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'We can't wait': Obama to use executive authority to boost economy as Republicans dither on jobs   Updated at 10:00 PM
   
'We can't wait': Obama to use executive authority to boost economy as Republicans dither on jobs

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With his jobs plan stymied in Congress by Republican opposition, President Obama on Monday will begin a series of executive-branch actions to confront housing, education and other economic problems over the coming months, heralded by a new mantra: “We can’t wait” for lawmakers to act.

According to an administration official, Mr. Obama will kick off his new offensive in Las Vegas, ground zero of the housing bust, by promoting new rules for federally guaranteed mortgages so that more homeowners, those with little or no equity in their homes, can refinance and avert foreclosure.

And Wednesday in Denver, the official said, Mr. Obama will announce policy changes to ease college graduates’ repayment of federal loans, seeking to alleviate the financial concerns of students considering college at a time when states are raising tuition.

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An Obama administration official says President Barack Obama will announce new rules Monday to help homeowners with little or no equity in their homes refinance their mortgages to avoid foreclosures.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/24/us/politics/jobs-plan...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/24/1029465/-We-ca...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2175588

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With his jobs plan stymied in Congress by Republican opposition,

Funny no mention of the democrats who are opposing this, it's all the republican's fault.  :whatever:
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I thought it was the democratICS in the senate?!?  This head fake won't fly with the public DUmmies.

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I thought it was the democratICS in the senate?!?  This head fake won't fly with the public DUmmies.

They keep trying it though. Still no clue in left land of just what the internet allows us to do in regards to their lies. They act like it is still the 1970s when there was total and complete control of all media by the libtards where they could get away with this kinda of lying to the public. it doesn't work that way any longer, and the left still hasn't figured this out.

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We can't wait either..........For Nobama to leave.
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So let me get this straight -- Obama is helping homeowners by allowing homeowners who are not late on their mortgage (not one late in the past year or you do not qualify) refinance without the necessary 20% equity in their property.

How does that help the DU misfits/progressive again?    Ah, it doesn't.    Hmmmmm, curious.

I can't find any specifics on the student loan proposal, but he can only affect regulations with executive orders -- he can't forgive them as that would take an act of Congress.   


I have a feeling this will be a mediocre dog and pony when it all washes out. 





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So let me get this straight -- Obama is helping homeowners by allowing homeowners who are not late on their mortgage (not one late in the past year or you do not qualify) refinance without the necessary 20% equity in their property.

How does that help the DU misfits/progressive again?    Ah, it doesn't.    Hmmmmm, curious.

I can't find any specifics on the student loan proposal, but he can only affect regulations with executive orders -- he can't forgive them as that would take an act of Congress.   


I have a feeling this will be a mediocre dog and pony when it all washes out. 







I also heard that the loan must be a Fanny or Freddie loan. I'm sure that after careful consideration, and several progress payments to the bank(s), most of these will also be denied.
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As Peter Morici remarked on FoxNews this morning, if I was a Citibank I'd stay the Hell away from any of underwater loan financing.  Short interview and he may have had something else in mind, but as I see it even if the President really had the authority to guarantee these loans (I don't believe so), it is only setting up the banks for a huge black eye when they have to call in the marker on that guarantee later, as they inevitably will, and it will demand an equally huge bailout when Freddie and Fannie have to make good on those guarantees. 
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I'm filing a copyright for the "We Can't Wait" slogan so half of Obama's campaign funds will be mine!

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Couple of factual errors in the article.

1) Republicans didn't stop Obama's job plan by themselves.  It didn't pass the Senate, either.
2) Republicans aren't dithering.  They have plans, they just know that Obama has already promised to not sign any of them.


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This from a guy who said that the military needs to 'pay their fair share'. ::)
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Congratulations, everyone! Our great, great grandchildren have just become unwitting co-signers on DUmmie mortgages.
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All of these dumb plans go nowhere.  His last scheme, nobody qualified for, with the laundry list of requirements to qualify.  For this one, you have to be up to date on your payments, so you're not even in trouble yet. 

And yeah, DAT, I saw that interview this morning.  The banks have to play along, and they're probably in no mood. 

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Bill Ayers must have written this piece of crap for Obama too.
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Bill Ayers must have written this piece of crap for Obama too.
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0bama's last debt ridden stimulus plan lost a net 2.5 million jobs.  America can't afford to go half trillion farther into debt and lose another 1.5 million jobs...but that's his plan.  The question, is it on purpose or just inexperience and incompetence?

Thanks to all for the bipartisan opposition to another horrendous plan by the SCOAMF.
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Congratulations, everyone! Our great, great grandchildren have just become unwitting co-signers on DUmmie mortgages.

Oh, for heaven's sake, the housing market WILL go up again. Sheesh, keep paying and knock down that balance with a little extra each month. When housing is up again you'll have more equity.

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Oh, for heaven's sake, the housing market WILL go up again. Sheesh, keep paying and knock down that balance with a little extra each month. When housing is up again you'll have more equity.

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Not necessarily. The housing market was artificially inflated by politics and shady banking. The homes that are currently upside down should've never been valued that high to begin with. As for me, I'm 37 and only have 10 months left on my mortgage. I've made sacrifices to get to the financial position that I'm in (no vacations, drive a 15 year old car, etc.). The market has to be allowed to correct itself naturally. All this plan does is keep prices artificially inflated to give the appearance that all is well befor the next election, but the longer we put off the correction, the worse it's going to be. Unfortunately, Obama is putting taxpayers on the hook for the correction.
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Oh, for heaven's sake, the housing market WILL go up again. Sheesh, keep paying and knock down that balance with a little extra each month. When housing is up again you'll have more equity.

Cindie

Housing prices could rise only very slowly from their current levels for a rather long time.  However, if you keep paying your existing mortgage, you will indeed greatly increase your equity.
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Not necessarily. The housing market was artificially inflated by politics and shady banking. The homes that are currently upside down should've never been valued that high to begin with. As for me, I'm 37 and only have 10 months left on my mortgage. I've made sacrifices to get to the financial position that I'm in (no vacations, drive a 15 year old car, etc.). The market has to be allowed to correct itself naturally. All this plan does is keep prices artificially inflated to give the appearance that all is well befor the next election, but the longer we put off the correction, the worse it's going to be. Unfortunately, Obama is putting taxpayers on the hook for the correction.

Agreed, but in many instances the buyers should have known better. I still don't get the buying hysteria of the mid 2000's.  :???:
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I received this info yesterday in the TN Association of REaltors newsletter....

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2. New Program To Help Underwater Owners

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The federal government on Monday announced new rules that would allow many more struggling borrowers to refinance their mortgages at today's ultra-low rates, reducing monthly payments for some homeowners and potentially providing a modest boost to the economy.
The Federal Housing Finance Agency, working with the Obama administration, said that up to 1 million "underwater" borrowers might benefit from an expanded program that targets homeowners who owe more than their properties are worth.

But the program might not have a major impact on the economy. There are about 11 million underwater borrowers in the country. And under an illustrative example provided by FHFA, borrowers might reduce their payments by just $26 per month; the Obama administration is touting savings of up to $200 per month. It will depend on the fees charged to borrowers for taking part in the program.
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When homeowner's go to apply for the loan modification, they are in for a real shock.

One - it isn't free to refinance a mortgage.

Two - those charges to refinance are going to be added in to their monthly mortgage payment, putting it back up there. 

Three - if any of them are not currently paying their taxes and insurance because their current loan is less than 80% of the value of the house, and the modification makes the loan over 80% of the value, they will HAVE to pay a monthly amount to cover the taxes and insurance (here it's 15-20% of the monthly payment depending on if one lives in city or county) and the homeowner could end up paying more than they already are.

Four - SURPRISE!!! If it sounds too good to be true...it usually is.

Big question is....will the media report the truth,  when (ok IF) it comes out, that yet another idea of Obama's sucks?
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Agreed, but in many instances the buyers should have known better. I still don't get the buying hysteria of the mid 2000's.  :???:
Agreed. When I bought my house, I paid $132K for it (2001). I had $32K to put down and wanted a 15 year mortgage for the $100K. After looking over our financials, the mortgage broker said that he could qualify us for $250 on the mortgage, meaning we could get a $280K house. He was pretty persistent that we "didn't really want that little $132K house when we qualified for the $280K house." It eventually boiled down to me saying "Look, I want $100K for 15 years and we have perfect credit. We can either do this deal or I'll go down the street and find someone else who will." That's the shady banking I'm talking about. That guy didn't give a shit if we got foreclosed on later or if we had to sell blood and eat ramen noodles to keep current on the payments. He just saw the opportunity to  more than double his commission for selling the loan. There's no telling how many DUmmies he talked into taking on loans that they couldn't afford.
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Four - SURPRISE!!! If it sounds too good to be true...it usually is.

That's pretty much how I see it...of course it depends on the buyer's present rate and situation, but given the requirement for being current on the mortgage, it just doesn't seem like this is going to save all that many people who are in real danger of losing their homes, just represent a modest monthly payment decrease but at the cost of all the normal refinancing expenses. 

I guess it would help some people who are facing doom when a looming balloon payment comes due on an underwater house, but I'm not sure that translates to a particularly large number of borrowers.
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That's pretty much how I see it...of course it depends on the buyer's present rate and situation, but given the requirement for being current on the mortgage, it just doesn't seem like this is going to save all that many people who are in real danger of losing their homes, just represent a modest monthly payment decrease but at the cost of all the normal refinancing expenses. 

I guess it would help some people who are facing doom when a looming balloon payment comes due on an underwater house, but I'm not sure that translates to a particularly large number of borrowers.

I doubt there are many who still have ARM's to come due. Most buyers did one or two year ARM's and those would have come due by now, because most lenders stopped ARMs in 2008(?). I had 3 5yr ones and they worked out great for me. Even if there are still some out there, the interest rates are so much lower now, they will probably not get the reduction (banks don't like to reduce  :censored: ) but neither will they get an increase as the ARM interest would most likely be the one locked in.

The only ones I can see this helping, are people who are way upside down in their home value, just because of market conditions, not because they have had financial problems. Or someone who has lost their job - or job transfer and can't sell their house- or spousal income due to divorce, illness or death. Most importantly that they have not yet missed a payment.

Most people that are trying for loan modification, have missed one payment...and while they are trying to get their lender to adjust their payments, the lender's foreclosure department has already started the foreclosure process.

The other bad thing about people who are going through loan modification....they make the reduced payment for 3-6 months, in order for final approval. HOWEVER, and most important....is during this time, the homeowner is actually in default because they are not making the full payment!!! It's incredibly screwy! The entire time the homeowner receives nasty letters from the foreclosure dept of their lender. One couple I know that went through it last year (he's a realtor, and she's a restaurant manager) were terrified they would lose their house, even though they were doing exactly what the loan modification dept was telling them to do, they were getting a letter at least every other week then every week for 6 MONTHS from the foreclosure department!! It finally worked out, and they were able to get a reduced interest rate (what they were asking for - not a lowering of the loan amount), but she was a basket case in the meantime.

The banks could have stopped all this "under water" issue months - years - ago, if they had been willing to work with homeowners, instead of going straight to foreclosure, and giving themselves huge tax write-offs (losses)!!!!! The whole thing is a vicious cycle that is only getting worse because of continued foreclosures, short sales, or people just turning their keys over in lieu of deed.

A woman I work with at JTV and also is an agent in my office, just lost her husband in July due to a combination of Alzheimer's and he then had a stroke in June. They had already downsized to a nice 3br condo, that she could manage rather than the big house they had, when she had to put him in assisted living after the stroke. After he died, she found out, that he had done "something" with all their investments, his retirement, life insurance... he'd had the Alzheimer's symptoms for abt 3 yrs. She now has to move, but can't sell the condo for what they paid for it a couple of years ago!! And because she is just turning 59 in December, she can't collect his SS until she turns 62 (if it's still available!) and their income has been reduced 2/3's. After 30 yrs of marriage, and a comfortable life....she's now screwed.

A friend's parents relocated from KY to down near Chattanooga. They've had their house in KY, on the market for almost 2.5 YEARS and can't sell it. They are now turning it over to the bank in lieu of deed, because they can't continue to make the payment their and on the property in TN that they have had for many years (it's a family farm) and they are just giving up whatever equity there is on the property in KY which is the only reason it supposedly isn't going to affect their credit. I will be surprised if it doesn't have a credit affect even though the bank is telling them it won't.

A guy I work with, is giving his house back in AL because it hasn't sold in 2 yrs. He had rented it out on a lease purchase when he moved up here about 4 years ago and the renter then couldn't get loan approval because they couldn't put 10% down. He then had a short sale contract, but after 6 months, couldn't get the bank to agree to it. Now he's giving it back rather than go through the foreclosure process, because it won't be as bad on his credit. 

The more houses that go into foreclosure because people can't sell their home - because of market conditions whether it be a saturated market(there is a 3.5 YEAR housing supply on the market right now in my area), or houses are selling for tens of thousands of dollars less than what the homeowner paid for them, or they are competing against houses that were foreclosed on then purchased by investors and totally renovated (hard to compete against at fair market price) or too many foreclosures available within a specific radius of one's home - the market is only going to continue to deteriorate.

"Obama's Plan" might look good to some, but it's only good as far as words being said, in reality it's just another scam to benefit the banks and not benefit any homeowner who's in trouble, or for that matter the homeowner who can afford his payments as long as nothing - absolutely nothing - changes in his life (job, health, marital situation, children). How many people never have changes in their lives? Not many. All one has to do is read what happens to CC members and we are just a very small percentage of the general population, to realize that changes happen every day.

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