primitive promises to remember

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1908213

Oh my.

edhopper (1000+ posts)     Fri Sep-09-11 02:43 PM
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So it looks like my district in NYC district is about to go Repuke.

I live in Weiner's old district. Heavily Democratic, but our Dem candidate now trails by 6 points. The Repug is an asshole, but folks are still going to vote for him.

So next time I hear Obama will easily be re-elected or the Dems will retake the house, I'll remember that most voters just aren't paying attention and we could easily see a GOP sweep in 2012.

If I were the primitive, I wouldn't be so pessimistic.

After all, that particular congressional district's run by a Democrat machine that counts the votes, even votes of dead people and people who never existed.

If the (R) candidate was leading in the polls by 25-33%, then I'd believe the (R) has a slender chance.

But not a mere 6%; the machine can take care of that, no problem at all.

Lasher  (1000+ posts)      Fri Sep-09-11 02:46 PM
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1. IIRC the GOP candidate is being helped substantially by endorsement by Orthodox Jews.

Is that correct?

brooklynite  (1000+ posts)      Fri Sep-09-11 02:56 PM
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6. Pro-Israel supporters have decided to make this race about Middle East policy

Apparently there isn't much to discuss about the economy.

Dawson Leery (1000+ posts)      Fri Sep-09-11 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #6

10. Is this poll accurate then?

What are Weprin's chances?

brooklynite  (1000+ posts)      Fri Sep-09-11 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #10
 
13. PPP is a reliable pollster...

That being said, this is an off-off-year election, and may hinge on turn-out operations.

aquart  (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 03:06 PM
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16. Yeah, why would a German-Jewish community support Israel?

Or think their lives depend on it? Not like there are people eager to hate them here for exercising their right to vote.

RIGHT?

Unvanguard (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 03:43 PM
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Only a small fraction of the district thinks Israel is a decisive issue.

It isn't about same-sex marriage either. It is about people disaffected with the economy in a not-so-Democratic district, and an apparently effective campaign by a Republican politician against an apparently ineffectual Democrat.

aquart  (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 03:00 PM
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9. Gosh, you hounded a guy out of office without knowing his district?

I wonder why a German Jewish community thinks Israel is important. Could you hazard a guess?

Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 03:04 PM
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14. Why does that matter?

You aren't implying that this is some sort of nefarious Hebrew plot, are you?

aquart  (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 03:08 PM
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17. Duh.

Don't you know it's all the fault of the Jews?

KamaAina  (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 03:14 PM
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20. Which is kind of rich, seeing as how the Dem candidate is an Orthodox Jew.

aquart  (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 03:20 PM
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26. Party hack. Lackluster party hack.

DU thought this seat was a rotten borough and replacing Weiner would be a cakewalk.

I may never stop being disgusted.

KamaAina  (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 03:38 PM
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28. Yup, lackluster party hacks look pretty bad

that is, until you compare them to repukes.

ClarkUSA (1000+ posts)       Fri Sep-09-11 02:46 PM
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2. The district is not "heavily Democratic" at all. There's a large number of Republicans & indies. 

That's what The New York Times said, as I recall.

still_one  (1000+ posts)      Fri Sep-09-11 02:49 PM
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3. I do not think anyone here is that confident that Obama will be easily re-elected, especially if he goes up against romney

In addition, who knows how stupid the American people are, much of the problems we are going through can be laid directly at the feet of the republicans. Deregulation was started by reagan, both for financial institutions and business. The anti-labor agenda started by reagan is a mainstay of the republican platform.

In addition, there is a lot of frustration with the President from the progressives in the party, however, it will be the so-called independents that decide the election

aquart  (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 03:03 PM
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11. Great superior attitude toward your fellow Americans.

That should work real well. I know it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

primavera  (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 04:10 PM
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37. If the shoe fits

A knuckle-dragging flat earther is a knuckle-dragging flat earther, whether that fact is politically polite or not.

gateley  (1000+ posts)      Fri Sep-09-11 03:14 PM
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21. It will depend on if voters have a job when the election occurs.

As the OP said, most don't pay attention to the politics, but know how much they have to struggle. If the majority of people are scraping by and counting their pennies (if they have any), Obama's gone. That's what happened to HW even though the economy was beginning to improve.

elocs (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 02:50 PM
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4. The Dems are not going to take the House & will be very fortunate to hold the Senate.

Will Obama be defeated? Never say never, stranger things have happened.

Of course if he does lose and Republicans control everything, welcome to Hell.

Yep.  Welcome to Hell.  Hell for the Democrats, liberals, and primitives.

As for the rest of us, not quite so much.

It wouldn't be Paradise for us, because there's a lot of work to do, to undo the mess we're in.

[Erasmus]

6. Pro-Israel supporters have decided to make this race about Middle East policy

Apparently there isn't much to discuss about the economy.

Whut?

Obama hates Israel, that is clear.
Obama hates our economy, that is clear.

If you're Jewish, you're double screwed.  It always surprises me that so many Jews vote democrat.

[jukin]

If NY9 does go R it will only demonstrate how much the country loves 0bama, that republicans, are in deep trouble and better pass another $500 billion slush fund.

If NY9 stays D it will only demonstrate how much the country loves 0bama, that republicans, are in deep trouble and better pass another $500 billion slush fund.

[JohnnyReb]

It's the Jooooos...always the Jooooos....it must be nice to always have someone to blame all your mistakes, troubles and problems on.

[Ballygrl]

Unvanguard  (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-09-11 03:43 PM
Original message
Only a small fraction of the district thinks Israel is a decisive issue.
   
It isn't about same-sex marriage either. It is about people disaffected with the economy in a not-so-Democratic district, and an apparently effective campaign by a Republican politician against an apparently ineffectual Democrat.

Uh huh, keep telling yourself that!

[franksolich]

Well, well, well, well.

Well, well.

The candidates were also forced to defend where they live. Weprin does not reside in the district and cannot vote for himself on Tuesday.

“My mother lives in the district, and I'll be happy to go with her to vote,” said Weprin.

He would not, however, commit to moving into the district should he win the race.

Turner, meanwhile, lives in Breezy Point, a private community in Queens. It’s in the district, though it’s 99 percent white.

“I live in the Rockaways, which is heavily integrated,” said Turner. “I don't see this as a particular issue.”

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/146734/weprin--turner-hold-special-debate-on-ny1

[Ballygrl]

Well, well, well, well.

Well, well.

The candidates were also forced to defend where they live. Weprin does not reside in the district and cannot vote for himself on Tuesday.

“My mother lives in the district, and I'll be happy to go with her to vote,” said Weprin.

He would not, however, commit to moving into the district should he win the race.

Turner, meanwhile, lives in Breezy Point, a private community in Queens. It’s in the district, though it’s 99 percent white.

“I live in the Rockaways, which is heavily integrated,” said Turner. “I don't see this as a particular issue.”

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/146734/weprin--turner-hold-special-debate-on-ny1

OMG! I haven't heard that reported at all on the local news, how the heck is he even able to run? and he should be down by more than 6 frigging points, but this is the State that voted for Hillary, so I can believe people would vote for him.

[FreeBorn]

You DUmmies really crack me up. Your boy Barry goes out of his way time and time again to kick Israel right in the crotch with that big fat "Who's your daddy" grin on his face and now you're all shocked and dismayed that Jewish folks here in the states would vote against his party?

Taking so much for granted, as you DUmmies do, is the mark of a true idiot.

BTW- Have any of you douchenozzles noticed who the republican in that race is running against? For crying out loud, even life long diehard democrats can't bring themselves to vote for that creep.

[BlueStateSaint]

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/146734/weprin--turner-hold-special-debate-on-ny1


OMG! I haven't heard that reported at all on the local news, how the heck is he even able to run? and he should be down by 6 frigging points, but this is the State that voted for Hillary, so I can believe people would vote for him.

I can't remember where I saw it, but an unnamed Dem operative said that it's a major embarrassment for the Dems if they win this seat by anything less than 30 points.  If they actually lose the seat, the Dems will start running around in a similar manner to the rats on the RMS Titanic.  NYers voted for Hillary in the sixth year of a presidency--typically a big winning year for the opposition.  Obama is tanking the entire Democrat Party.  Pretty soon, even dogcatchers in Boston will be disavowing Obama.

[JohnnyReb]

“I live in the Rockaways, which is heavily integrated,” said Turner.

That means there is a black lawyer somewhere in the neighborhood and illegal aliens cut his grass.

[FreeBorn]

Perhaps the folks voting against Weprin are simply identifying with this message from Turner's campaign~

[sybilll]

Perhaps the folks voting against Weprin are simply identifying with this message from Turner's campaign~

Nice find.  Weprin must be deplorable.  Even Ed Koch endorsed him, and recorded his robocalls:

[franksolich]

“I live in the Rockaways, which is heavily integrated,” said Turner.

That means there is a black lawyer somewhere in the neighborhood and illegal aliens cut his grass.

Truner's the R candidate, who lives in the district, sir.

I'm confused however about his address (other than that it's in the district).

Breezy Point, Queens, Rockaways.

Which one is it?

[JohnnyReb]

Truner's the R candidate, who lives in the district, sir.

I'm confused however about his address (other than that it's in the district).

Breezy Point, Queens, Rockaways.

Which one is it?

Doesn't matter Frank. He's a white Yankee, "same difference".

[BlueStateSaint]

Truner's the R candidate, who lives in the district, sir.

I'm confused however about his address (other than that it's in the district).

Breezy Point, Queens, Rockaways.

Which one is it?

This order, Coach--

Breezy Point, which is in the Rockaways section of Queens.

[Skul]

primavera  (1000+ posts)        Fri Sep-09-11 04:03 PM
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35. Do you know why?
 Admittedly, Dems haven't done much to deserve to stay in office of late, so I certainly have no difficulty imagining why voters would be disillusioned with them. But still, what do voters think the alternative is? There can't be that many people who think that wackos like Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry are a better alternative. God knows, we Dems certainly hear all the time about how we have to support spineless, quisling Dems because they're better than the alternative. Doesn't that sort of cut both ways, though? Do Repukes really want to see their party and their country continue on in the lunatic fringe Teabagger vein they've been following of late?

Basic short answer....yes.

[Ballygrl]

Truner's the R candidate, who lives in the district, sir.

I'm confused however about his address (other than that it's in the district).

Breezy Point, Queens, Rockaways.

Which one is it?

Breezy Point is basically a neighborhood in Queens, just like Jamaica is a neighborhood in Queens, it has a large Irish Catholic population and is home to a lot of Police and Firemen, The Rockaways are also located in Queens.

[franksolich]

Breezy Point is basically a neighborhood in Queens, just like Jamaica is a neighborhood in Queens, it has a large Irish Catholic population and is home to a lot of Police and Firemen, The Rockaways are also located in Queens.

Well, my geography of New York is messed up, for sure.

When one says "Rockaways," I think "Far Rockaways," and of the Catskills Mountains or Pocantico.

[Ballygrl]

Well, my geography of New York is messed up, for sure.

When one says "Rockaways," I think "Far Rockaways," and of the Catskills Mountains or Pocantico.

Far Rockaway is a neighborhood in Queens too LOL, it's called Far Rockaway because it's the furthest part of Rockaway.

[franksolich]

Far Rockaway is a neighborhood in Queens too LOL, it's called Far Rockaway because it's the furthest part of Rockaway.

Well, it's been 21 years since I was last in New York City, and so I don't remember.

My family (pre-me) lived in Queens, before moving to Nebraska.

Where's "Woodside" at?  "Flushing Meadows"?  That's Queens, right?

I used to know this stuff.

[franksolich]

Okay, I nadined it.

I was right; both are in Queens.

I told you, madam, the story about how in 1990 I hired a taxi-driver to take me to the places my family had habituated in New York City during the late 1930s and all through the 1940s.....and that while I had all the specific addresses, Bellevue Hospital was the only thing still there.

Even Todd Shipyards had evaporated into thin air.

I guess I waited too long.

[Ballygrl]

The Borough's in NY all have sections, you can say you're from Brooklyn but someone will always ask you what part.

[franksolich]

The Borough's in NY all have sections, you can say you're from Brooklyn but someone will always ask you what part.

But Queens is the high-class borough, right, as compared with the Bronx or Brooklyn or Staten Island?

[Ballygrl]

But Queens is the high-class borough, right, as compared with the Bronx or Brooklyn or Staten Island?

IMO? OMG no way, it's kind of dumpy, though you have some nice sections like Breezy Point, all the Boroughs have some nice sections.

[franksolich]

IMO? OMG no way, it's kind of dumpy, though you have some nice sections like Breezy Point, all the Boroughs have some nice sections.

Okay; now, another question.

Why would two of my three older brothers be listed as having been born in "Long Island City" instead of "New York City"?  I mean, Long Island City isn't really a city; it's a part of the borough of Queens.