DUmmies Discuss Deer Hunting - Display Utter Ignorance

[GOBUCKS]

Township75 (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-10-11 08:38 AM
Original message
Fight over dead deer leaves 2 hospitalized
Source: 69 News

LEHMAN TWP., Pa. -
A fight between two hunters over a deer carcass has left two people hospitalized.

State police told The Times-Tribune of Scranton the incident happened on Saturday in Lehman Township, Pike County.

They said Jason Frey, 33 from Bethlehem, claimed he shot a deer and tracked it to property owned by Anthony Contino Sr., 48.

Contino said he told Frey that he and a friend shot the deer earlier in the day, and he said he told Frey to leave his property

Read more: http://www.wfmz.com/news/news-regional-lehighvalley/Fig...


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I'm not posting this as an attack on hunters. I am posting it as a WTF is wrong with people???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2089291#2089533
The DUmp, like every forum (including this one) swarms with people who have no knowledge whatever about hunting, but nevertheless have strong negative opinions about it. Unlike every other forum, the DUmp is swarming with people who are willfully ignorant and malicious in their opinions of anything normal people enjoy.

morningglory (1000+ posts)     Mon Oct-10-11 09:07 AM
Response to Original message
3. Could alcohol be involved? And could they have BOTH shot
the same deer at different times? Anyway it's brilliant.

DUmbasses alway associate drunkenness with hunting. Hunting every fall and winter since the mid-fifties, I have yet to run into a
single person who was under the influence of alcohol while hunting. It may happen, but it's as rare as a smart DUmmy.

iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 09:24 AM
Response to Original message
6. darn,
if only they were real men and settled it with the guns they like to kill things with.

freedom fighter jh  (441 posts)      Mon Oct-10-11 09:36 AM
Response to Original message
8. Maybe they're all unemployed . . . and hungry n/t

tuckessee (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-10-11 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #8
13. Not likely at all.
I've met hundreds and hundreds of deer hunters and not a single one of them hunted because of being poor and hungry. They were all thrill killers.

Poor and hungry people spotlight deer at night. Hunting is way too difficult and low percentage if you were hungry. 

MedicalAdmin  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-10-11 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #22
28. I used to have to put on an orange vest just to get the mail.
 I was teaching in a poor rural area, and although many of the families didn't have a pot to piss in, almost all of them had a new pickup, several new snow mobiles, a 4 wheel off road vehicle for every member of the family and lots of hunting gear. And yes, there was a beer cooler strapped to the back of every vehicle.

AND yes, a few of them did hunt for food and had modest gear, mostly invested in warm clothes and a good rifle. It was pretty easy to tell the difference. And it was pretty easy to find the ones you would trade with for good deer sausage during the winter. And it wasn't the ones with the fancy rigs.

Liar.
 
 

RebelOne  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-10-11 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #13
29. Yup. You are exactly right.
Before I was laid off, I was a copy editor for hunting and fishing magazines across the country. I must have read thousands of hunting stories, many of them told firsthand by the hunters. And none of them hunted for food. Most of it was thrill killing for trophy deer.

Wonder why DUmmy RebelOne got canned?


DUmmy formercia comes up with the most outlandish lie on the entire thread:

formercia  (1000+ posts)       Mon Oct-10-11 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. I've been shot at mistakenly by other Hunters, more times than I've fired at Game.
None ever hit me, though one pumped 5 or 6 rounds into the tree I was laying down next to.

I doubt the randomly capitalizing DUmbass has ever fired at "Game".
 

Scout  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-10-11 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. just because the HAPPEN to eat what they kill, does not mean they are/are not
primarily hunting for the thrill of it.
Dahmer ate his kill, too.

DUmmy Aerows, who frets over drought conditions causing thirsty laying hens:

Aerows   (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #8
17. Agreed, but they should have split it
There is PLENTY of meat from a deer.

 

LiberalFighter  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 10:31 AM
Response to Original message
12. If it was on my property I have the hunter arrested for trespassing.
I thought hunters had to get permission to hunt on private property.

They do. In every state.
 

tuckessee (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-10-11 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. Not when chasing animals they have wounded.
A hunter can use a knife to finish off a wounded deer on your front porch if that's where the deer is.

Wrong.
 

Hassin Bin Sober  (1000+ posts)      Mon Oct-10-11 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #15
25. Is that some sort of law?

 
 

Angry Dragon  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #25
34. A legal hunter is required to track down all injuried game  so they do not suffer
It goes along with the purchase of the license

An ethical hunter, which includes the vast majority, is required by his conscience to make every reasonable effort to recover wounded game.
Not everything is mandated by a law in the real world.
 

happyslug  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #25
38. Traditional English Common Law rule, which is still the law in most states.
You have to remember under the Common Law, the only Criminal Trespass was if you entered the "close" of someone's house (i.e. the yard) or some locked structure. It was NOT criminal to entered property without the permission of the owner.
...blah, blah, blah...
In this case, the issue will be was the hunter in the "Close" of the land owners property? Furthermore the Common Law permitted people to recover their personal property which is on the lands owned by another, and the only liability incurred is do to any damage to the real estate. The Common Law also says once you shoot an animal, it is yours unless some other hunter shoots it when it is still alive after you and he gets to it first. In this case THAT is NOT being claimed, the owner of the Land is saying it is his game for it is on his property. That is NOT the Common Law rule as explained above. Unless the State modified the Common Law rules as to hunting the land owner had no rights to the deer, once shot, the deer belonged to the Hunter. As in the case of any other piece of personal property the only liability the hunter has was to any damage caused to the property of the land owner.

This guy's legal mind is as sharp as DUmmy Raven's.

Aerows   (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 10:46 AM
Response to Original message
16. Couldn't they have just split it?
I swear, there HAD to be some alcohol involved in this one. It's not like when you get a deer there isn't so much meat you have to give some of it away, lest the freezer be full.

DUmmy Aerows somehow has confused whitetailed deer with Angus steers. He'd be shocked at the meat yield from an average deer.

JVS  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. Yes, but not really.
In PA a hunting license only permits you to kill a single deer. So even if they agreed to split the carcass, they'd have to ascribe to deer to one of the people, The point at which they agree to that also happens to be the point at which the other person loses any credibility to claim part of it. They should have called a game warden. I'm very skeptical about the farmer's story. If he had already killed the deer earlier in the day, then he already should have had his kill tags on the deer, also the deer should have already been dressed (butchered).

Wrong. In virtually every detail, wrong.

mrmpa  (677 posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 05:02 PM
Response to Original message
39. Isn't the first day of deer hunting in Pennsylvania, the first...
monday after Thanksgiving in November? If I'm right, these 2 men will be fined for out of season hunting.

Wrong again.

[zeitgeist]

As mother was fond of saying:  "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and prove it."

DUmmies.  Proving once again how right Mom was.

[diesel driver]

mrmpa  (677 posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 05:02 PM
Response to Original message
39. Isn't the first day of deer hunting in Pennsylvania, the first...
monday after Thanksgiving in November? If I'm right, these 2 men will be fined for out of season hunting.

Bow season started last Saturday, October 1st, in Virginia.

Groundhogs, possums, coons, and other various critters are fair game year 'round.

[catsmtrods]

DUmmies deer hunting. Right!

Frank, have there ever been venison recipes in the cooking forum?

[marv]

Wasn't there a DUmmy who once posted a suggestion to simply buy your meat in a supermarket so as to not kill a living animal........:D

[diesel driver]

Wasn't there a DUmmy who once posted a suggestion to simply buy your meat in a supermarket so as to not kill a living animal........:D

                      

I'm sure there was.  That's about their intelligence level.

[DumbAss Tanker]

happyslug  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #25
38. Traditional English Common Law rule, which is still the law in most states.
You have to remember under the Common Law, the only Criminal Trespass was if you entered the "close" of someone's house (i.e. the yard) or some locked structure. It was NOT criminal to entered property without the permission of the owner.
...blah, blah, blah...

You stupid shithouse lawyer, that's because they were all tenants and serfs.  Try killing a deer in the local knight's holdings that he actually owned, or the King's lands, and you'd be dancing the air jig on the end of a rope if the gamesmen caught you...of course if the hounds got you first, they wouldn't need the rope.

As GOBUCKS said, if you shoot it and it goes onto private property, and the property owner tells you to get lost, it's his deer now, you better just suck it up and get lost, it's his right.

[GOBUCKS]

As GOBUCKS said, if you shoot it and it goes onto private property, and the property owner tells you to get lost, it's his deer now, you better just suck it up and get lost, it's his right.

It's his right, and you have to ask permission to retrieve dead game that crosses a property line.

Chances are very high he will allow it, unless you run into a DUmp democrat who inherited property.

I've only had to do that once, and it was no problem. In fact, the guy was Amish, and he helped me drag. A week later, I took him the backstraps.

[franksolich]

Frank, have there ever been venison recipes in the cooking forum?

I'm sure there has been, and from now, I'll start looking for one.

By the way, GOBUCKS made me think of something.  I don't hunt myself, but I've spent my life around deer-hunters, in both Nebraska and Pennsylvania.

Maybe it's happened once or twice in a blue state somewhere, but going clear back to my own first memories, I don't believe I've ever seen someone hunting deer while under the influence; being influenced is what one does after hunting.

[NHSparky]

Huh...nadined it, and unless someone took it with a bow, someone is in a heap o trouble...

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=576240&mode=2

And DUmmies, I've been hunting since I was 12.  NEVER have I witnessed anyone drinking alcohol while handling weapons.  EVER.  Camping after dinner that night perhaps, but even then not a whole lot.

Only people I see who **** up the rules are DUmmies and flatlanders who think some farmer's cow is a deer.  Even in my area, I'd never use a high-powered rifle.  Shotgun with deer slugs only.  Last time I hunted with a rifle was Wyoming and New Mexico, back in high school.

[BattleHymn]

happyslug  (1000+ posts)        Mon Oct-10-11 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #25
38. Traditional English Common Law rule, which is still the law in most states.
You have to remember under the Common Law, the only Criminal Trespass was if you entered the "close" of someone's house (i.e. the yard) or some locked structure. It was NOT criminal to entered property without the permission of the owner.
...blah, blah, blah...

I'll be sure to take that into consideration the next time we catch poachers on my parent's land. 
 
"Are you basing your hunting lore on Traditional English Common Law rule information from someone named 'happyslug'?  Well then, it must be all on the up and up.  Carry on."   

[jukin]

"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so."

Ronald Reagan

I would add that there has never been such a collection of people that revel in their knowledge of so much that isn't so than the DUmp.

[franksolich]

I've only had to do that once, and it was no problem. In fact, the guy was Amish, and he helped me drag. A week later, I took him the backstraps.

Damn.  I had to go nadin that.

It's not that I'm stupid or anything; it's just that I don't hear the words when people are talking, in this case talking about deer-hunting.  And 80% of what one knows, one knows from hearing.

From the "West Virginia Trophy Hunters' Association."

Venison Backstrap

The backstrap or loin of a deer is very much like filet mignon. I prefer venison backstrap to filet mignon, however. The best examples of this cut comes from a two to three year old deer, preferably a doe. With this fantastic meat it takes so little effort to create a gourmet entree. Some cooks like to wrap the slices of loin in bacon, just as a filet mignon. In the interest of keeping the meat low fat and healthier, I choose not to add the bacon. Venison is one of the heart healthiest meats available, if prepared properly.

INGREDIENTS PER BACKSTRAP:

1/8 Teaspoon salt per steak

3 Tablespoons of a very light olive oil or safflower oil in a cup or small bowl.

2 Tablespoons of very coarsely ground black pepper

1 Venison Backstrap

PREPARATION:

I prefer to cook a backstrap on a gas or wood grill. If that is not available this meat can be prepared under the broiler in your kitchen stove as a second alternative. Remove any fat or membrane from the meat. Rinse. Slice the backstrap across the grain, into two inch slices. Make a butterfly cut on each of the two inch pieces. (cut the two inch pieces in the middle almost completely through. Leave about a quarter inch uncut and open the two pieces like a book. 

You should end up with what appears to be a steak that is double the surface area as the original and about one inch thick.  Preheat your grill or broiler (don't put the meat on a cold grill). Brush the top of each steak with the olive oil. Apply salt and sprinkle the pepper liberally on the steak. Put the steaks on the grill. Cook six minutes, turn steaks over, brush with olive oil, and sprinkle the tops with pepper. Cook for six or seven minutes or until medium rare.

Due to the leanness of the venison, it will become tough if over cooked. Serve immediately.

http://www.wvtrophyhunters.com/venison_backstrap.htm

[NHSparky]

BTW, DUmmies, there's a bit of difference between dressing and curing the meat.  Just FYI.

Here, a little treat for ya that you can put up for Christmas this year:

[Rebel]

[marv]

I knew I saw it somewhere. Thanx Rebel........gonna save it in my IMAGES folder.

[RWKindaGuy]

You just have to sit there and shake your head at that one.

[Rebel]

You just have to sit there and shake your head at that one.

Why? It's typical of moonbats.

[zeitgeist]

Why? It's typical of moonbats.

The magic bus.     Wait, maybe it runs on Unicorn Farts?

[Erasmus]

This reminds me I have 50 pounds of deer meat and sausage at the processor I need to pick up.