Dear Lurkers, RE: From each according to his means to each according to his need

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

From each according to his means to each according to his need

What exactly do you people produce anyway?

I'm not saying you're bad capitalists, I'm saying you're shitty socialists.

Supposedly in socialism everybody produces for the benefit of everbody else but you ****nuggets can't even hold up your side of the bargain.

You say you provide government services. I'd love to know what those are. Looking at US education I see only 3 successive generations of low-grade morons in the pipeline who cannot compete with nations who have only 1/5 of the material and financial resources you idiots have at your disposal. Supposedly, by your own admission, our roads and schools are crumbling even though these items are budgeted year after year AND you've taken on an EXTRA $4 TRILLION in debt and still haven't fixed the problem.

You berate every industry except green tech and Solyndra, the Chevy Volt, etc prove you can't even do that competently.

You've turned large swathes of CA into a dust bowl because you won't let farmers irrigate the land because some endangered fish lives nearby. How does creating deserts where none existed save a fish? Why hasn't the lost food crops been offset with production elsewhere?

You say you want to end poverty but ironically, even though the amount spent on the War on Poverty is suspiciously close to the amount of the national debt we're told it's only getting worse. You give untold thousadnds of dollars to people in the name of government programs but you demand no service or repayment from the beneficiary.

WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE DO? WHAT IS THE MEANS YOU PROVIDE TO SATISFY THE NEEDS OF OTHERS? WHAT WILL YOU GIVE ME IN EXCHANGE FOR WHAT YOU DEMAND FROM ME?

Until you can prove you have something to offer I don't think you have earned the right to demand.

[jukin]

More realistic is "From each according to their responsibility and productiveness to each according to their irresponsibility ans unproductiveness."

IMHO, the reason communism always fails, causes misery to hundreds of millions and kills tens of millions whenever it is tired is because the responsible and productive quit when forced to be slaves to the irresponsible and unproductive. Then system rapidly falls apart. The only way to keep the system going at subsistence levels is at the end of a gun. Then the totalitarians drop their masks and the killing starts.  It is inevitable. It has always happened and it will always happen. This is human nature.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

That's the evolution of then, isn't it.

They start by making demands but--as I point out in my OP--they never say what it is they will offer.

So they impose their system and when the rest of us learn they have nothing to offer we become like them. After all, there's no point in producing if those incharge simply take and never provide anything from their side of the bargain.

Once the genuine producers stop producing those in charge realize the whole system is in peril so they go from caretakers to slave drivers.


So MAYBE communism COULD work if only those extolling it would explain what it is they will provide to those from who they make demands. Historical examples of something under their purview being run effectively, ethically and fairly would be appreciated.

Remember lurkers, this is NOT DU. Yes, you may get a torrent of shit flung your way but you won't be banned. Please tell us what it is you would bring to the giant Socialist Share-A-Palooza.

[Carl]

Little do they realize too that the system they crave will not bring them comfort and wealth but this.

[jukin]

They start by making demands but--as I point out in my OP--they never say what it is they will offer.

They have nothing to offer other than manual labor. When they refuse to do that, the totalitarians they have anointed kill them.  In the USSR when hardcore believers would be put in the gulags, universally they would say "Does Stalin know about this?"