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Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« on: October 18, 2011, 06:31:46 PM »
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Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition, and pass on this msg. further. Thanks.   Updated at 10:48 AM
   
Edited on Tue Oct-18-11 10:51 AM by Cal33
This is a most important petition calling for forgiveness of student loan debt ? a step that will
suddenly give new workers thousands of dollars more to spend for their daily necessities. There are
millions of former students still paying their load debts and can barely make their ends meet. The
forgiveness of their loan debts will stimulate the economy immediately.

The petition has over 450,000 signatures so far, making it one of the fastest-growing petitions we've seen in years. Will you help us get to over 500,000 signatures by signing ? and then sharing it with your friends?

http://www.moveon.org/r?r=263764&id=32074-18108948-m1U2...



Thanks!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2139083

Just yesterday some bonehead at DUmmyland was griping that the student loan forgiveness made them look like freeloaders, today they are signing petitions for it.

If you look at the link, it stems from moveon.org, that means Soros has his fingerprints all over it, grass roots movement my ass!


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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2011, 06:36:03 PM »
Worthless bitches... man up and pay your ****ing bills like everybody else.

I have a former classmate on FB.  We took the same classes, we have the same bills.  He makes twice as much as I do and his company paid for half his tuition, but he's the one crying for free shit.

**** you.
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2011, 06:38:49 PM »
Worthless bitches... man up and pay your ****ing bills like everybody else.

I have a former classmate on FB.  We took the same classes, we have the same bills.  He makes twice as much as I do and his company paid for half his tuition, but he's the one crying for free shit.

**** you.

Funny how that works, the more free stuff that we give liberals, the more they demand.
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2011, 06:42:18 PM »
Funny how that works, the more free stuff that we give liberals, the more they demand.
And he's a UAW member.  Go figure.  He's a nice guy, but he's a caricature of a no-neck union thug.
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2011, 06:50:56 PM »
Funny how that works, the more free stuff that we give liberals, the more they demand.

As a kid my uneducated daddy used to tell me, "The more you do for some people the more they expect you to do for them." 
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2011, 07:10:51 PM »
I like the selection of the word "forgive" which when translated from liberal newspeak means "make the taxpayer pay for it".

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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 09:24:54 PM »
Get F***ED! I read about a jackass who racked up almost 100k in student loans to get a degree in photography. AND DIDN'T EVEN GET IT AFTER YEARS OF SCREWING AROUND! Piss up a rope and use all those fancy cameras to make money. You better go for porn because coffee table books of barns don't sell well.
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2011, 09:27:34 PM »
Get F***ED! I read about a jackass who racked up almost 100k in student loans to get a degree in photography. AND DIDN'T EVEN GET IT AFTER YEARS OF SCREWING AROUND! Piss up a rope and use all those fancy cameras to make money. You better go for porn because coffee table books of barns don't sell well.

They may not where you live, but those books are big items here.  In fact, so are tours of historic barns. http://www.piattmuseum.org/home/2011/9/1/piatt-county-barn-tour-2011.html

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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2011, 09:35:45 PM »
They may not where you live, but those books are big items here.  In fact, so are tours of historic barns. http://www.piattmuseum.org/home/2011/9/1/piatt-county-barn-tour-2011.html

Wow. I have to admit it doesn't sound like a bad way to spend a fall day. At least for the first 15 miles. 30 sounds a bit long.
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2011, 09:46:20 PM »
Wow. I have to admit it doesn't sound like a bad way to spend a fall day. At least for the first 15 miles. 30 sounds a bit long.
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 11:20:49 PM »
I have a cousin who's a professional student.....at 37! She has a Bachelor's Degree, numerous Master's Degrees, and is currently trying to get into a PhD program. We had a bit of a tiff on Facebook a few weeks back because she was supporting this whole "forgive student loans" crap. Well, considering she's $140,000 in the hole and a raging leftist, it doesn't really surprise me. Screw her. Mrs. Tantal went to Texas Christian University (hella expensive) and we're still paying for it. The difference is that Mrs. Tantal acquired an actual skill (nursing) that allows us the income to make the payment. Half of these assclowns got Women's Studies or African American Poetry (RAP) degrees from Ivy League schools and now wonder why they can't find a job.
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2011, 12:57:55 AM »
Forgive your student loans, DUmmie?  Sure--on one condition.  You now are taking the job of an illegal immigrant at the same wage and same hours they worked until your debt is paid off.

Have fun.
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 03:48:14 AM »
Forgive your student loans, DUmmie?  Sure--on one condition.  You now are taking the job of an illegal immigrant at the same wage and same hours they worked until your debt is paid off.

Have fun.

I'd support that program especially if the illegal is immediately deported.

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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2011, 07:10:47 AM »
I have a cousin who's a professional student.....at 37! She has a Bachelor's Degree, numerous Master's Degrees, and is currently trying to get into a PhD program. We had a bit of a tiff on Facebook a few weeks back because she was supporting this whole "forgive student loans" crap. Well, considering she's $140,000 in the hole and a raging leftist, it doesn't really surprise me. Screw her. Mrs. Tantal went to Texas Christian University (hella expensive) and we're still paying for it. The difference is that Mrs. Tantal acquired an actual skill (nursing) that allows us the income to make the payment. Half of these assclowns got Women's Studies or African American Poetry (RAP) degrees from Ivy League schools and now wonder why they can't find a job.

Hey, you got to have college degrees for the special ed students. Why should the kids riding the short bus not get milked for a few dollars too?
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2011, 07:13:43 AM »
Forgive your student loans, DUmmie?  Sure--on one condition.  You now are taking the job of an illegal immigrant at the same wage and same hours they worked until your debt is paid off.

Have fun.

I'd get behind that.  H5.
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2011, 07:45:27 AM »
I signed the petition under the name of Freeloading Doosh.  Wonder if they'll scrub it.

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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2011, 08:36:26 AM »
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73. Horrible idea
 That money wasn't created by banks out of thin air. It came from depositors which include, on bulk, ordinary people's savings and checking.

That money was loaned from your checking account on the assumption the borrower would pay it back before you went out to buy groceries and pay the heating bill or make employee payroll. There will be no "debt forgiveness" only debt-shifting. Maybe the people making loans will get more money back to spend elsewhere but the threshhold banks use to remain sufficiently capitalized will take a serious hit.

What will make it worse is once people learn their deposits are being loaned out with no chance of repayment they will stop depositing in banks, period.

The only option after that is to make up the difference using the federal printing press. Print too much money or issue so many bonds that people doubt the government's ability to repay and you will have A) hyper-inflation or B) hyper-interest rates, which is just hyper-inflation one-step removed. That will chew-up whatever end-user savings you envision and it will hurt everyone just to pretended to have benefitted a few.

Look, I understand. I have roughly $20,000 in debt for my degree in English and literature. Could I use that money back every month? Heck yeah! I'm an admin assistant. It's not glamorous (although my boss is pretty cool for an old guy) and truth be told I wouldn't have any job prospects if my MBA-toting employer could write better but he's a horrible writer and so he pays me lots of money to make him look smart (and other duties I've since assumed). I'm lucky. I'm also lucky I don't have to work as my husband's income would support us nicely; but he works like an animal to do it.

As nice as it sounds, if you borrowed $100 from a guy he isn't going to just up and forget you promised to give him $105 back by the end of the month, especially since the $100 you borrowed came from some other guy's paycheck and that guy was saving for his kid's college.

She's making too much sense for the DUmp on that thread. 

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39. There needn't be two polarized sides.
 Credit card debt, mortgages, student loans -- most people have one of those. We've been encouraged to rack up debt in lieu of wage increases for forty years. FORTY YEARS. A write down of all three would include many Americans.
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What does that look like?  Boss:  I'm sorry, we can't really afford salary increases at this time.  What I can do for you though, is give you the afternoon off to go on a shopping spree.  Be sure to use your own Mastercard! 

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Also in case you don't know it, debt forgiveness is taxable income in the year of the forgiveness so you will be giving the students an federal and state income tax liability.

I don't think this was thought through well enough.
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97. Not a chance. I've paid back every penny (plus interest) of every loan I've ever taken out.
 Why shouldn't they?

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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2011, 09:15:55 AM »
Just a little math...

There's about $900 billion in US student loan debt outstanding.  So to forgive it all and not crater banks and holders of student loans, the government (taxpayers) will need to pick up the tab.  If enacted next year, it does nothing for the $95 billion of student loans that will be made each year thereafter.  So to make those "free" as well, we're talking about another entitlement program roughly a quarter the size of medicare.  Not to mention, since Obama and Co. have nationalized the student loan industry (directly causing about ten thousand job losses with one swoop of the pen), you will have a single funder of college tuition.  Not that it bothers me to see the liberal bastions of miseducation hurt by the deal, but it's not capitalistic, and therefore not optimally efficient.  The government will put caps on what Harvard, Yale, etc., can charge kids, which in turn will decrease the amount of capitalism and funding for colleges.  This will lead to a decrease in quality.  Further, if education is free and guaranteed, there will be more enrollment pressure creating a demand for more teachers that cannot be paid because of caps on tuition.  Like public schools, you'll then have the lowest qualified citizens signing up to be college professors.  Money for research, which used to be footed by the capital markets, will be decreased when provided by government, which will no doubt have to triple or quadruple the size of the DOE to manage such a program.  Could be looking at an entitlement program half the size of medicare by the time you're all finished.  Genius.

By forgiving all current student loans, a dozen or so extremely large companies and 1,000 or so medium and small businesses will go under immediately, because all they do is student loans.  Add a few thousand jobs from collection agencies that collect student loans from students who don't repay.  Call it an easy 40,000 people unemployed on day one.  Even if these companies are reimbursed for the forgiven loans, most all of this money would flow through to the investors (who are in large part big banks) because most student loan companies finance student loans with term debt.

Then there are the investors and non-bondholding creditors in these companies.  They bought stock in SLMA, for example and SLMA stock will essentially go away (what's left of it anyway). 

More enrollment pressure means people will attend college that have no business attending college.  This is a waste of resources.  To me, there's nothing wrong with being a welder or electrician.  If you work hard at those professions, opportunity currently exists to still make a lot of money (and there's 100s or 1,000s other professions that don't require a college degree that provide this type of opportunity to someone willing to work very hard).

These people simply want their debt forgiven and I can guarantee you they don't give a flying rat's ass about future students or the taxpayers and job losses that would result.  It shows how absolutely selfish these people are, how stupid they are, and how they completely lack any forethought or broader consideration ability.

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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2011, 03:55:37 PM »
You took out the loans, so pay up!
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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2011, 04:06:48 PM »
Nuclear Unicorn, married to a Lousy Freeper Troll, gives them a piece of her mind:

She's making too much sense for the DUmp on that thread.

Oh my.</frank>

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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2011, 04:22:25 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2139083

Just yesterday some bonehead at DUmmyland was griping that the student loan forgiveness made them look like freeloaders, today they are signing petitions for it.

If you look at the link, it stems from moveon.org, that means Soros has his fingerprints all over it, grass roots movement my ass!




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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2011, 04:51:28 PM »
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...a step that will suddenly give new workers thousands of dollars more to spend for their daily necessities. There are
millions of former students still paying their load debts and can barely make their ends meet...

Yeah, and they'll need all that extra money, to pay for the new taxes they'll get hit with, necessitated by suddenly adding a trillion MORE dollars to the deficit when all those loans are written off. 

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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2011, 06:41:08 PM »
Yeah, and they'll need all that extra money, to pay for the new taxes they'll get hit with, necessitated by suddenly adding a trillion MORE dollars to the deficit when all those loans are written off. 

Moron.

Now. Now.

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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2011, 06:42:37 PM »
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A write down of all three would include many Americans.


Just the ****ing irresponsible ones, Beth.  Then they would go out and make MORE bad life choices and expect to be bailed out yet again.

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Re: Please sign the forgiveness of student loan debt petition
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2011, 08:45:11 PM »
There are few things more intimidating that a freeloader with a petition.

I'll see your freeloader with a petition, and raise you an AUTOLOADER WITH AN EXTENDED MAGAZINE:fuelfire:

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