Stinky asks a question I have been wanting to ask the goons at DUmmyland for a long time.
Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Oct-06-11 11:45 AM
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With but one day to go until the TENTH ANNIVERSARY of the invasion of Afghanistan . . . .
. . . . is it fair to call for the prosecution of those who started the war and not call for the same for those who endorse and continue it when they have the power to do otherwise?
Yes, that's a harsh question.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2067099MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Oct-06-11 12:00 PM
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1. Good question
Edited on Thu Oct-06-11 12:01 PM by MissDeeds
I imagine some will try to justify the continuation of the war. It is nonetheless indefensible.
K&R
Ok but should 0bama and crew be frogmarched with Bush and Cheney?
Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Oct-06-11 02:49 PM
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2. Seems to be a topic very few wish to discuss.
Yes, it *is* a fair question.
Maybe someone will step up and defend our country's current position on this issue.
Or not.
How about you answer your own question first?
lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Oct-06-11 05:12 PM
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5. They're separate issues I think, but maybe both should be prosecuted
It's incredibly complex because there are so many obfuscated layers to the politics of this war (or maybe all wars). Bush and Cheney had a goal in mind and they used the infrastructure their party and their corporate friends had carefully built over the years to manipulate and deliberately lie to get the US to go to war. The media was bought and paid for and it really paid off for them. Without the media being complicit it's possible there would be no wars with Afghanistan and Iraq. But it's hard and maybe useless to conjecture on what would have been. So I won't.
But after being at war for years the new President is forced to face the effects and fallout from that war. Perhaps more enemies have been created than those that have been killed. I think that when we see actions that don't seem to have a very good explanation and don't make sense with the knowledge we have, such as drones being used to cross borders and target groups and individuals, then we're not seeing the entire picture. We are being lied to still and it seems we're being kept in the dark, but the reasons may be very different. Ending a war is much harder to starting one.
I'm pretty sure that Obama was kept in the dark too until he was actually elected. So there's a mysterious reason why he talked about ending the wars before he was elected and yet immediately changed his mind when he won the election.
Much can be garnered from things we don't know. Like Rumsfeld is fond of saying, there are unknowns we know we don't know. I think the lack of logic and information surrounding the wars is a huge clue that there's much more to the wars then we're being told.
No matter whoever is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, I wish that there would at least be a transparent and sincere investigation of the entire issue.
No it's not complex, they either are committing war crimes or they aren't. It does not matter that they didn't start the wars, if the war was "illegal" when it was started, it doesn't magically become not so illegal when 0bama took over.
sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Oct-06-11 05:39 PM
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9. Fair - yes. The morale thing to do - yes. Will it ever happen - not a chance.
So we finally have a DUmmy who comes out and supports frogmarching 0bama for war crimes.