How many of the OWieS are bitching about college debt & no useful skills?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Supposedly these idiot brats want $50,000 worth of wymynz studies (I study women and it doesn't cost me a dime) then cry when they can't get a job outside of the local fast food establishments.

It's apparent the one thing they haven't learned it: their lesson.

To wit:

marmar  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-11-11 06:35 PM
Original message
The End of the Liberal Arts at Public Universities 
 
The End of the Liberal Arts at Public Universities
October 11, 2011 | Erik Loomis

Allow me to join Paul and Scott in making this a day dedicated to higher education here at LGM.

Rick Scott opens the logical next front in the conservative war on the liberal arts:

Scott said Monday that he hopes to shift more funding to science, technology, engineering and math departments, the so-called “STEM” disciplines. The big losers: Programs like psychology and anthropology and potentially schools like New College in Sarasota that emphasize a liberal arts curriculum.

“If I’m going to take money from a citizen to put into education then I’m going to take that money to create jobs,” Scott said. “So I want that money to go to degrees where people can get jobs in this state.”

“Is it a vital interest of the state to have more anthropologists? I don’t think so.”

And in fact, the future of the anthropology department at Florida St. is in doubt, to the extent that it is no longer accepting applications from graduate students and possibly not allowing undergraduate majors as well, but I’m not sure about that point.

Of course, the real issue for Scott and other conservatives is that the liberal arts might teach people to think for themselves. Republicans know they are fighting a war on any part of American society that might create liberals. They have taken over the churches, the airwaves, and television news. There’s not much left–academia and Hollywood. Academics are easy to fight because we don’t fight back very effectively. ...........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2011/10/the-end-of-...

 

CurtEastPoint  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-11-11 06:36 PM
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1. Heaven forbid someone should learn something just for the sake of knowledge.

Go for it, just pay for it yourself and stay off welfare when you're done.

HereSince1628  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-11-11 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #3
13. But they give access to thoughts the oppressors don't want us to hold
 Being informed by those who came before us is not irrelevant.

TOday the mayor of Boston screams that he wants to eradicate all hints of Civil Disobediance...yet, ~150 years ago, Henry David Thoreau a resident of self-same Massachusetts argued that EVERY citizen has a Duty to Civil Disobedience when faced with a government demanding we corrupt our values.

Thoreau is introduced to most college students through Liberal Arts education not Science, Technology, Engineering or Mathematics.

Liberal Arts are essential to gaining an understanding ourselves, and very importantly, to getting the BEST advice from the generations who came before us.

And you'll be standing on a street corner holding a sign that reads: WILL CONTEMPLATE NAVEL FOR FOOD

Wait Wut  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-11-11 06:48 PM
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8. **** him and all the rest of the anti-education wads.
 This is a common rant in AZ. "Universities were meant to teach only agriculture and mechanics, not history or liberal arts".

These assholes are terrified of an educated society. Keep us all in the fields and the shops. Here, they were even talking about charging to use the PUBLIC Library or dismantling it, altogether. No...it didn't get far, but it just friggin amazes me how obvious they are and some just don't see it.

It's not anti-education it's anti-useless education

truebrit71  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-11-11 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. I think they just want future generations to be as stupid and narrow-minded as they are...
 ...that way they won't get shown up at cocktail parties by folks that are smarter than they are..

As broad-minded as you?

Your liberal mindset can't even build metaphorical bridges, let alone real ones.

AngryAmish (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-11-11 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Are you saying that folks with engineering degrees are not educated?
 That is frankly nuts.

The arrogance of people with a poetry degree thinking that they are the only truly "educated" people is pretty galling.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2098330

[Rebel]

Here's a newsflash for you DUmbass lurkers:

You major in what pays the bills; you minor in what you wanted to do instead.

Stick to that and you'll never go wrong. ...but I forget; I'm talking to dumbasses that think they're owed something.

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmie, "Digging up old bones has taught me to think logically. I think I may die and not get out of this world alive."

[jukin]

I challenge any lurking DUmbass to tell me what most BA degrees qualify you to do in the real world other than a government, NGO job, or grad school?

Don't be mad at reality. Be mad at the used car salesmen that convinced you to get a worthless degree at Cadillac prices.

Or you should get mad at government which caused education hyper inflation by providing free money and cheap student loans for people that should have learned a trade and been productive citizens in society.

Don't be mad at people that have nothing to do with your current situation of being a SUCKER.

[zeitgeist]

Here's a newsflash for you DUmbass lurkers:

You major in what pays the bills; you minor in what you wanted to do instead.

Stick to that and you'll never go wrong. ...but I forget; I'm talking to dumbasses that think they're owed something.

I ran across an article in the Daily Bird Cage Liner touting the savings which could be had by taking the first two years of college at the local community college rather than the state university.  (Now I don't know what the actual costs are but I suspect it to be a substantial savings.) 

Which led me to ponder, if you can transfer those first two years of low cost education from the community college, what makes the university more expensive?  Guess I will have to go check the credit hour costs. 



( quick search about $100 per credit hour difference in state )

[Ballygrl]

I can't tell you how many places I've read and people bitching about student loans.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

...if you can transfer those first two years of low cost education from the community college, what makes the university more expensive? 

What's the difference between Levis and Jordache?

[DLR Pyro]

SDSU To Offer Major In LGBT Studies

yeah, there's a real solid educational investment in your future...

[zeitgeist]

What's the difference between Levis and Jordache?

The way they look on the floor beside the bed?
BTW did you see the thread with the furless bunny in a dish?  
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,65344.0/topicseen.html

[seahorse513]

What befuddles me, is that there are hundreds of people protesting correct?? To me it would make more sense to not protest, pound the streets and get a job, and pay off those student loans earlier. Those student loans are still going to be there when the protests are long over, not to mention these people may inadverdantly be hurting their credit scores.

[franksolich]

AngryAmish (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-11-11 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #8

11. Are you saying that folks with engineering degrees are not educated?

That is frankly nuts.

The arrogance of people with a poetry degree thinking that they are the only truly "educated" people is pretty galling.

But of course that's exactly what happens with the primitives, thinking an impractical college degree shows an interest in "higher things" than just money-grubbing practical degrees.

Odd, however, that people with such degrees (franksolich is one of them, but franksolich is absent the common attitude of the primitives) lose their interest in "higher things" when it comes to employment, and become money-grubbers, believing themselves entitled to make as much money as those who actually do society good.

True story.  My oldest nephew after high school went into the National Guard, and then got a degree in engineering.  My third-oldest nephew, his younger brother, after high school went to college to get a degree in "art."

My late sister-in-law was especially proud of the latter kid; he was concerned with "higher things."

The oldest nephew is now 43 years old, and for the past two decades has enjoyed a steady job and a better-than-usual income.  The third-oldest nephew is now 37 years old, and for the past two decades has worked at Target, in a vegetarian co-op, and as a waiter in a trendy coffee-house.

When it comes to "higher things," such as an appreciation for art and literature and music and "philosophy," it is the oldest nephew who's been the aesthete, the appreciator, the enjoyer, the dabbler-in.  

And the third-oldest nephew, the "sensitive one," has turned out a philistinic barbarian, utterly negative and sour-pussish, concerned only with money, which he can't seem to get enough of.

[67 Rover]

What befuddles me, is that there are hundreds of people protesting correct?? To me it would make more sense to not protest, pound the streets and get a job, and pay off those student loans earlier. Those student loans are still going to be there when the protests are long over, not to mention these people may inadverdantly be hurting their credit scores.

Or how about recognizing an opportunity to make a few dollars to pay off your debt, for example your at the protest anyway how about selling Frisbees, or bottled water, sun screen, t-shirts, etc.  If I could tolerate the nauseating smell I would have no problem selling to these clowns while the opportunity presented itself.

[RWKindaGuy]

SDSU To Offer Major In LGBT Studies

yeah, there's a real solid educational investment in your future...

Primitive:  "Yes, I'm applying for an entry level position at your engineering firm"

Employer: "Great, what was your major?

Primitive:  "LGBT studies"

Employer: "I'm fairly certain that McDonald's is hiring."

[seahorse513]

True story.  My oldest nephew after high school went into the National Guard, and then got a degree in engineering.  My third-oldest nephew, his younger brother, after high school went to college to get a degree in "art."

My late sister-in-law was especially proud of the latter kid; he was concerned with "higher things

The trouble with with majoring in"art". One really should have some concrete idea of what they want to do with the "art"
Opening an art gallery, being a Art museum Orator, graphic design, advertising, teaching it, there are alot of things. "Art" is too broad a subject.

I hope that nephew finds his way Frank

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Primitive:  "Yes, I'm applying for an entry level position at your engineering firm"

Employer: "Great, what was your major?

Primitive:  "LGBT studies"

Employer: "I'm fairly certain that McDonald's the Meat Packing Plant is hiring."

 

[Freeper]

CurtEastPoint  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-11-11 06:36 PM
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1. Heaven forbid someone should learn something just for the sake of knowledge.

Take whatever classes you want just for the sake of knowledge, just don't expect us to pay for it.

[DumbAss Tanker]

The trouble with with majoring in"art". One really should have some concrete idea of what they want to do with the "art"
Opening an art gallery, being a Art museum Orator, graphic design, advertising, teaching it, there are alot of things. "Art" is too broad a subject.

I hope that nephew finds his way Frank

I come from a pretty artistically-gifted family, my sister has a bachelor's and master's in it in fact, and she is pretty accomplished, even has a bit of a name regionally, but it's a teaching job that pays the bills for her.  Me, I took a lot more pragmatic approach, much as I would have liked to have gone back and taken a degree in it after my first long military hitch, I went for a grad degree that would get me back in as an officer and have been riding some variation of that professional track since, doing the art on the side as a very back-burner operation. 

[BEG]

Let's see...my son has an industrial design degree (also took photography classes for fun).  He has a job (a month after he graduated earlier this year) using his industrial design degree (at GE).  

My husband started out in engineering design and after two years changed his major (and school) to industrial design  Total 6 years of collage and we paid for every single dollar, took us 10 years to pay it off.  Had his last job for 17 years (in the DFW area then forced to move to CA for the job), was let go through a mass layoff in June. He immediately got a couple side design jobs then got another new job in Austin. We are in the process of closing on a new house, we sold our house in CA in about a month, $100k less than what we paid for it two years earlier.

My brother who is basically a DUmmie (not sure if he is an actual DU'er) has worked for the same well known company for as long as I can remember. Never had a promotion, admits he doesn't want responsibility. Went to school for photography and has a butt load of student loans.  Borrowed more than he needed on purpose so he could use some of the money to buy equipment and gamble.  Bought a bunch of photography supplies using his credit card too...expensive items. He gambles...a lot, over $60k in debt from gambling (separate from student loans).  Filed for bankruptcy but found out he couldn't file on student loans. Has no desire to use his degree to actually work. He thinks he should be able to make coffee table books and people will actually buy them.  Sees no reason to "waste" his degree taking wedding pictures or something people would actually purchase.  

He is a 50 year old KID, actually living with my dad (for the last 15 years or so), works the same entry level job for the last 20 years (at least). Has no 401k because he thought it was a scam (even though this evil corporation would match him dollar for dollar up to 6% of his salary), bought a new to him chevy SUV (cant remember what its called) last year (yet demeans breeders for ruining the earth with all their children and huge SUV's) but my mom and step dad had to buy it because his credit sucked ass (he pays them every month).

All he has to his name is a bunch of photography supplies/equipment that he will never use. He lives for the day that my 98 year old grandma will die and leave him some money and half of her farm so he has a place he can retire. My brother thinks banks should just give him a foreclosed house because no one is living in them anyway. He thinks he shouldn't have to pay taxes but he thinks the rich should pay their "fair share". His middle name should be Envy instead of Wayne.

[JBevel]

No one OWES me anything! I can't stand entitlement babies  If you want a job, don't major entirely in freakin art. That's why I'm also getting signed up for a certificate program in Sound Technology while being a Theatre major.  The guy who runs the program was one of the ONLY people who talked straight with me about how far a degree in Theater or Musical Theater actually gets you as far as jobs is concerned. 

With this certificate, I'll likely be able to remain close to what I love(Performing arts) as well as make some decent money as a Techie.

 

[Bodadh]

Heard a bit from Richard Jenni once on the radio. He was talking about how he graduated with honors with a degree in poli sci and a year later he was on the couch with no job to show for it. He went back to his school and asked just what the hell he could do with his fancy degree. They said " teach". Called it Amway with co eds. Amway is a pretty apt description.

The majority of the people with those degrees can only make money by teaching it and have to convince dumbass kids out of high school that they are teaching them something that transends all those other majors. They fall for it, get a ton on loans, and and find they have no way to make money with all their new knowledge. And the cycle continues. Too bad there are only a handful of teaching jobs to be had.

[NHSparky]

Classic point--kids are told by the guidance counselors in high school that they HAVE to go to college, but of course, those counselors have no stake in their success or failure, or any kind of guidance as to what these kids SHOULD seek as a major rather than what makes them feel good or is easy.

Frankly, I'm being kind when I say that most kids DON'T need to go to college.  It's a waste of time and money for a piece of paper in a field in which they'll rarely if ever find useful employment.  I've never understood why kids aren't more motivated to try the trade school route.

[seahorse513]

and there are career tests that one can take in HS, college and nowadays even on the web. So even if one gets a general idea like art, the results will show what careers are available in that genre.

I have a coworker at the store who has a BA in psychology. and she is a sales assoc. I have a degree in management, what the hell am I still doing there?? It pays my bills, and it's a job I like.

[RWKindaGuy]

 

[Delmar]

The trouble with with majoring in"art". One really should have some concrete idea of what they want to do with the "art"
Opening an art gallery, being a Art museum Orator, graphic design, advertising, teaching it, there are alot of things. "Art" is too broad a subject.

I hope that nephew finds his way Frank

I'm an artistic OWie--I can draw flies.

[delilahmused]

Of course they could always take the route I did. I love literature & art. They're pretty useless unless I want to be a teacher. I worked for my favorite professor and after dealing with whiny people who "don't understand" or angry jerks who objected to the mistakes I found on their papers, no way would I be able to handle it. Besides, you want to talk minorities? Try being a conservative majoring in literature and taking art & art history classes. I'm great at analyzing a Degas, Algebra, not so much.

So instead of going around with a chip on my shoulder about how nobody appreciated my "knowledge for knowledge's sake". A couple little black dresses later, I found an Engineering Major. He works haard for our family and in return I take excellent care of him. In my experience men don't generally like bitter angry women. Well, I suppose ***** whipped liberal guys do. But since they can't think for themselves they don't usually do any better getting a good job than you do. I know it's nearly impossible to learn to not be selfish but you'd attract a much better quality man or woman if you did.

Cindie