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The Fat Lady's Singing
« on: October 07, 2011, 10:38:57 AM »
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THE FAT LADY'S SINGING

By R.C. Murray
September 21, 2011
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“Now will I shortly pour out my fury upon thee, and accomplish mine anger upon thee: and I will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense thee for all thine abominations.”
-Ezekiel 7:8

If Barack Obama is re-elected in 2012, this country is going to die. But for those of you who are thinking, “Ah, but if Rick Perry is elected…,” think again. This country is going to die anyway.

Regardless the outcome of the 2012 elections, the U.S. is dying. This opera is just about over. The fat lady’s singing.

Ignoring the facts doesn’t change the facts, and the fact is these United States have not been united for 150 years. The ties that once bound us together by force have rotted. The economic meltdown, multiculturalism, moral relativism and other malignancies have placed this nation into hospice care.

I saw it coming years ago when I was trying to teach English in a public high school, a system I eventually learned was designed to ensure American children do not develop proper reading and writing skills, the prerequisites to critical thinking skills. Before I left the classroom in June 2005, I wrote a letter to the local newspaper, promising to warn parents about what’s really happening in their kids’ schools.

Two years later I published, Legally STUPiD: Why Johnny doesn’t have to read. I also began writing for NewsWithViews. Most of my articles have warned parents to save their children from The System. More recently, I was fortunate enough to have a small part in a documentary called IndoctriNation.

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2011, 01:14:29 PM »
More defeatist bullshit.

If you're so ******* certain its the end ****ing lay down and die already and spare the rest of us your mewling on the way out.
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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2011, 01:14:51 AM »
More defeatist bullshit.

If you're so ******* certain its the end ****ing lay down and die already and spare the rest of us your mewling on the way out.

Dear Snuggle Bunny,

Last weekend I attended a workshop by the Casey group in AZ titled "When money dies".  To say the least it was most interesting.

The first speaker was Doug Casey.  He basically put up a chart showing the total US debt and unfounded liabilities and came to the following conclusion..."were screwed!"  His message was that it made no difference what political party is in power, it will be impossible for the US to ever get out from under this type of debt.

Second speaker was Bud Conrad who put up several charts and came to the same conclusion.

Third speaker was Richard Maybury who basically said that the US is indeed "war shopping."  He documented pretty well that we have overextended our military around the world.  I spoke with him afterward and asked him if he thought that the idiots in charge feel that WWII got us out of our problems in the great depression and perhaps WWIII might do the same thing.  He said he felt that was a real possibility.

For me personally, the most interesting event was they put up a panel of three folks, one from Yugoslavia, Argentiana and Zimbabwe who lived through the hyperinflation in their respective countries.   They all had charts and graphs and their 50 billion dollar bills from their countries.  The inflation was beyond imagination.  My take aways from that were that the respective inflation numbers where the charts go straight up were almost identical to what has happened to the US money supply since BO was elected.

Some other interesting comments.  The guy from Yugoslavia put up a chart showing their inflation over a three year period.  He then said that during that peak period inflation doubled, meaning prices, every 1.4 days.  He was asked if he would have bought anything different if he knew beforehand what he knows now and he said an F-16 to fly out of there.

The guy from Zimbabwe said that for two years there was no food on the grocery store shelves.  The society was all bartered.  He also surprised us when he said that gold and silver had little value because no one could buy it. Gives good cause to have those assets outside of the country.

Bottom line for the three of them was that it was a 36 month horror story beyond anything anyone here in the US can imagine.  Once the government defaulted and things settled down with basically a new currency life went on, some folks lost everything others made out.

Unfortunately their remarks led me to wonder about several things.  In the great depression of the 1930's we were primarily an agricultural society and folks could live off the land.  With almost 50% of the US population living off the government try to fathom prices doubling every 1.4 days.  What kind of chaos does that cause for those on welfare or social security?  What does that do to business?  Heck, you manufacture something and ship it and the customer pays you in 15 days an your receivables are worthless.

Now, with all of that, if the fat lady is singing about the future of the US dollar, then bring it on.  It will be a bitch for a few years but we are Americans and will survive.  Now those who happen to have lent us trillions of dollars will get screwed but that is what they get for lending to a bankrupt nation.

What I also see happening is this.  The current demonstrations going on all over America are being driven by Pelosi, Soros and others.  Basically they want a socialist, and perhaps communist revolution.  All one has to do is spend a few minutes on the Blaze website and you will see that this is a totally coordinated effort by the unions, Soros and others to overthrow the government and capitalism in particular. 

In talking with some of the gurus, it is entirely possible that we could collapse like the soviet union and become 4-5 countries.  I say bring it on.  Where I agree with you, and will be damned if I will flee or throw in the towel is this.  We cannot let the bastards win.  We must end up with a constitutional democracy with limited government, not enslaved by the government.

One of the speakers showed a way that the US could finally deflate their currency and get things under control.  Basically they could confiscate all the gold at $10,000/oz. (a formula the speaker used based on total dollars in circulation divided into the theoretical gold in Fort Knox or something).  Point is, like Roosevelt, require all US citizens to redeem their gold for $10,000/oz., then once they have it do as Roosevelt did, arbitrarily say gold is now worth $20,000/oz. and have a gold backed currency.  Of course all the holders of currency would get screwed like they did with Roosevelt.  One point Doug Casey mentioned is the middle class is really screwed because most all of their assets and holdings are denominated in US dollars.

Bottom line to me is our society either becomes socialist and communist or the power of government must be seriously changed and dismantled.  As a society we are no longer afforded the opportunity to spend money we do not have and kick the political ramifications down the road.  When no one wants to lend you money so you continue to print money to support your out of control spending addiction, then hyperinflation will be the result.  Personally I think the unions and communists are as well organized today as they were under Hitler. 

It boils down to fight or flight, with a few having the opportunity to flee.  It is my generation that screwed it up.  We were too busy trying to make a living and allowed our government to run wild.  I feel it is now our responsibility to fix the mess we created so we do not enslave our children and generations that follow.

regards,
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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2011, 01:24:58 AM »
Help is just a click away.

http://www.aa.org/?Media=PlayFlash


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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2011, 06:16:10 AM »
More defeatist bullshit.

If you're so ******* certain its the end ****ing lay down and die already and spare the rest of us your mewling on the way out.

Thank you.   H5.

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2011, 06:23:12 AM »
Third speaker was Richard Maybury who basically said that the US is indeed "war shopping."  He documented pretty well that we have overextended our military around the world.  I spoke with him afterward and asked him if he thought that the idiots in charge feel that WWII got us out of our problems in the great depression and perhaps WWIII might do the same thing.  He said he felt that was a real possibility.


Dear Mr. Maybury, "I look forward to reading every issue of your Early Warning Report."
 â€”Congressman Ron Paul

Mr. Maybury's foreign policy goodness:

http://www.chaostan.com/wardeceives.html


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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2011, 04:06:28 PM »
Well written post 5412.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas, 1944

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2011, 04:07:36 PM »
More defeatist bullshit.

If you're so ******* certain its the end ****ing lay down and die already and spare the rest of us your mewling on the way out.

Yeah...  How DARE anyone have an opinion that you don't like.

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"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas, 1944

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2011, 04:20:30 PM »
More defeatist bullshit.

If you're so ******* certain its the end ****ing lay down and die already and spare the rest of us your mewling on the way out.

Hey, sometimes you have to fire up the team by telling them that they are the under dogs.
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."  Stalin

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2011, 09:41:03 PM »

Dear Mr. Maybury, "I look forward to reading every issue of your Early Warning Report."
 â€”Congressman Ron Paul

Mr. Maybury's foreign policy goodness:

http://www.chaostan.com/wardeceives.html


How much did the libertarians soak you for to attend this conference?  



Hi,

The name of the conference was "When Money Dies" and that was what it was all about.  It was primarily about investing and trying to hang on to your life savings when it is pretty well understood that we are going into hyperinflation like the US has never seen.

I subscribed to Richard Matbury's newsletter a decade or so ago and it was an investment newsletter specializing in the military and their subcontractors.  Most of his predictions were spot on.  I spoke with him and his wife at length a few times over the weekend and they are pretty down to earth folks.

Sorry, because Ron Paul likes his newsletter but that is just the way it is.  You read it for awhile and you will find he is pretty much spot on.

regards,
5412

PS:  As far as the cost of the conference, no problem.  I gained enough insight into certain investments that it will pay for itself many times over.  Was not as political as you might think but even if it was, I feel there is a pretty fine line between liberterian and conservative.
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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2011, 04:54:35 AM »
Hi,

The name of the conference was "When Money Dies" and that was what it was all about.  It was primarily about investing and trying to hang on to your life savings when it is pretty well understood that we are going into hyperinflation like the US has never seen.

I subscribed to Richard Matbury's newsletter a decade or so ago and it was an investment newsletter specializing in the military and their subcontractors.  Most of his predictions were spot on.  I spoke with him and his wife at length a few times over the weekend and they are pretty down to earth folks.

Sorry, because Ron Paul likes his newsletter but that is just the way it is.  You read it for awhile and you will find he is pretty much spot on.

regards,
5412

PS:  As far as the cost of the conference, no problem.  I gained enough insight into certain investments that it will pay for itself many times over.  Was not as political as you might think but even if it was, I feel there is a pretty fine line between liberterian and conservative.

Spot on?   Not the link I just posted.    You will have to point out some of his "spot on" commentary.

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2011, 05:05:20 AM »
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Perhaps the most memorable part…

…of my military experience is the fact that we rarely knew what kind of mission we were really on.  We just did what we were told.  A crew often had no idea they were in combat until they returned home and found bullet holes in the plane.

In the records, almost all the operations were labeled “training” or something equally tame, but I soon learned that many missions contained features that were, for want of a better word, weird.

One example was when a C-46 crashed, killing all eight crewmen.  The official report said the incident was an accident caused by mechanical failure.  I never met a flight engineer who believed it.  All said this particular mechanical failure could only be caused by sabotage.

Another example.  One day a friend came off a mission very shaken, white as a sheet.  I asked what happened.  He said it was top secret but he was so stressed he had to talk about it.

He’d been on search-and-rescue alert, and was scrambled to fly to a jungle clearing where a Panamanian army truck had been in an accident.  The C-47 crew was told to evacuate the injured, in a rapid engine-running onload.

When the unarmed rescue plane landed, the crew saw the truck in a ditch nearby.  As the injured were hurriedly loaded, the medic asked for my friend’s help.

As my friend tended to an injured Panamanian, a bandage slipped.  Beneath it was a bullet hole.  He checked another soldier, then another.  More bullet holes.
Over the roar of the engines, he yelled to the medic, “These guys weren’t in an accident, they were shot!”

The medic yelled back,  “Shut up, it’s top secret!”

“But we’re in a combat zone and we don’t have any air cover!”

“Shut up, it’s top secret!”

They were not authorized to be in a war, so they had no need of protection.  What could be more logical?

The rest of the crew sat in the plane clueless to the fact that at any moment they could be enveloped in 700 gallons of flaming gasoline.
Secrets and lies, always secrets and lies.  This should not have been surprising.  It was during the Vietnam War, which, by 1969, every informed person knew was a hoax.  (Economist Murray Rothbard went so far as to say publicly that even if Washington lost the war, the Soviet Socialist empire would collapse, because socialism does not work.)

Strange incidents were a constant topic of conversation, and we eventually realized our job was not to defend America, it was to forcibly change other nations.  Our politicians are naturally good, wise and noble, and they know what’s best for others.

Our Spanish-speaking trainers, who overheard and understood what the Latin trainees were saying, joked about this, and members of the 311th Air Commando Squadron even wore a tongue-in-cheek insignia on their hats that said “Coup Qualified.”

TiT has nothing at all on this guy.    Since this pencil whipping clerk was never actually in combat, he should just STF. 

His "friends" are either fictional (where I am placing my money) or the dumbest cowards who ever put on the uniform.    My favorite:

As my friend tended to an injured Panamanian, a bandage slipped.  Beneath it was a bullet hole.  He checked another soldier, then another.  More bullet holes.
Over the roar of the engines, he yelled to the medic, “These guys weren’t in an accident, they were shot!”

The medic yelled back,  “Shut up, it’s top secret!”

“But we’re in a combat zone and we don’t have any air cover!”

“Shut up, it’s top secret!”


The flight crew, no knowledge the mission was top secret.  The medic?  well he was clearly briefed.   Uh huh.

Ten years you have been reading this guy?  :whatever:

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2011, 06:16:33 AM »
Only fat woman singing in my mind is Kate Smith -------     God Bless America. [13]

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2011, 07:25:55 AM »
TiT has nothing at all on this guy.    Since this pencil whipping clerk was never actually in combat, he should just STF.  

His "friends" are either fictional (where I am placing my money) or the dumbest cowards who ever put on the uniform.    My favorite:

As my friend tended to an injured Panamanian, a bandage slipped.  Beneath it was a bullet hole.  He checked another soldier, then another.  More bullet holes.
Over the roar of the engines, he yelled to the medic, “These guys weren’t in an accident, they were shot!”

The medic yelled back,  â€œShut up, it’s top secret!”

“But we’re in a combat zone and we don’t have any air cover!”

“Shut up, it’s top secret!”


The flight crew, no knowledge the mission was top secret.  The medic?  well he was clearly briefed.   Uh huh.

Ten years you have been reading this guy?  :whatever:


Hi,

I said a decde or so AGO I was reading his INVESTMENT newsletter just to clarify.  For what it is worth, here are some notes I took during his talk.  I doubt you would disagree with him.

The first thing he started with was a now documented story about a Russian Submarine officer who was ordered to lay a nuke on the US in the Cuban missle crisis.  He responded "Nyet, he did not want to start a nuclear war." or something to that effect.  He then referenced his source.  His point was that politicians make a lot of dumb decisions when they have powerful armies.

Here are some direct quotes from his talk,

"Politicans are war shopping"

"Political power corrupts morals and judgment and make politicians stupid"

"War destroys currency"

My original post was to share what I learned, all can take that for what it is worth.  When I subscribed to the Richard Maybury reports he talked about Chaostan and then went into predictions about investments, and, if memory serves me correctly he was spot on about the direction of gold, copper, the Swiss Franc and certain military contractors that he recommended as investments.  

I dropped all investment newsletters for quite sometime and realized in 2008 that I had better get back to actively managing my life savings because it appears to me that printing trillions of dollars is likely to cause some ugly hyperinflation.  I re-subscribed to several newsletters and now am reading a good 2 hours a day on the subject.  

Frankly I had forgotten about Maybury until I saw him last Saturday.  Here is what I do know.  Had I followed his advice and made some of his recommended investments when he made them I would have been a lot better off than the 5-6% CD's which I invested in.  I have not checked his website so I have no idea what he is writing about today.

I am not defending or knocking him, he just happened to be one of the speakers.  As far as the cost of the conference, I have this to add.  If spending money to go to an investment conference costs you anything you are at the wrong conference.  If you cannot come out of the meeting with ideas that will make you 10-20 times the tuition then you picked a bad one.  I have already started implementing some of the things I learned and the money, in my mind, was well spent for me.  

regards,
5412
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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2011, 11:21:50 AM »
Yeah...  How DARE anyone have an opinion that you don't like.

 :thatsright:
Ironically, it appears you don't like my opinion.

However, since you apparently fancy yourself the protector of opinions (in a place where no one has been told to be silent, no less) I'm left to wonder what is the nature of your post.
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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2011, 01:33:43 PM »
Hey, sometimes you have to fire up the team by telling them that they are the under dogs.

There's "underdog", and then there's don't even bother going out cause you're screwed anyway.  These people are the latter.

And yeah, 5412, sorry, but that Lew Rockwell type of shit'll rot your brain.
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2011, 03:05:43 PM »
There's "underdog", and then there's don't even bother going out cause you're screwed anyway.  These people are the latter.

And yeah, 5412, sorry, but that Lew Rockwell type of shit'll rot your brain.

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2011, 03:06:49 PM »
I'm left to wonder what is the nature of your post.

Contrarian-libertarian.

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2011, 03:07:21 PM »

"Politicans are war shopping"


Please define that.

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2011, 05:00:01 PM »
Please define that.

Hi,

You ask a good question.  This is from memory as I do not have a DVD to refer to.  He basically outlined all the actions we are involved in, like Afganistan, and I was surprised.  I think he then went on to mention that in most of those cases congress did not declare war, nor had they approved.  We did discuss this afterward and I asked him if he felt that the administration was looking for a war to bring us out of the depression much like the theory (though not fact) that WWII brought us out of the Great Depression.  He said that is quite possible and a number of folks are thinking that might be the case.

He also mentioned how Obama was going to bring the troops home from Iraq, close Gitmo, etc. and how, once he got into power he expanded on what the previous administration had done.

Don't know if that helps or not.  As I said, I went to the conference to learn how to protect myself against hyperinflation and that was my focus.

regards,
5412

PS:  One other notable remark.  He discussed the presidents on Mt. Rushmore and how all of them won wars.  His comment was, "You don't get your face on Mt. Rushmore unless you win a war." 

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2011, 05:07:55 PM »
Hi,

You ask a good question.  This is from memory as I do not have a DVD to refer to.  He basically outlined all the actions we are involved in, like Afganistan, and I was surprised.  I think he then went on to mention that in most of those cases congress did not declare war, nor had they approved.  We did discuss this afterward and I asked him if he felt that the administration was looking for a war to bring us out of the depression much like the theory (though not fact) that WWII brought us out of the Great Depression.  He said that is quite possible and a number of folks are thinking that might be the case.

He also mentioned how Obama was going to bring the troops home from Iraq, close Gitmo, etc. and how, once he got into power he expanded on what the previous administration had done.

Don't know if that helps or not.  As I said, I went to the conference to learn how to protect myself against hyperinflation and that was my focus.

regards,
5412

PS:  One other notable remark.  He discussed the presidents on Mt. Rushmore and how all of them won wars.  His comment was, "You don't get your face on Mt. Rushmore unless you win a war." 

He's an isolationist libertarian.  Afghanistan happened because of 9/11.   Iraq was LONG overdue, and not to "fix" the economy (nor was WWII).   

His comments are a hair below the level you would see at Lew Rockwell, which you could have just saved the money you spent on that conference as access to that freakshow website is free.


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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2011, 05:09:36 PM »
Oh an what does Gitmo have to do with the neocon war machine?   

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Re: The Fat Lady's Singing
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2011, 12:18:48 PM »
Yeah...  How DARE anyone have an opinion that you don't like.

 :thatsright:

Actions and consequences, rich_t, nothing more complicated than that.
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A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

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