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defrocked warped primitive got fat at fifty
« on: September 18, 2011, 05:14:43 PM »
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Oh my.

But the gigantic primitive Systematic Chaos, Ege Bamyasi, didn't show up at this campfire.

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LaurenG  (1000+ posts)        Mon Sep-12-11 06:41 AM
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Obesity and America: How We Got So Fat (And So Sick)

Renowned preventive cardiologist Arthur Agatston, MD, has devoted decades to helping Americans improve their health by trimming their waistlines and exercising regularly. Now, in an important new book, The South Beach Wake-Up Call, he warns that we're raising a generation that could be the first in modern history with shorter life spans than their parents'. Here, his urgent call to action.

America is fatter and sicker than ever. We compensate by taking diet pills and going on fad diets. But the fact is that our fast-food, sedentary lifestyle is trumping the advances in medical science that have been responsible for at least four decades of decreasing death rates from heart disease. The hard truth is that whatever shape health care reform ultimately takes--one payer, multiple payer, or a combination of coverages--it won't matter, because we as a nation won't be able to pay for it. If we don't make the positive lifestyle changes needed to halt and reverse the obesity epidemic now--today--our health care system will be bankrupted by the sheer numbers of sick Americans.

We call the men and women who lived through and fought in World War II the "greatest generation." I predict that our current population of adults between ages thirty and forty-five could have the dubious distinction of being remembered as the "sickest generation," or "Generation S." For the first time since I started practicing cardiology more than thirty years ago, heart attacks are on the rise for this age-group. Without immediate intervention, for the first time in modern history, we will start to see a reduction in life span.

In order to fully understand why we are now experiencing an epidemic of obesity, diabetes, and other chronic diseases, it's useful to take a look back to the genesis of the fast-food, sedentary culture that's responsible for our failing health. The better we understand the origins of our toxic lifestyle, the better the chance that we can turn things around.

http://www.prevention.com/health/weight-loss/diets/obes...

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no_hypocrisy  (1000+ posts)      Mon Sep-12-11 07:16 AM
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1. More from the article:

America is fatter and sicker than ever. We compensate by taking diet pills and going on fad diets. But the fact is that our fast-food, sedentary lifestyle is trumping the advances in medical science that have been responsible for at least four decades of decreasing death rates from heart disease. The hard truth is that whatever shape health care reform ultimately takes--one payer, multiple payer, or a combination of coverages--it won't matter, because we as a nation won't be able to pay for it. If we don't make the positive lifestyle changes needed to halt and reverse the obesity epidemic now--today--our health care system will be bankrupted by the sheer numbers of sick Americans.

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get the red out  (1000+ posts)        Mon Sep-12-11 08:50 AM
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2. It is frightening

Just going out and looking around, the numbers of obese people are staggering, it's the new norm. I don't think of myself as thin, but I am within a normal weight range and exercise daily and try to eat a healthy diet. Some people my age, mid-40's look ancient! It's like people's bodies just blow up like balloons. I am so grateful it hasn't happened to me, but wish there was some way to actually reach people about their health habits. No one wants to "give up" anything or make any efforts, no one seems to have time for it.

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closeupready  (1000+ posts)        Mon Sep-12-11 04:58 PM
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5. Very true. Same age as you, and most people in their 30's already have bellies and double chins. Normally, it seems like I am the most fit person whenever I go out to a bar or restaurant, and that's just unbelievable, as I have really only been back on a fitness kick since mid-March. I've basically cut out all potatoes, rice and empty carbs (like sugar). What a difference six months can make - my BMI is about 20 right now.

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Mon Sep-12-11 10:03 PM
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7. I was always thin until I turned 50

Without changing my diet (whole foods) or exercise (RN on busy units), I blimped up 50 pounds practically overnight. It was horrifying and totally out of my control, still piling on even as I cut down to one meal a day.

There is something at work besides poor diet or activity choices. Until medical science admits that and begins to work on exactly what it is, nothing is going to work.

Fully 90% of obese people who achieve their normal weight put all the weight plus more back on within five years. That means people who lost it through slow starvation, fad diets, drugs, or gastric surgery. This is a dismal success rate for treating the "causes" of poor diet or a sedentary lifestyle.

Nobody wants to be fat, bigotry against fat people is the last socially acceptable bigotry, couched in "concern," of course. If there were a way to shed fat that is permanent, few would be fat.

While medicine blames fat people for "choosing" to be fat, this issue is not going to be solved.

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get the red out  (1000+ posts)        Tue Sep-13-11 11:20 AM
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11. I agree with you on a lot of what you said

All causes need to be looked into, medical, food additives, poverty, access to decent food, and the fact that healthier foods are more expensive.

This problem is multi-faceted. There are also heavier people who are much healthier and take better care of themselves than thin people who have hideous health habits and look a decade older than their age.

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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts)      Mon Sep-12-11 08:52 AM
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3. Nothing could be truer

I was a complete gym rat until I was into my forties and my kids were young. I, like so many people just lost the incentive and time to work out. I had gained upward of twenty pounds over the last 10- 12 years and I am turning 60.

My kids and wife teased the hell out of me(man boobs) but of course I continued to eat junk. Three month's ago my daughter came back from mayo and she needed to exercise so she asked me to go ride bikes with her. Then my brother who rides everyday asked me if my bike was going to be used or was it going to be a museum piece.
That motivated me and in 3 months I have lost 18 pounds and I am close to m target weight of 175(BMI).

Exercise of course is important but it is the eating. At my age caloric intake is 2000 calories. It is amazing how little you can eat if you want to lose. I have been trying to restrict myself to 1500 calories and that only lose 1 pound a week.

I have not had a french fry,potato chip any desert that wasn't fresh food for 3 months. Once you get past the first month it is pretty easy to stay off those things.

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Big Blue Marble  (1000+ posts)        Mon Sep-12-11 11:44 AM
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4. Good for you!

It takes consistency and commitment to do what you are doing. The rewards are more the worth the effort. I lost 60 pounds over one year ago. I am maintaining with great success following a similar plan regular exercise and whole foods. It works!

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Jack2632 (5 posts)      Mon Sep-12-11 05:56 PM
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6. "t's not my fault"

People too often blame circumstance for overeating, eating unhealthy foods and not exercising. In my heart, I know how easy that is to do, but when it comes down to it, I will always put my health and wellbeing on the list of most important things in my life. Mentally and physically I feel a difference when I'm putting these things first. It's not easy, but it's worth it.

Apart from that, I've seen a ton of articles lately that are "this is how to live a healthy lifestyle" ... but we all know these things! We learned them as kids! We just put other things (like relaxing on the couch or eating chips out of convenience) first. It just upsets me that we aren't taking responsibility (despite the fact that I know we're the problem with all our fast food and stuff).

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laconicsax  (1000+ posts)      Mon Sep-12-11 11:52 PM
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8. The "obesity epidemic" is based on total crap.

Obesity is measured by BMI, which was was invented in the early 1800s as part of a study that wasn't health-related and as a result, it's a terrible measure of health. By BMI, people who are in great shape and muscular are just as likely to be classified as obese as those who are in terrible shape and flabby.

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JoeyT  (1000+ posts)      Tue Sep-13-11 09:47 AM
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10. BMI is a simplistic measure for simple people. Body fat percentage is far more accurate, and far more trouble to come up with.

It's not nearly as much fun because we can't panic about an obesity epidemic.

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Bosonic (446 posts)      Tue Sep-13-11 06:10 AM
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9. Try alternate day fasting for at least 16 days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting

If you think you have the willpower to not eat for a day (followed by unrestricted eating the next), then I would encourage you to try it. If my experience is typical you will loose some weight, you will feel healthier and you'll probably also save a little cash on food bills. If you reach 16 days with positive results, then go for another 16 day block etc etc.

It's not for everyone, but it does have the advantages of being free, simple and possibly giving health benefits over and above those associated with just loosing weight.

Oh man.

Imagine the gigantic primitive fasting for a day.
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Re: defrocked warped primitive got fat at fifty
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2011, 05:34:30 PM »
Well, DUmmy Warpy blew up into an ugly tub of lard at about the same time she was caught smuggling drugs from the narcotics locker at the hospital.

I'm not sure why being tossed out of the nursing profession conincides with her enormous, appalling weight gain, but there must be a connection.

Are cheeseburgers a substitute for opiates?

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Re: defrocked warped primitive got fat at fifty
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 05:53:50 PM »
Well, DUmmy Warpy blew up into an ugly tub of lard at about the same time she was caught stealing drugs from the narcotics locker at the hospital.

I'm not sure why being tossed out of the nursing profession conincides with her enormous, appalling weight gain, but there must be a connection.

Are cheeseburgers a substitute for opiates?

They might be, food being a "comforter" and all that.

After posting this, I went to the diet doctor's site to see if the gigantic primitive, the Las Vegas Lardass, had said anything recently, but alas not.  There were queries from other members there asking about him, the below being the most recent:

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Kirk is a strongly opinionated man, as are many of the members here. He has found himself embroiled over politics before and always gets his two cents in. But that is a parallel issue to diet and nutrition. I have a feeling it revolves more about that than anything else. I hope this stirs him up enough to get him to comment and tell me I'm wrong. We shall see. Come on back, Kirk. Finish what you started and be the inspirational figure we need you to be.

http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=23108&start=195

I think the above's right; the gigantic primitive's got to forget all about politics--he doesn't know a damned thing about politics anyway--and concentrate on getting a job and losing more weight, in that order.
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Re: defrocked warped primitive got fat at fifty
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2011, 06:39:29 PM »
After posting this, I went to the diet doctor's site to see if the gigantic primitive, the Las Vegas Lardass, had said anything recently, but alas not.  There were queries from other members there asking about him, the below being the most recent:

I think the above's right; the gigantic primitive's got to forget all about politics--he doesn't know a damned thing about politics anyway--and concentrate on getting a job and losing more weight, in that order.
I visited the Field Museum in Chicago recently. The first thing you see when you enter is this huge T. rex skeleton, which they've named "Sue". Later, you can view a humongous whale skeleton, and it would really be cool if they named it "Kirk".

But seriously, folks, every time the Leviathan is absent for a few weeks, I always suspect that his abused, laboriously pumping ticker has finally exploded into a hundred flabby little chunks. For years he's forced it to pump a greasy sludge of fat mixed with blood through hundreds of unnatural miles of veins, arteries, and capillaries, to keep his monstrous corpulence from rotting. Of course, the reason he does that is entirely the fault of George W. Bush.

It can't keep up forever, and when it fails, it will be a spectacular detonation. Hopefully, when that happens, Jeanette will be working the phone banks and will thereby escape injury. 

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Re: defrocked warped primitive got fat at fifty
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2011, 09:38:04 PM »
I don't get it. I eat what I want, when I want it. The fat on steaks and roasts are my favorite. Love salty chips with sour cream dip, but don't care much for ice cream or candybars.

Now I weigh 183lbs clothed and with shoes. That's 3lbs over my 180lb playing weight in high school 55 years ago! 'Course I mow the lawn, trim the tree limbs in the yard, shovel the snow in the winter and do other stuff around the house. A little physical labor might help the DUmmies now and then.
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Re: defrocked warped primitive got fat at fifty
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2011, 09:52:05 PM »
I don't get it. I eat what I want, when I want it. The fat on steaks and roasts are my favorite. Love salty chips with sour cream dip, but don't care much for ice cream or candybars.

Now I weigh 183lbs clothed and with shoes. That's 3lbs over my 180lb playing weight in high school 55 years ago! 'Course I mow the lawn, trim the tree limbs in the yard, shovel the snow in the winter and do other stuff around the house. A little physical labor might help the DUmmies now and then.

Exactly. Don't put in your mouth to excess and you won't have to worry what is on your hips.

I think genes have a lot to do with it though. I don't work out, just work in the yard and garden, drink more beer than is good for me, but I do not eat a lot either. Dunno why. I don't eat breakfast or lunch, never have, and half the time I forget to eat dinner. I just don't get hungry for some reason and never have. Having said all that... I can put away an extra large pizza with all the meats by myself when the mood hits me. It hits me about once a month and then some local pizza place is going to make some money!   :cheersmate:
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Re: defrocked warped primitive got fat at fifty
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2011, 03:18:29 AM »
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Without changing my diet (whole foods) or exercise (RN on busy units), I blimped up 50 pounds practically overnight. It was horrifying and totally out of my control, still piling on even as I cut down to one meal a day.

One meal a day?  You're putting your body into starvation mode.  DUmmie.
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