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hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« on: October 16, 2011, 07:22:45 AM »
hunters occupy franksolich’s place; describe fate of primitives.  Saturday morning when I got up, there were four motor vehicles parked out in the front yard.  It’s been hunting season for quite a while now in Nebraska, but the real hunting season doesn’t start until the last Saturday of October (pheasants) and mid-November (deer).

Probably out for small game—grouse, geese, duck, whatnot, I thought.

So I got dressed, and brewed coffee and started the hot chocolate.

About mid-morning, they showed up at the house.  There were six of them, one of them just a kid, and I knew one of them.  The others were strangers to me, but from this county (a fact one discerns from the license plates of motor vehicles).

I do not own this property, which is way out in the boondocks, the nearest neighbor being six miles away.  The owners, who are very ancient, dating from Calvin Coolidge, live in town and of course are known by nearly everybody in northeastern Nebraska; they are the ones who give permission for others to hunt here.

franksolich simply plays host, giving them a place to get dry and warm, and to have a hot drink or two, after the exertions of the hunt.  It’s not anything I particularly mind, and in fact I encourage it, as having company—especially armed company—around here is a good deterrent to stalking primitives.

The hunter whom I knew (it turned out the others knew me, but I didn’t know them) noticed a telephone recently installed in the dining room, commenting “It’s about time, it’s for your own safety.”  I wearily pointed out the telephone had been installed under duress, required by the owner, and I didn’t see what good it would do me.

“All I can do with it is pick it up, punch ‘911,’ saying something a couple or three times, and that’s it.  I have no idea if the party at the other end gets the message, or knows who I am.

“And besides, I’ve been out here for six years now, and nothing’s ever happened.”

The hunter whom I knew snorted in derision.  “There’s always strange people hanging around here, but you don’t see them because you don’t hear them.” 

After which he related to the others the old hippie who’d spent a few days in the front yard repairing his hippiemobile, and the convey of hippies who’d camped down by the river over the Labor Day holiday.

“The neighbor meets Mrs. Alfred Packer’s Wild Bill” and “Mrs. Alfred Packer does Labor Day” were not spun out of thin air, but rather based, loosely, upon real-life events around here.

“And we’ve all heard of some other, uh, rude awakenings you’ve had,” he added without details.

I pointed out these had been drunks and methamphetamine addicts, not primitives, and hence easier to handle, to get rid of.

Then I thought of a question that had been in the back of mind for some years now.  “You know, primitives are found just about anywhere, including in the reddest of red areas.  They’re rare, but one sees one once in a great while.  But after one sees one just one time, suddenly they’re no longer around.

“One doesn’t see them any more.  What happens to them?”

Now, I have lived in this area, on the eastern slope of the Sandhills of Nebraska, for only ten years now, while everybody else sitting at the dining room table were life-long residents around here, and so had seen more, knew more, than I do.

Reminiscences of primitives past bounced back-and-forth across the table; the sporadic wild-eyed Trotskyite, the long-haired flat-earther, the frothing Nixon-and-Agnew-hater, the unkempt pacifist, the promiscuous love-child, the wire-rimmed eyeglassesed revolutionary, the ranting conspiracy theorist, the sign-waving Fidelista, the sour dour Maoist, the raving cop-hater, the dopeheads, &c., &c., &c.

But each of them had been around for only a short time, and then evaporated as quickly as they’d come.

“Does one suppose they don’t like our weather?”

One of the other hunters reminded me that one of Nebraska’s three insane asylums is located in the big city forty miles away.  It’s been around for a very long time, and in fact at times its inmates have exceeded 10% of the population of the big city.  It used to be bigger than it is now, but it’s still pretty big.

For the outsider, it seems a rather pleasant place, dozens of brick buildings scattered over more than a square mile, with trees and lawns and gardens and low hills (but oddly, no fences).

I questioned that.  “It used to be that they took the generally insane, of any nature, but some years ago it was changed into a high-security place exclusively for sexual offenders,” I said.

Well, that’s where the primitives end up, I was told.

Oh.
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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2011, 07:47:43 AM »
I'd totally be nervous out there in the woods unarmed and having meth addicts around.
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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2011, 08:37:17 AM »
I'd totally be nervous out there in the woods unarmed and having meth addicts around.

Yup.  A Taurus Judge, or a Smith & Wesson Governor, would be on my "to get" list.
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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2011, 08:53:32 AM »
I'd totally be nervous out there in the woods unarmed and having meth addicts around.

The best thing about the makers of meth, if they aren't using, is they don't want to see anyone or have anyone see them.  Kind of like a black bear.  So you might come across sign that they've been around but not actually the people.

The best thing about the active users is that they are so discombobulated they can't physically organize their bodies to fight.  And if they are between uses they are in town looking for more, not wandering around your ranch looking for trouble.  The worst they do is steal tools to hock for more meth money.  

I'm always armed when out working, but meth heads are the least of reasons why I carry.

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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 09:53:41 AM »
I'm always armed when out working, but meth heads are the least of reasons why I carry.

Always a sound idea.  It's better to have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have it.
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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 10:18:53 AM »
Yup.  A Taurus Judge, or a Smith & Wesson Governor, would be on my "to get" list.
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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 10:49:32 AM »
Primitives are more of a problem.

They will show up in the most inconvenient places.  Pull their campers to right next to stock water, preventing livestock and wildlife from drinking.  Run their noisy generators.  Argue with you when you tell, and show, them they are on private land.  Race their toys around tearing up the ground and vegetation and claim they are enjoying nature.  Show up at the house and want to borrow tools because they didn't come prepared and something broke.  Something they don't know how to fix.  Complain about the lack of cell service and then complain if they can see any towers (non-cell) within their view.  Ask me if I give my cattle antibiotics and growth hormone and tell me how to run a "sustainable operation" because they read an article somewhere.  Tell me I shouldn't run cows because they are non-indigenous, and then tell me I should run the BLM scrub horses instead (which are completely non-native).  Tell me that if THEY lived here, they would do nothing but enjoy the views and start and artist and philosopher community.  Commit the faux paus of asking me how many cattle and acres I have (really?  and what is YOUR net worth?  or some years it would be "what is YOUR debt?"  lol).

Oy.  Such stupidity.

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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2011, 10:53:24 AM »
It sounds like you've encountered these people before.
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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2011, 11:10:05 AM »
Primitives are more of a problem.

They will show up in the most inconvenient places.  Pull their campers to right next to stock water, preventing livestock and wildlife from drinking.  Run their noisy generators.  Argue with you when you tell, and show, them they are on private land.  Race their toys around tearing up the ground and vegetation and claim they are enjoying nature.  Show up at the house and want to borrow tools because they didn't come prepared and something broke.  Something they don't know how to fix.  Complain about the lack of cell service and then complain if they can see any towers (non-cell) within their view.  Ask me if I give my cattle antibiotics and growth hormone and tell me how to run a "sustainable operation" because they read an article somewhere.  Tell me I shouldn't run cows because they are non-indigenous, and then tell me I should run the BLM scrub horses instead (which are completely non-native).  Tell me that if THEY lived here, they would do nothing but enjoy the views and start and artist and philosopher community.  Commit the faux paus of asking me how many cattle and acres I have (really?  and what is YOUR net worth?  or some years it would be "what is YOUR debt?"  lol).

Oy.  Such stupidity.
 

I scared a bunch of them off of our property several years ago.

I was working on our combine that day, we had the feeder housing off, and I had my hands threaded into the "guts" of the machine like a Chinese puzzle, up to my elbows. 

A carload of them drove up, I think they were selling something.  Tried to make small talk with me, with little success.

One asked me if I was overhauling it or doing major repairs to it.  I said,  "No, just routine maintenance."  (I was changing the rasp bars on the thrashing cylinder.)

They left about 30 seconds later.
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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2011, 11:49:20 AM »
 

I scared a bunch of them off of our property several years ago.

I was working on our combine that day, we had the feeder housing off, and I had my hands threaded into the "guts" of the machine like a Chinese puzzle, up to my elbows. 

A carload of them drove up, I think they were selling something.  Tried to make small talk with me, with little success.

One asked me if I was overhauling it or doing major repairs to it.  I said,  "No, just routine maintenance."  (I was changing the rasp bars on the thrashing cylinder.)

They left about 30 seconds later.

They didn't ask you why you "rape the land?"  lol

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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2011, 01:51:37 PM »
The best thing about the makers of meth, if they aren't using, is they don't want to see anyone or have anyone see them.  Kind of like a black bear.  So you might come across sign that they've been around but not actually the people.

Uh huh.

No expert on the matter (of which I'm not) has ever seen traces of such around here, but they are discovered once in a while near the southern end of the county.

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The best thing about the active users is that they are so discombobulated they can't physically organize their bodies to fight.  And if they are between uses they are in town looking for more, not wandering around your ranch looking for trouble.  The worst they do is steal tools to hock for more meth money.

Uh huh.

And as I discovered myself some weeks ago, a 1-3/8" S/K adjustable wrench is a great deterrent.  

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I'm always armed when out working, but meth heads are the least of reasons why I carry.

Our situations alas are however different; you can hear; I can't hear.

Despite what's said about the deaf using vision to "compensate" (quotation marks intentional, and sarcastic) for a lack of hearing, the opposite is true.  The senses augment and stimulate each other; when one is absent one of them, the others too are lessened.  I've always found that I'm seeing less than hearing people, and that's because I hear no sounds to stimulate the eyes.

I can't tell you how many times someone has been within four feet or so of me, and I never knew it.

It's a very good thing I wear brown pants most of the time.

The choice one has then--and there are no other choices between these two extremes for the deaf--is either to be paranoid, suspicious, fearful, of all things, or just to say, "Screw it, life is a lottery, a game of chance anyway," and to carry on as if no perils exist (although of course they do).

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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2011, 03:04:32 PM »
The choice one has then--and there are no other choices between these two extremes for the deaf--is either to be paranoid, suspicious, fearful, of all things, or just to say, "Screw it, life is a lottery, a game of chance anyway," and to carry on as if no perils exist (although of course they do).

<<has always considered himself the biggest winner in life's lottery.

We all play the cards we're dealt.  The people who complain about them instead of facing the challenge squarely aren't cut out for this board.  You seem to be doing passing well with your own hand.
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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2011, 05:47:24 PM »
I'd totally be nervous out there in the woods unarmed and having meth addicts around.

Speaking of.....

About 5:30 p.m. central time, 4:30 p.m. mountain time, one of the cats alerted me to that there's some traffic down on the banks of the river, about a football field's length away from my back door.


They're not hunters, because of the time of the day and they aren't wearing hunting gear.

I watched them for a while, but they kept on walking south, so I quit worrying about it.

But I think tomorrow, Monday, I'll invest in a telescope to mount on the railing of the back porch.
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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2011, 06:15:57 PM »
But I think tomorrow, Monday, I'll invest in a telescope to mount on the railing of the back porch.

Maybe you should think about a .30-06 or a .300 Winchester Magnum to mount that "telescope" to, Coach.  Then set up a position on the back porch.
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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2011, 06:24:19 PM »
They didn't ask you why you "rape the land?"  lol

No, but if they did, my answer would have either been "Why not?", or "Better me than you!"
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2011, 08:35:27 PM »
Maybe you should think about a .30-06 or a .300 Winchester Magnum to mount that "telescope" to, Coach.  Then set up a position on the back porch.

It was so much paranoia about nothing.

Around 7:00 p.m., when it was already pitch-black dark, one of them came to the house; they were innocuous harmless bird-watchers from the big city.

Until recently, I've never--not in six autumns here--been so worried about strangers hanging around here, their business (if not their mere being) unknown to me.  But now that everybody else (in real life) seems to be, I'm catching it too.  I swear, if I could hear "bumps" and "thuds" during the middle of the night, I'd be a nervous wreck.

Bah humbug.
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2011, 09:13:41 PM »
  I swear, if I could hear "bumps" and "thuds" during the middle of the night, I'd be a nervous wreck.

Bah humbug.

:)   I had a friend who was deaf and took the offer of a hearing ear dog.  For four days.

She said she couldn't get any work done, couldn't take a bath in peace, and didn't sleep nearly as well because the darn dog was always alerting her to some knock, ring, or thud.  She marveled that hearies could get anything done with all the interruptions. 

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2011, 09:22:58 PM »
I had a friend who was deaf and took the offer of a hearing ear dog.  For four days.

She said she couldn't get any work done, couldn't take a bath in peace, and didn't sleep nearly as well because the darn dog was always alerting her to some knock, ring, or thud.  She marveled that hearies could get anything done with all the interruptions.

Now that I'm down to four cats, excellent watch-dogs all, I'm starting to give thought--probably about the time I'm down to two cats, because of old age--to getting a couple of dogs to "hear" for me.

But I'd train them myself, to differentiate between important sounds and unimportant sounds.

Any dog can be trained to do this; dogs are smart animals.  I figure when the time comes, I'll just go to the local veterinary and ask for a couple of mutts, mongrels, rejects, I don't care what kind or what mix, or whether they're old or young, male or female.  And then I'll train them myself.
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2011, 09:58:06 PM »
Now that I'm down to four cats, excellent watch-dogs all, I'm starting to give thought--probably about the time I'm down to two cats, because of old age--to getting a couple of dogs to "hear" for me.

But I'd train them myself, to differentiate between important sounds and unimportant sounds.

Any dog can be trained to do this; dogs are smart animals.  I figure when the time comes, I'll just go to the local veterinary and ask for a couple of mutts, mongrels, rejects, I don't care what kind or what mix, or whether they're old or young, male or female.  And then I'll train them myself.

I'd be interested in how it goes.  I'm sure you will have success.

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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2011, 10:05:18 PM »
I hope I'm not intruding in this thread Frank but I know a deaf lady who has an "alert cat" specially trained to go up to its owner when they hear any unusual sounds. Have you ever looked into this?

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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2011, 10:14:26 PM »
I hope I'm not intruding in this thread Frank but I know a deaf lady who has an "alert cat" specially trained to go up to its owner when they hear any unusual sounds. Have you ever looked into this?

Frank isn't a "cat person", all of his have adopted him, not the other way around.

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2011, 07:39:41 AM »
I hope I'm not intruding in this thread Frank but I know a deaf lady who has an "alert cat" specially trained to go up to its owner when they hear any unusual sounds. Have you ever looked into this?

That's what these cats do; they've always done it.

I trained them.

The problem is, cats, unlike dogs, don't always hang around--they tend to leave for days at a time.
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2011, 08:12:43 AM »
I'd totally be nervous out there in the woods unarmed and having meth addicts around.

The bug-eyed property caretaker was out here this morning, to pick something up from here that he needs to use on another property, and commented about my most-recent experience.

For the record, the caretaker, along with 99% of all who've been out here, has never seen franksolich in any condition excepting decent and civilized and utterly decorous.

He says it wasn't the adjustable wrench that scared the three of them away.....but then he wouldn't tell me what it was that did, saying he had to hurry and get to that other place.

<<mystified, but whatever.
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2011, 09:47:34 AM »
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an "alert cat" specially trained

Somehow, to me the idea of a specially-trained cat is hilarious.

Consider the countless thousands of cat ladies, for whom housecats are the most important thing on earth, and not one has ever been able to train a cat to do anything but eat. Cats are okay, if that's your thing, but I think you'd have more luck training dairy cattle, or guppies.

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Re: hunters occupy franksolich's place; describe fate of primitives
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2011, 10:46:08 AM »
He says it wasn't the adjustable wrench that scared the three of them away.....but then he wouldn't tell me what it was that did, saying he had to hurry and get to that other place.

<<mystified, but whatever.
now i want to know more.
i think is time to scatter these around the woods