The Constitution is our (encampment) permit, it knows no curfew.

[Freeper]

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The Constitution is our (encampment) permit, it knows no curfew.   Updated at 6:21 PM
   
Edited on Sat Oct-29-11 07:23 PM by Fire Walk With Me
Is this literally a fight for the First Amendment? I know that the Tennessee judge released arrested protesters, and the ACLU are taking interest, and Naomi Wolf says this crap about permits is just crap...should I even voice this in question form: Have we lost our First Amendment rights and are we actually directly fighting for the Constitution itself?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2210113

Too bad you don't feel the same way about the second amendment.

[Skul]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2210113

Too bad you don't feel the same way about the second amendment.

Good luck with that.
May as well pitch in the fourth and tenth.
The tenth is already been usurped.

[miskie]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2210113

Too bad you don't feel the same way about the second amendment.

I can think of many examples where Democrats have firearms without permits. They use them to hold up convenience stores, perform car jackings, rapes, kidnappings, and murders.

[Freeper]

I can think of many examples where Democrats have firearms without permits. They use them to hold up convenience stores, perform car jackings, rapes, kidnappings, and murders.

True, but the point is they don't grasp the concept of the right to bear arms, meanwhile they read between the lines and come up with all kinds of things, like abortion, that they swear is in there.

[miskie]

True, but the point is they don't grasp the concept of the right to bear arms, meanwhile they read between the lines and come up with all kinds of things, like abortion, that they swear is in there.

Thats because our reptilian freeper brains are incapable of nuance.... Or something like that....

[GCBill]

The Constitution is our (encampment) permit, it knows no curfew?

Is that anything like ?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

And the 2nd Amendment is my concealed carry permit.

And the 10th Amendment says I can ignore ObamaCare.

And the 1st Amendment says people can take Bibles to school.

Not that that ever mattered to you little assholes.

[Fire, Walk With Me]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2210113

Too bad you don't feel the same way about the second amendment.

Why would you imagine that I feel that way about the Second Amendment, when, although I am not personally interested in guns, I would defend it alongside the First? You do not know me.

My post was regarding acceptance that the First Amendment is dead and buried. You still have your guns, Tea Partiers even gather in public and protest with them, but we cannot gather and give mere voice, to address our grievances regarding the greed which has trashed the economy. It is obvious now that doing so gets one tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, shot with rubber bullets and sting rounds, arrested, etc. In #Occupy Oakland's case, over and over, as they return to express their First Amendment rights.

It is my desire to raise a little awareness over the obvious loss of this part of the Constitution, and to perhaps suggest a meaningful soundbite toward its reinstatement. Who knows, if the Second were removed, I might be even more alarmed, because the obvious conclusion regarding its meaning would be even more sinister and most especially, even more immediate.

These issues effect all of us.

Thank you and good night.

[LC EFA]

Why would you imagine that I feel that way about the Second Amendment, when, although I am not personally interested in guns, I would defend it alongside the First? You do not know me.

My post was regarding acceptance that the First Amendment is dead and buried. You still have your guns, Tea Partiers even gather in public and protest with them, but we cannot gather and give mere voice, to address our grievances regarding the greed which has trashed the economy. It is obvious now that doing so gets one tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, shot with rubber bullets and sting rounds, arrested, etc. In #Occupy Oakland's case, over and over, as they return to express their First Amendment rights.

It is my desire to raise a little awareness over the obvious loss of this part of the Constitution, and to perhaps suggest a meaningful soundbite toward its reinstatement. Who knows, if the Second were removed, I might be even more alarmed, because the obvious conclusion regarding its meaning would be even more sinister and most especially, even more immediate.

These issues effect all of us.

Thank you and good night.

Perhaps if you were to take some pointers from the "Tea Party" movement - you'd understand.

The First protects the right to peaceably assemble and the right to freedom of speech and the press. It doesn't give you carte blanch right to act like assholes , nor does it allow you to filth up public spaces or ignore other laws as you see fit.

I'd like to see the left recognise the right of free exercise of religion also stated in the First (before you ask - I'm agnostic; not Christian), and the freedom of speech in cases where you disagree with the message or are "offended" by the content or terms used in the discussion.

BTW - Kudos on having the spine to show up here and respond in a civilised manner. Welcome to the forum.

[Splashdown]

wait.

The First Amendment allows for public defecation? Attempted Rape? Public masturbation? Disorderly conduct? Using illegal substances?

Wow. I've been reading it wrong all these years, apparently.

[miskie]

Why would you imagine that I feel that way about the Second Amendment, when, although I am not personally interested in guns, I would defend it alongside the First? You do not know me.

My post was regarding acceptance that the First Amendment is dead and buried. You still have your guns, Tea Partiers even gather in public and protest with them, but we cannot gather and give mere voice, to address our grievances regarding the greed which has trashed the economy. It is obvious now that doing so gets one tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, shot with rubber bullets and sting rounds, arrested, etc. In #Occupy Oakland's case, over and over, as they return to express their First Amendment rights.

It is my desire to raise a little awareness over the obvious loss of this part of the Constitution, and to perhaps suggest a meaningful soundbite toward its reinstatement. Who knows, if the Second were removed, I might be even more alarmed, because the obvious conclusion regarding its meaning would be even more sinister and most especially, even more immediate.

These issues effect all of us.

Thank you and good night.

Differences :

TEA Party organizers attained permits -- OWS has gotten almost none.
TEA Party events last as long as permits allow -- OWS events are indefinite.
TEA Party events do not contain nor condone illegal activities -- OWS events have become defined by them.
TEA Party events stay contained within the boundaries defined by the permit -- OWS go where they please, and when they please.


--I see how they are absolutely alike...  

There is also an irony about the two of them - TEA Party members dislike excessive government taxation and involvement in things they shouldn't be part of, yet they follow the government's rules until they can be changed. OWS demands more government intervention in private matters, yet they have no problem breaking any laws they disagree with.


--And one more thing --

When are you OWS folks going to Occupy The White House ? Because the Obama administration supports the very institutions you disagree with - Remember 'Too Big To Fail' and how you were all pissy that the TEA Partiers would rather see these big banks fail than be saved by the Great and Powerful O, and that TEA Partiers would sink the country into depression ?

Obama then used bailout funds to keep these banking giants alive, and installed his own team within them to insure they are run his way-- And now you have a problem with it..

If these banks would have been allowed to fail, the pieces would have become smaller, more nimble institutions that would have competed with each other for survival, and in the process they would have done what was necessary to attract consumers.

In other words - If the big companies were allowed to fail, there would be no OWS today. So - Until you are all camped outside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, I do not find your movement legitimate - as you refuse to target the greatest source of your problems.

Though I do suspect that if Obama loses - Your folks will be outside the White House the day after the new President is inaugurated

-- And one Hi5 from me for having the guts to come here and defend your position.

[AprilRazz]

Why would you imagine that I feel that way about the Second Amendment, when, although I am not personally interested in guns, I would defend it alongside the First? You do not know me.

My post was regarding acceptance that the First Amendment is dead and buried. You still have your guns, Tea Partiers even gather in public and protest with them, but we cannot gather and give mere voice, to address our grievances regarding the greed which has trashed the economy. It is obvious now that doing so gets one tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, shot with rubber bullets and sting rounds, arrested, etc. In #Occupy Oakland's case, over and over, as they return to express their First Amendment rights.

It is my desire to raise a little awareness over the obvious loss of this part of the Constitution, and to perhaps suggest a meaningful soundbite toward its reinstatement. Who knows, if the Second were removed, I might be even more alarmed, because the obvious conclusion regarding its meaning would be even more sinister and most especially, even more immediate.

These issues effect all of us.

Thank you and good night.

The first amendment does not give you the right to throw rocks at cops.

[Carl]

Why would you imagine that I feel that way about the Second Amendment, when, although I am not personally interested in guns, I would defend it alongside the First? You do not know me.

My post was regarding acceptance that the First Amendment is dead and buried. You still have your guns, Tea Partiers even gather in public and protest with them, but we cannot gather and give mere voice, to address our grievances regarding the greed which has trashed the economy. It is obvious now that doing so gets one tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, shot with rubber bullets and sting rounds, arrested, etc. In #Occupy Oakland's case, over and over, as they return to express their First Amendment rights.

It is my desire to raise a little awareness over the obvious loss of this part of the Constitution, and to perhaps suggest a meaningful soundbite toward its reinstatement. Who knows, if the Second were removed, I might be even more alarmed, because the obvious conclusion regarding its meaning would be even more sinister and most especially, even more immediate.

These issues effect all of us.

Thank you and good night.

Then explain why those on the left and the OWS people are always demanding more and more regulations,in this case on financial institutions yet they feel they are not bound by regulations regarding gatherings as it relates to public safety and peoples ability to freely go on with their lives.

In short you are simple minded children that want all rules to cater to your every whim and jealousy.
When that doesn`t happen you do what children do,react with anger and violence it is the almost certain outcome of a leftist gathering.

You accuse the right of hate speech and somehow causing violence yet you posted that on DU,a message board that daily calls for the killing of those that have more then them.
See the thread here dedicated to one of the DUmps heros,undergroundpanther.
It is nothing but hatred.

You people are a joke,you live in the greatest country in the world and despite an America hating President who is trying to reduce us to third world status still holds the best opportunity for success there is.
What do you ****ing do to take advantage of that?
Not a damn thing other then fuss and whine about how unfair life has been to you.

Big deal,life is not "fair" to any of us at times but those of us who are conservative have emotionally matured to be able to understand that fact,live our lives accordingly and make the best of it.

No,I will never be rich nor do I care,I do what I need to be comfortable and am happy for that,I don`t give a crap about what someone else has that I don`t.
You and your ilk on the other hand revel and celebrate misery,it is all you yearn for and what you accept as destiny.
That makes you desire everyone else share that with you.

You disgust me.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Another internet pigeon ("The rats of the sky") swoops to drop a load of enlightenment.

[GOBUCKS]

Don't encourage a DUmpmonkey.
They are, without exception, vermin.

[Freeper]

Why would you imagine that I feel that way about the Second Amendment, when, although I am not personally interested in guns, I would defend it alongside the First? You do not know me.

My post was regarding acceptance that the First Amendment is dead and buried. You still have your guns, Tea Partiers even gather in public and protest with them, but we cannot gather and give mere voice, to address our grievances regarding the greed which has trashed the economy. It is obvious now that doing so gets one tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, shot with rubber bullets and sting rounds, arrested, etc. In #Occupy Oakland's case, over and over, as they return to express their First Amendment rights.

It is my desire to raise a little awareness over the obvious loss of this part of the Constitution, and to perhaps suggest a meaningful soundbite toward its reinstatement. Who knows, if the Second were removed, I might be even more alarmed, because the obvious conclusion regarding its meaning would be even more sinister and most especially, even more immediate.

These issues effect all of us.

Thank you and good night.

You are not simply gathering and having your voices heard, you are occupying public places, committing crimes in those public places, crimes such as not following the no camping rules, using illegal drugs, hell people are probably even smoking tobacco and using salt on their food, which according to Bloomberg is a really bad thing.

[AprilRazz]

You are not simply gathering and having your voices heard, you are occupying public places, committing crimes in those public places, crimes such as not following the no camping rules, using illegal drugs, hell people are probably even smoking tobacco and using salt on their food, which according to Bloomberg is a really bad thing.

Poor Bloomie. If he has to keep spending taxpayer money on cops and stuff for this what will he have left for frivolous lawsuits against lawful business owners in other states?

[Vagabond]

Why would you imagine that I feel that way about the Second Amendment, when, although I am not personally interested in guns, I would defend it alongside the First? You do not know me.

My post was regarding acceptance that the First Amendment is dead and buried. You still have your guns, Tea Partiers even gather in public and protest with them, but we cannot gather and give mere voice, to address our grievances regarding the greed which has trashed the economy. It is obvious now that doing so gets one tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, shot with rubber bullets and sting rounds, arrested, etc. In #Occupy Oakland's case, over and over, as they return to express their First Amendment rights.

It is my desire to raise a little awareness over the obvious loss of this part of the Constitution, and to perhaps suggest a meaningful soundbite toward its reinstatement. Who knows, if the Second were removed, I might be even more alarmed, because the obvious conclusion regarding its meaning would be even more sinister and most especially, even more immediate.

These issues effect all of us.

Thank you and good night.

By the way, you do know how Skinner feels about his inmates posting here, right?  Also notice that you haven't been banned yet unlike a conservative at Skinner's isle o' misfits.

As for the rest of it, the tea party doesn't trash the place shut down local business and attack the cops. 

You did know that occupy Oakland was protecting a rapist and preventing medical care to at least one rape victim and one assault victim.  It's all in what you do and condone.

[Wineslob]

http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_19227239


For anyone that does not believe that the "Occupiers" get their voice heard, it's more like they get the rules bent for them.

[USA4ME]

Fire, Walk With Me

... but we cannot gather and give mere voice, to address our grievances regarding the greed which has trashed the economy.

If you really believe that's what's happening then sure you can.  Just behave like normal, rational humans.  The Tea Party conducted themselves in an upright manner.  Granted, the overwhelming majority of them were middle age and older adults, unlike the majority of the OWSers who are younger (with a few older, yet mentally younger, mixed in reliving their 60's experiences), so as young people they don't have the maturity to know how to conduct themselves.  But they could observe and at least try to learn.

It is obvious now that doing so gets one tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, shot with rubber bullets and sting rounds, arrested, etc.

No, it's not obvious.  Law enforcement in the SF Bay area have been having to deal with this for 40-50 years now, at minimum.  They've learned over time when they have to step it up before these protest groups start hurting themselves, others, and destroying public and private property.

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[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

FWWM flirted with my mole a while back.

[wasp69]

Kudos for registering and posting outside of $kinners hive.  Bitchslap for being a one and done coward.

Why would you imagine that I feel that way about the Second Amendment, when, although I am not personally interested in guns

You're a liberal and a DUmmie, that's all we need to know.

You do not know me.

See above.

My post was regarding acceptance that the First Amendment is dead and buried.

Considering you and your filthy lib brethren were/have/are continuing to post the most vile and hateful things against those elected officials who disagree with you in the open without being jailed and/or executed, your petty little rant about the First Amendment being "dead and buried" is just that:  A petty little rant that has no grounding in actual reality.

You still have your guns

No thanks to you bed-wetters.

Tea Partiers even gather in public and protest with them

Hardly, DUmbass.  But, even if law abiding citizens decided to show up en masse armed, they wouldn't be threatening the police nor would they be intimidating local businesses.  Unlike your little group of hooligans, the TEA Party are rightfully exercising their right of peaceful assembly instead of threatening individuals with guillotines.

but we cannot gather and give mere voice, to address our grievances regarding the greed which has trashed the economy. It is obvious now that doing so gets one tear-gassed, pepper-sprayed, shot with rubber bullets and sting rounds, arrested, etc. In #Occupy Oakland's case, over and over, as they return to express their First Amendment rights.

No where, and I do mean no where, in the United States Constitution are you guaranteed the "right" to forcibly occupy public or private land.  No where, DUmbass.

I will tell you this, though, there are several places in the United States Constitution where we are allowed to defend ourselves and our property against forced occupation.  Believe me when I say to you, DUmbass, that there are many of us prepared to do just that. 

Perhaps you may have been too busy jerking off or writing love letters to Abbie Hoffman during civics class when the history of why certain amendments are in the Constitution due to British occupation and the stomping of its subjects in the former Colonies was taught.

It is my desire to raise a little awareness over the obvious loss of this part of the Constitution, and to perhaps suggest a meaningful soundbite toward its reinstatement.

 

No, DUmbass, it's not.  It is your "desire" to stamp your feet, hold out your hands, and demand that they be filled at someone else's expense.  The First Amendment is alive and well, the TEA Party proved that, stupid.  The only thing that might come out of you heathen scum and your fit will be power hungry liberals seeking to further limit our rights for our own good and protection.  Talk about working "against your own best interest".

 

Who knows, if the Second were removed, I might be even more alarmed, because the obvious conclusion regarding its meaning would be even more sinister and most especially, even more immediate.

Pull the other leg, DUmbass, it plays "Jingle Bells". 



I highly doubt you'd see any problems with repeal of the Second Amendment since you and your comrades at the DUmp would be too busy celebrating your "victory" over the "right-wing" rednecks and their horrible "gun culture".  You wouldn't realize how stupid you were at not protecting everyone's right to self defense until it was your turn to have your head ventilated at the side of a ditch by your benevolent leftist masters. 

Stupid, insipid, blind, emotionally stunted, arrogant fools (such as yourself) never think past the next step.

These issues effect all of us.

 



Us?  Who is this "us" that you speak of, DUmbass? 

I am one of the 53% that pays for your lobster and bong hits, progtard.  It would be in your best interest to at the very least stay out of my way so I can go to work and support your sorry asses.