Omaha Steve knows entitlements

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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Sep-18-11 09:35 AM
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Entitlement? It puts a roof on my mom's head
   
Edited on Sun Sep-18-11 09:53 AM by Omaha Steve

My 87 year old mom currently lives in a senior apartment with a HUD subsidy. Once she is approved for Medicaid she will be going to assisted living. My sister and I are the only live with a family member options she has. We couldn't provide the level of care she now needs. There would be nobody with her in the weekday (7-5) hours either. Both homes have stairs while her balance requires a cane as a minimum. Therapy says she needs a walker, but she won't have any of it.

Republicans want her to live in the street and die fast. Shame on them ALL!

She paid taxes all her life until dad passed away in 94. She didn't have enough income after that.

I've been pretty quiet for me on the DU the last few days. I've been busy with mom. I'll be a little more active today.

OS

Edit: Mom has a small pension from a non-profit religious hospital. It has lost about 75% of it's monthly payout thanks to lack of regulations on Wall St.

Please please talk about this on the campaign trail you dipshit. You will lose faster then Carter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1959997

[franksolich]

My question for my fellow Nebraskan is this: where do "evil" Republicans want to take something away from an 87-year-old woman who's worked all her life?

I've looked far-and-wide, hither-and-yon, here-and-there, and can't find it, where we "evil" Republicans want to take something away from an old woman.

Omaha Steve is lying, and he knows it.

Where we "evil" Republicans want to take something away is from those who never worked, or worked only a little tiny bit, those who never contributed to the well-being of society, those who only took without giving, such as the primitives on Skins's island riding the social security disability gravy-train, with first-class parlor-car tickets paid for by the rest of us.

Omaha Steve is lying, and he knows it.  No one wants to take anything away from his mother.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Sounds suspiciously like she was in a Social-Security-exempt system, there, Steve, what's with that?

[franksolich]

Sounds suspiciously like she was in a Social-Security-exempt system, there, Steve, what's with that?

Yeah, it made me wonder, why she'd be getting Medicaid rather than Medicare.

And as for her pension losing much of its pay-out, well, one wonders when that started happening.

After January 3, 2007, most likely.

[Rebel]

As no fan of ObamaCare, I apparently want to see the streets littered with the dead bodies of the uninsured.

Or at least that's the interpretation of some on the left now, after CNN moderator Wolf Blitzer's question, "Are you saying that society should just let him (a healthy man who chose not to buy insurance) die?" at last week's GOP debate prompted a couple of "Yeahs" from the audience.

"Lack of compassion has become a matter of principle, at least among the GOP's base," pontificated New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, adding that the incident demonstrated U.S. politics was now about "different moral visions." Slate's Jacob Weisberg lamented that the "Tampa Tea Party mob" wanted to "let the young man go to the devil." Protect Your Care, a group that promotes ObamaCare, is running ads online that read "Would (GOP Candidate) allow an uninsured man to die? Ask him."

...


And when conservatives pause from cackling over the fates of the less fortunate, they're a surprisingly generous lot — more so than liberals, actually. (New York Times columnist Nick Kristof characterized liberals this way in a 2008 headline: "Bleeding heart tightwads.") In his 2006 book Who Really Cares, Arthur Brooks, now president of the American Enterprise Institute, crunched the numbers and found that conservative households made 6% less than liberal households, yet donated 30% more to charity. Conservatives also donated more blood, while those from the most conservatives states were 51% more likely to volunteer than those from the most liberal states. Those on the right practice what they preach. If they want to see the safety net shifted away from the government and toward communities, they are also willing to donate both money and time to help their neighbors.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2011-09-16/health-care-tea-party-conservatives-die/50433598/1


What'cha gotta say now, DUmbasses?

[Celtic Rose]

All I see in that post are excuses as to why he and his family can't do more for her.  "She can't live with us, we have stairs!"  They could either set her up downstairs, get one of those seats that will take her up the staircase, or find a different place to live without stairs where she could move in with them.  "We can't give her the daily care she needs!" For the price of the senior apartment or assisted living, they could likely hire an in home nurse to come and help during the day, and I know that Omaha Steve and his wife have grown children, so if they are local, they could certainly help with their grandmother.  There are governmental programs that will help cover that cost.  

He isn't mentioning any major health problems that would require 24 hour care, just that she need help walking.  An in home nurse could come for a few hours around lunch time to make sure she isn't alone for too long, and they could get her a life alert bracelet in case something happens while they are out.

My mom stays with my grand parents several days a week to help them out, and my extended family have already discussed how we would prefer that they live with family rather than in a nursing home if they ever reach the point where they can't live alone any more. To me, a nursing home should be reserved for those who have such severe health problems that their families cannot effectively care for them, not for those with walking difficulties.  

[Doc]

Yeah, it made me wonder, why she'd be getting Medicaid rather than Medicare.

And as for her pension losing much of its payout, well, one wonders when that started happening.

After January 3, 2007, most likely.

Medicare doesn't pay for long-term care like assisted living or nursing homes........I believe it's limited to 90 days......where Medicaid does, however Medicaid is means-tested (plus it places a lien on the recipient's assets/estate).

The pension plan comment can only be true if:

a.) The organization providing the pension underfunded it significantly AND

b.)  Went broke, declaring bankruptcy, throwing the pension obligation on the US govt pension guarantee program, which only pays out a percentage of the original monthly payment amount.  OR

c.)  The pension was actually from the husband's employer, and when he died the amount of payout is reduced, which is pretty much standard for all such programs.



doc

[franksolich]

Medicare doesn't pay for long-term care like assisted living or nursing homes........I believe it's limited to 90 days......where Medicaid does, however Medicaid is means-tested (plus it places a lien on the recipient's assets/estate).

Thanks, sir; I didn't know that.

I always thought Medicare pretty much covered it all, for those over 65.....unless one had never paid into it, of course.

My fellow Nebraskan is purposely distorting things, however.  No one, but no one, wants to take anything away from the elderly.  But because the system's so broke, in order to sustain the elderly, it's necessary, or going to be necessary, to cut back on the non-essentials.....such as the non-elderly sucking off the system.

If social security was restricted only to those 65 or older, who've paid into the system, then social security can last for some time longer.

[Celtic Rose]

Thanks, sir; I didn't know that.

I always thought Medicare pretty much covered it all, for those over 65.....unless one had never paid into it, of course.

My fellow Nebraskan is purposely distorting things, however.  No one, but no one, wants to take anything away from the elderly.  But because the system's so broke, in order to sustain the elderly, it's necessary, or going to be necessary, to cut back on the non-essentials.....such as the non-elderly sucking off the system.

If social security was restricted only to those 65 or older, who've paid into the system, then social security can last for some time longer.

Wasn't Omaha Steve himself applying for SS disability? 

[franksolich]

Wasn't Omaha Steve himself applying for SS disability? 

I dunno if it was specifically social security disability, but he was trying to get some sort of disabled pay-off, perhaps from the City of Omaha.

[TVDOC]

I dunno if it was specifically social security disability, but he was trying to get some sort of disabled pay-off, perhaps from the City of Omaha.

Under those circumstances.....how could he have the chutzpah to run for public office in the same city??

doc

[Ballygrl]

All I see in that post are excuses as to why he and his family can't do more for her.  "She can't live with us, we have stairs!"  They could either set her up downstairs, get one of those seats that will take her up the staircase, or find a different place to live without stairs where she could move in with them.  "We can't give her the daily care she needs!" For the price of the senior apartment or assisted living, they could likely hire an in home nurse to come and help during the day, and I know that Omaha Steve and his wife have grown children, so if they are local, they could certainly help with their grandmother.  There are governmental programs that will help cover that cost.

Bingo! my Mom lives with us, if the time ever comes that she can't do the stairs we'll make a bedroom for her downstairs.

[franksolich]

Under those circumstances.....how could he have the chutzpah to run for public office in the same city??

doc

See, this is an issue that's hot in Nebraska, Omaha especially, that probably doesn't mean much to non-Nebraskans.

Omaha Steve is an employee of the city of Omaha, the sewer works or something (really).  Omaha Steve lives in Bellevue, a suburb of Omaha (and Bellevue's where he's running for office).

People who work in Omaha, but live outside of Omaha, are a hot issue.  They live outside of Omaha simply to avoid paying Omaha taxes, which are considerably higher than in surrounding areas.

They're milking all this money out of Omaha.

Various mayors of Omaha in the past have tried to get public employees paid by the city to be compelled to live in the city (and hence to pay its taxes), but with no success.  Failing that, they've tried to get non-Omahans who work in Omaha to pay some other taxes, but with no success.

My fellow Nebraskan's one of these people sucking money out of Omaha. 

(note: our colleague Airwolf, who works in Omaha but lives outside of Omaha--in fact, in Iowa--might have some differences with me about this, but Airwolf works for a a private company, not being on the Omaha public payroll, and that's a distinction worth something.)

[Ballygrl]

See, this is an issue that's hot in Nebraska, Omaha especially, that probably doesn't mean much to non-Nebraskans.

Omaha Steve is an employee of the city of Omaha, the sewer works or something (really).  Omaha Steve lives in Bellevue, a suburb of Omaha (and Bellevue's where he's running for office).

People who work in Omaha, but live outside of Omaha, are a hot issue.  They live outside of Omaha simply to avoid paying Omaha taxes, which are considerably higher than in surrounding areas.

They're milking all this money out of Omaha.

Various mayors of Omaha in the past have tried to get public employees paid by the city to be compelled to live in the city (and hence to pay its taxes), but with no success.  Failing that, they've tried to get non-Omahans who work in Omaha to pay some other taxes, but with no success.

My fellow Nebraskan's one of these people sucking money out of Omaha. 

(note: our colleague Airwolf, who works in Omaha but lives outside of Omaha--in fact, in Iowa--might have some differences with me about this, but Airwolf works for a a private company, not being on the Omaha public payroll, and that's a distinction worth something.)

My Cousin works for the City of New York, he would love to buy a house in NJ but he has to live within the 5 Boroughs.

[GOBUCKS]

Under those circumstances.....how could he have the chutzpah to run for public office in the same city??

Running a scam isn't necessarily a handicap for a democrat.

The Nashville paper ran an article showing half the democrat candidates
for city council owed thousands in delinquent property taxes, on their homes,
businesses, and ghetto apartment buildings.

In a followup article a couple of weeks later, only a couple had been shamed into
paying up.

But they can't lose in their democrat hellhole wards.

[franksolich]

My Cousin works for the City of New York, he would love to buy a house in NJ but he has to live within the 5 Boroughs.

Despite that it's something always proposed by the corrupt Democrat machine that runs Omaha, I think it's only right to demand that if one's paid by the taxpayers of a certain entity (town, city, county, district, whatnot), then one should have to live in that entity.

It's not so much the convenience of having them nearby, but more so that they, being enriched by the taxpayers of that entity, should themselves be required to "invest" in that entity.  It's only right.

[GOBUCKS]

Despite that it's something always proposed by the corrupt Democrat machine that runs Omaha, I think it's only right to demand that if one's paid by the taxpayers of a certain entity (town, city, county, district, whatnot), then one should have to live in that entity.

It's not so much the convenience of having them nearby, but more so that they, being enriched by the taxpayers of that entity, should themselves be required to "invest" in that entity.  It's only right.

That makes sense, but it only becomes an issue in democrat hellhole cities.

Really nice suburbs conveniently hire municipal workers from the blue urban slums a few miles away. These workers couldn't afford to live in the suburb unless municipal worker salaries were ridiculously high.

Most people in really nice communities don't want their municipal workers moving in, especially considering there's a bottomless pool of labor nearby.

Democrats in the blue hellholes want those jobs to dole out for kickbacks, plus they're envious of anyone who doesn't have to live in their filthy cities.

 

[Texacon]

Funny how all this kind of stuff used to be all Bush's fault now .... It's anybody but O'bama's fault.

KC

[Airwolf]

All I see in that post are excuses as to why he and his family can't do more for her.  "She can't live with us, we have stairs!"  They could either set her up downstairs, get one of those seats that will take her up the staircase, or find a different place to live without stairs where she could move in with them.  "We can't give her the daily care she needs!" For the price of the senior apartment or assisted living, they could likely hire an in home nurse to come and help during the day, and I know that Omaha Steve and his wife have grown children, so if they are local, they could certainly help with their grandmother.  There are governmental programs that will help cover that cost.  

He isn't mentioning any major health problems that would require 24 hour care, just that she need help walking.  An in home nurse could come for a few hours around lunch time to make sure she isn't alone for too long, and they could get her a life alert bracelet in case something happens while they are out.

My mom stays with my grand parents several days a week to help them out, and my extended family have already discussed how we would prefer that they live with family rather than in a nursing home if they ever reach the point where they can't live alone any more. To me, a nursing home should be reserved for those who have such severe health problems that their families cannot effectively care for them, not for those with walking difficulties.  

Your assuming that Fat Boy(OmahaSteve)  and Robin( His Wife) want the mom to be there.

[Airwolf]

See, this is an issue that's hot in Nebraska, Omaha especially, that probably doesn't mean much to non-Nebraskans.

Omaha Steve is an employee of the city of Omaha, the sewer works or something (really).  Omaha Steve lives in Bellevue, a suburb of Omaha (and Bellevue's where he's running for office).

People who work in Omaha, but live outside of Omaha, are a hot issue.  They live outside of Omaha simply to avoid paying Omaha taxes, which are considerably higher than in surrounding areas.

They're milking all this money out of Omaha.

Various mayors of Omaha in the past have tried to get public employees paid by the city to be compelled to live in the city (and hence to pay its taxes), but with no success.  Failing that, they've tried to get non-Omahans who work in Omaha to pay some other taxes, but with no success.

My fellow Nebraskan's one of these people sucking money out of Omaha. 

(note: our colleague Airwolf, who works in Omaha but lives outside of Omaha--in fact, in Iowa--might have some differences with me about this, but Airwolf works for a a private company, not being on the Omaha public payroll, and that's a distinction worth something.)

You are correct Frank. I work in Omaha for a private security company and live in Iowa. The City of Omaha has treid for years to place a wheel tax on Non Residence and they fail to remember that the State of Nebraska has the anly authority to tax anyone n that regard when they are not a resident. The State layeth the Smackdown on Mayor Suttle and the city council over that not long ago. OmahaSteve might be someone I know from working in Omaha doing various things in the city and if true I wouldn't have any trouble letting people know what he's up to.

[franksolich]

You are correct Frank. I work in Omaha for a private security company and live in Iowa. The City of Omaha has treid for years to place a wheel tax on Non Residence and they fail to remember that the State of Nebraska has the anly authority to tax anyone n that regard when they are not a resident. The State layeth the Smackdown on Mayor Suttle and the city council over that not long ago. OmahaSteve might be someone I know from working in Omaha doing various things in the city and if true I wouldn't have any trouble letting people know what he's up to.

Good, you see my point, sir.

You work for a private company.  The private company, and by extension, you, create wealth.  Taxes are derived from wealth.

Omaha Steve works for the city of Omaha.  The city of Omaha, and by extension, Omaha Steve, consumes wealth.

You as an employee of a private company, contributes to Omaha, no matter where you live.

Omaha Steve as an employee of the city of Omaha, takes away from Omaha, and even more so if he's not hanging around to pay Omaha taxes.

There's nothing wrong with compelling public employees to live inside the entity that pays them, that enriches them personally.

[USA4ME]

Medicare doesn't pay for long-term care like assisted living or nursing homes........I believe it's limited to 90 days......where Medicaid does, however Medicaid is means-tested (plus it places a lien on the recipient's assets/estate).

Some facts:

As it relates to long term care, the Medicaid program will pay for custodial care in a nursing home if the individual:

1) is a US citizen or permanent resident alien and a resident of the state,

2) is unable to pay for nursing home care by having spend down income and resources to a minimal amount (impoverished),

3) has not transfered assets so as to meet Medicaid requirements.  Medicaid may "recapture" assets that were determined to have been transfered solely for the purpose of achieving eligibility,

4) has resources of less that the state's allowable limit,

5) is certified by a physician, in writing, of the necessity for admission to a nursing home and of the level of care required.

There are two main programs for the funding of this.  The "Qualified Medicare Beneficiary" (QMB) program will pay Medicare's premiums, deductibles, co-payments and coinsurance amounts for the beneficiaries who are eligible, and the "Specified Low-Income Medicare Beneficiary" (SLMB) program which pays Medicare Part B premiums only.

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[Karin]

^^^ All that stuff up there.  I hope I never get in that situation.  Just take me, God, with a swift heart attack in the night.  Or hit by a beer truck.  Anything.  I hope I never get caught in that government labyrinth. 

Entitlement? It puts a roof on my mom's head

  That's a damn shame!  Hope the bump on her noggin from that is better. 

[ConservativeMobster]

Wonder if he's going to try the "get rid of Mom's asset's" game to qualify her for Medicaid?  Might be a good thing that pension lost value.

[TVDOC]

Some facts:

As it relates to long term care, the Medicaid program will pay for custodial care in a nursing home if the individual:

1) is a US citizen or permanent resident alien and a resident of the state,

2) is unable to pay for nursing home care by having spend down income and resources to a minimal amount (impoverished),

3) has not transferred assets so as to meet Medicaid requirements.  Medicaid may "recapture" assets that were determined to have been transferred solely for the purpose of achieving eligibility,

4) has resources of less that the state's allowable limit,

5) is certified by a physician, in writing, of the necessity for admission to a nursing home and of the level of care required.

There are two main programs for the funding of this.  The "Qualified Medicare Beneficiary" (QMB) program will pay Medicare's premiums, deductibles, co-payments and coinsurance amounts for the beneficiaries who are eligible, and the "Specified Low-Income Medicare Beneficiary" (SLMB) program which pays Medicare Part B premiums only.

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All correct, except that state requirements vary on both eligibility requirements as well as "recapture" rules....

Here in Missouri, when you qualify for Medicaid, you sign a lien on all of your "retention-allowed" assets (such as a home, vehicle, and the yield of any and all life insurance policies).........following your death, the state can and will liquidate those assets to the extent necessary to recover all Medicaid expenditures paid out to the benefit of the deceased (minus burial expenses).

the "QMB" program also pays for all Medicare Part D expenses (shared on a 50/50 basis with state funds).

doc