.

[BlueStateSaint]

Some nice country, Coach . . . now, if there was a big-racked and big-bodied whitetail deer within 200 yards, that would be the capstone.

[franksolich]

Some nice country, Coach . . . now, if there was a big-racked and big-bodied whitetail deer within 200 yards, that would be the capstone.

There usually are.

But anyway, think of it.

The Sandhills county in which I spent my adolescence is the size of the state of Delaware.

In the census of 1920, the county had 41,000 inhabitants, tons and tons of small family farms.

Then came the Dust Bowl, God and nature angry that man was using the land for purposes it was not created.

In the census of 2010, the county had 9,000 inhabitants, and is nearly all for cattle.

[franksolich]

Damn, I'm sorry to harp on the bluegrass primitive's abysmal knowledge of Nebraska, but I'm ill enough to harp some more.

Even Native Americans were intuitively aware the Sandhills of Nebraska were not meant for small family farms.

The town in which I spent my adolescence has an "Indian-sounding" name, and I always refrain from naming it, because it might give effete easterners this silly notion of cowboys-and-Indians, when in fact the most-recent occupation of the Sandhills by the Native Americans had disappeared long before William the Conqueror set foot on England in 1066.

[jukin]

Adolph and Joseph are smiling.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Typical primitive simplethink.

Yep.  Those small humble little communes would be lucky to keep starvation at bay for themselves, producing the necessary surplus to support city dwellers is entirely out of the question.

And government work camps...hmmm, where have I heard that kind of idea before...?

[WinOne4TheGipper]

Um, excuse me DUmmie, but the reason we can afford all the food we have now is BECAUSE of "corporate" farms and all the other things corporations make like fertilizer, tractors, and all the scientist and engineers they have employed over the years. Going back to your ideal dirt farm would starve most of the population of not only this country but the world. That one dollar can of peas that you can keep for months in your kitchen would cost a hell of a lot more.


I am getting sick of this fantasy they all have of becoming farmers. IT IS NOT AS EASY AS YOU ALL SEEM TO THINK DUmbasses!


BTW, since when is there some sort of food shortage in this country?

Their mommies' basements are filled with empty Cheetos packages and they've been cut off.  Ergo, they have a food shortage.

[Aristotelian]

Perhaps the government should force people out of the cities onto the farms to work them (whether they want to or not) - it worked so well in Cambodia afterall.

[bijou]

They won't be too keen on governemnt work camps once the Republicans are in power. They may find themselves having to do some actual work. 

[Mike220]

If the DUmmies really want to spend some time working a government farm camp, they could always sign up for a tour in Angola...

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

kentuck   (1000+ posts)             Tue Nov-01-11 09:45 PM
Original message
I think the government should buy up farmland in Nebraska and Kansas...
   
Because I think it is possible that we are entering a time that will be more difficult than the Great Depression. People will need food and shelter and work. It will be necessary to return to the earth in order to survive.

People will create their own little towns from survival communes. They will build their own simple houses. They will farm the land to grow food to feed the rest of America that can no longer afford the prices of the corporate farmers. The government will buy the food, much like they did in the Great Depression, and distribute it to the neediest people in our country.

I think that time may be closer than we think? I do not think we will be a manufacturing country for much longer. I think we are returning to an agrarian society. The times will be very difficult and those that survive will be those that hang together.

Our empire is dying. We will need to change to make it in the new country. Cities will die. Detroit is only the first, even though it is still hanging on. Others will follow. American cities will become like ghost towns with only a few businesses able to maintain an existence. Jobs will disappear. We will have to return to the land out of necessity.

This may seem like a paranoid dream? But I think this is a possible future scenario. It will probably happen after two or three years of natural disasters, such as drought or another dust bowl? I think a wise government would prepare for such an event. Buy up the land so people will be able to work and survive and feed the hungry of this nation.

This is the vision I have of America.

Great! It'll be like a retarded Little House On The Prairie! Can't wait! 

[Bodadh]

When the hell were we ever a "empire" any way?

[Gina]

Oh they love to romanticize the self-sustaining communal farm life.  They have no idea. 

I think that guy has been watching "I am Legend" recently 

[DefiantSix]

Out west we think in how many acres it will take to support one head of cattle, in the east they think in terms of cattle per acre.

Their comunes have been tried, and failed. Someone has to do the work.

And it's never, ever these clOWnS.

[tanstaafl]

They won't be too keen on governemnt work camps once the Republicans are in power. They may find themselves having to do some actual work. 

Yeah, but.

Until then, when the creek dries up and the mule meat is gone, they can go into town and occupoop the Square until someone gives them some scraps to go away.