http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=331x1374Oh my.
The inebriated Gaelic primitive, the one who's a violent sore loser when his team loses a game:
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jan-01-08 05:51 PM
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Ever find famous people in your line?
I did. I actually posted about this in the lounge some time ago, but thought I would again.
On my father's side, if you go back a few generations from his father's grandmother, you'll pick up a Kennedy family line. Originally I just assumed it was a typical Kennedy, until I traced it back to an Alexander Kennedy. Alexander Kennedy is 10th great grandfather of John Kennedy. The Kennedy line goes like this:
Alexander Kennedy
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Margery Sophia Kennedy (it's interesting to note she married a Kennedy, not sure it's a family member, though)
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Gilbert Kennedy
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Gilbert Kennedy
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Gilbert Kennedy
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Thomas Kennedy
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John Kennedy
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Patrick Kennedy
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Patrick Kennedy
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Patrick Kennedy
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Patrick Joseph Kennedy
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Joseph Patrick Kennedy
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John Fitzgerald Kennedy
My line starts when Margery Sophia Kennedy (the 9th Great Grandmother of John Kennedy) married William Wallace. She had actually married him prior to marrying Gilbert Kennedy -- where that Kennedy line starts.
I thought it was interesting, none the less. What about you, find any famous names in your tree?
I dunno. I doubt if the name "William III" means anything to the inebriated Gaelic primitive.
Or that the inebriated Gaelic primitive would find anything extraordinary in a Catholic.....Orangeman.
Never mind.
udge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-02-08 10:06 AM
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1. Only a semi-few, and not Kennedys
Crombie Taylor was an architect, and was one of the world's foremost Louis Sullivan preservation experts and lecturers.
Susan Seaforth Hayes of Days of Our Lives is about my 4th cousin once removed, I think. Her husband Bill and I e-mail and mail each other goodies from time to time.
Howard Day wasn't really famous, but in his day he was quite the scandal. Several years after the Scopes Trial, he was fired from a bible college in Alabama for questioning the stories of Noah and Jonah in an address before the school. His tory made headlines around the world, and his daughter still has all the letters he was sent, pro AND con. He later went on to teach at Sacramento City College for 37 years.
Edwin Gilcher was a noted bibliographer of the works of Irish writer George Moore. I think he's also around 4th cousins. Haven't checked the degree there.
That's it for me.
CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-02-08 11:01 AM
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2. How fortunate you are!
It's cool that you can establish the link.
As for us, well, I haven't any proof of famous relatives. Family lore indicates that we're related to the first American-born cardinal, John McCloskey, and also to Saint Thomas a Becket. I have great hopes of proving the McCloskey link and very little hope of establishing the Saint Thomas connection. Still, it's fun to speculate.
Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-02-08 11:41 AM
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3. Some how I didn't like this one but
I found out it was a different line...an ancestorial cousin married a Peter Coulter. Damn did I check that out. Well Ann Counter's relatives came to this county in the late 1800's and to New York. My line was here in the 1700's...Thank goodness.
But an ancestorial cousin married Cole Younger. She was about a 15th cousin connection.
Some people in my line of Purcells have tried to connect my great great great grandfather to be the son of Margaret Randolph and another George Purcell. Now the Margaret Randolph is supposed to be related to Thomas Jefferson. First this Margaret Randolph, I don't think is even related to Jefferson. I think they lived in the neighborhood and the families associated, and they named their children after Jefferson. Second my George Purcell was born in Prince William County Virginia and never went to Kentucky with the other George Purcells family. Of course there were a bunch of Purcells living in Prince William and the town of Purcellville was named after them. You know, the whole bunch all lived to gether in that area, people started calling it Purcellville and it stuck. That's how a lot of places got it's name.
Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-02-08 02:34 PM
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5. Speaking of famous Catholics, I've found a link to Charles Carroll of Carrollton.
He was the only Catholic signer of the Declaration of Independence. And one of the most famous Irish-Americans.
Our line connects at Thomas Brooke, as Charles Carroll's mother was Elizabeth Brooke. Thomas Brooke is his great, great, great, great grandfather. He would've been my 12th great grandfather on my dad's side.
I dunno.
The Roman Catholic side of this ancestry was essentially Carpathian peasants; humble modest hard-working solid people who obviously pleased God.
Probably the most famous Catholic ancestor of franksolich is the one who gave the family its name, in English meaning "son of the wolf." The guy circa 1850 was casually wandering down a dark forest lane, when a large wolf came out from the trees. Having no weapon, the ancestor choked the wolf to death with his bare hands. I guess it was a pretty big wolf, because an account of it was sent all the way to the Imperial Court in Vienna, and the ancestor got a medal and a pension from the emperor, Franz Josef.
Better to be a Roman Catholic who can choke a wolf to death, than to be a prominent Roman Catholic.
Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-14-08 02:36 AM
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27. That would possibly make us distant cousins, then.
Thomas Brooke (great-grandfather of Charles Carroll of Carrollton) was married to Eleanor Hatton, whose father Richard Hatton is my 11th great-grandfather (my line is through his daughter Elizabeth, who married Luke Gardiner; Luke Gardiner and Elizabeth Hatton's descendants include Francis Scott Key and F. Scott Fitzgerald).
Only a primitive would boast about being related to another primitive.
Usually people try to hide such unfortunate facts, out of shame and embarrassment.
sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-03-08 03:48 PM
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6. A couple...
I'm a direct descendent of Nicolas Perrot, who accompanied Marquette and Joliet on their trip through the Great Lakes and down the Mississippi. Following that, he worked for a fur trading company and was the first European to make contact with several upper Great Lakes tribes. He learned several native languages. Eventually he became commander of the trading post at Green Bay. He even wrote a book on his experiences entitled, Memoire Sur Les Moeurs, Coustumes Et Relligion Des Sauvages De L'Amerique Septentrionale, about the tribes he worked with and his efforts in negotiating trade agreements and, sometimes peace. I'm hoping one day to get a copy of the 1864 edition. It is used as a primary source in so much of the research that is conducted today on Native American history, but hardly anyone knows about him in the US. In Canada, he is a legend.
I long thought I also shared ancestors with Oliver Wolcott, who signed the Declaration of Independence. The Wolcott Family Association has recently questioned that connection. I remain skeptical of their skepticism.
But my husband, being a thorough Yankee, has several Mayflower ancestors and is either descended from or shares ancestors with Robert Treat Paine, Stephen Hopkins and Roger Sherman - signers of the Declaration of Independence - all on his father's side and with his mother's side full of early Dutch connections, I can add shared ancestors with the Roosevelts (a couple of times) and Humphrey Bogart.
You would think with all that in his background, he'd be far more interested in his family history than he is. Instead, all he does when I point these discoveries out to him is shrug his shoulders and say "all that and still I have no money."
It's a pretty big bonfire; the original post is from January of this year, but continues to grow, primitives bragging of their bloodlines, which seems a rather unDemocrat, unliberal, thing to do.
One primitive is ostensibly related to George Bush, and for some stupid reason isn't proud of it.
The Bostonian Drunkard did not post at this bonfire.
