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Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« on: September 07, 2011, 06:35:59 PM »
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Oh my.

The iverglas primitive is from Canada, and an anti-gun nut.

The iverglas primitive is also pretty boring.

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iverglas  (1000+ posts)      Sun Aug-28-11 03:35 PM
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so let the games begin
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I am needing an explanation for the deletion of all my posts near the top of this thread:

the subthread starting here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

and this message:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

If you need some background: the poster in question has a special hate on for me, and many of his barbed remarks in his various posts are aimed, without naming me, at me.

This particular thread itself arises out of an earlier exchange -- well, my effort to generate an exchange:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard...

-- unanswered despite many pleas. The poster instead started a new thread in obvious response to that, rather than ever reply to that post. And then my responses in his new thread were deleted.

I appreciate that moderators and admins may have no desire to wade through that OP or the poster's next. I doubt that anyone did.

But if another poster's entire response -- a set of replies that were directly on topic and responsive to the opening thesis -- is to be deleted, somebody needs to have some actual reason.

The entire thread itself was a veiled call out -- a debate from an existing thread, with one particular poster, made the subject of a new thread rather than responding to that poster. Note that the entire first post in the new thread is about a piece written by Mortimer J. Adler -- the piece and author cited by me in the post in the other thread that the poster in question had repeatedly declined to reply to. This is the poster child for:

Do not "stalk" another member from one discussion thread to another. Do not follow someone into another thread to try to continue a disagreement you had elsewhere. Do not talk negatively about an individual in a thread where they are not participating. Do not post messages with the purpose of "calling out" another member or picking a fight with another member. Do not use your signature line to draw negative attention to another member of the board.

(I will say that starting a new thread "to try to continue a disagreement you had elsewhere" with another member, even if that member is cleverly not named, is a fortiori a call out.)

I don't especially care about that, although the incivility of it quite likely coloured my response. I care about being silenced when I responded.

I would ask that I be provided with the text of the deleted messages.

Thank you.

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Skinner ADMIN  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-29-11 11:10 AM
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1. They were removed as personal attacks.

The first one accuses the other person of not being a liberal.

The second one uses a rude nickname.

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iverglas  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-29-11 03:21 PM
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2. as I requested

I would like to have the texts of the posts.

Perhaps you really are not aware of the number of times I and many other people have been called "authoritarian", and that is just the mildest of the epithets, in the Guns forum.

Freedom-haters, liberty-haters, friends of Nazis, oh, and then of course there is the rank bigotry in the references to my and others' nationality.

I frankly don't believe I accused anyone of not being a liberal. "Liberal" isn't actually a compliment where I come from or in most of the world (cf. Phil Ochs), so while I do, not infrequently, enquire as to how someone's comments* coincide with liberal / progressive / d/Democratic philosophy/policy, I don't accuse people of not being "a liberal" because that's no concern of mine. My words would have to be twisted to get that meaning, while the epithets directed at firearms control advocates by gun militants call for no interpretation.
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* statements like:

"taking out that one life may have served a valuable purpose in cleaning up the gene pool"
"gun owners - the chlorine of life"
"my property is worth more to me than the life of any thief" followed by
"Apparently that makes them a subhuman lifeform that deserves to be used for target practice. -- You got that right."

-- all from different posters, all culled quickly from a single thread, referring to the killing of a 17-yr-old would-be vehicle thief by the vehicle owner.

Many wonder how people who make such comments ended up at Democratic Underground, and stay.

And there was nothing remotely approaching such filth in anything I have ever posted.

edit: please see
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
and replies.

Again the thread, by the same poster, was aimed squarely at me, it just took a while for the poster to get around to the point (the links in that post to statements made by myself, which are blatantly misrepresented in that post to the point that the post is an outright lie).

I seriously do not believe that someone who adopts the theory that a person's right to life may be "forfeit" by the commission of a crime is a liberal, by any definition of the term. And I would be quite free to say that in any other forum at DU, I am quite sure.

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iverglas  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-29-11 03:48 PM
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3. is there something you would like to tell me?

A PM might be nice.

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Skinner ADMIN  (1000+ posts)        Tue Aug-30-11 11:05 AM
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4. I'm not sure I do have anything to tell you.

If you want to spend your time butting heads with people in the Guns forum, that's your choice. But I think you need to understand that there is only so much we can do in there, and frankly, I don't really have much interest in getting involved.

It's my job -- and the moderators job -- to enforce the rules, regardless of who breaks them. It's not easy, but we do the best we can.

You go, Skins.  Atta boy, sir.

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iverglas  (1000+ posts)      Wed Sep-07-11 11:36 AM
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5. sorry ... I wandered off to do something interesting ...

My cryptic question has now been answered; seems I was caught by a very coincidental bug.  (I haven't tested it but I'm going with definitely coincidental.)

I suppose there may be "only so much" that can be done in the Guns forum, the problem being that too little of it is done, too late -- a symptom of the interest level, I guess.

The idea that the statements I quoted above and the posters who make them, just for starters, are welcome at this website, well, words fail.

I've spent a decade refuting a particular lie about Dianne Feinstein that surfaces in that forum, oh, monthly (a quotation taken out of all context and promulgated on right-wing websites as proof that Dianne Feinstein stated she sought to "ban all guns"). Still it is posted, over and over -- a clear attack on an elected Democrat based on a right-wing lie -- and still the people who post it continue to post. This is but one of my many favourite things about the forum.

The forum is infested with right-wing lies, right-wing media sources, right-wing ideology, praise for right-wing public figures ... and it is read around the world; I'm sure you did not fail to note The Guardian taking note of remarks about the mass murder in Norway (if only the campers had all had guns!!) made there by a poster tombstoned later the same day; the interesting thing I noted was that it was my reply to said poster that had been deleted a day or two earlier, while his posts stood ...

If a regular old DU member ever makes the mistake of wandering into that forum, they are set upon by the waiting, um, hordes, and generally beat a rather quick retreat. It's an odd experience for often long-time, essentially mainstream members of the site.

Me, I just don't like right-wing lies, so occasionally I drop by and amuse myself and the odd other genuine progressive in the vicinity by showing them up. Tombstoned trolls then go off to their lairs elsewhere on the net and tell tales about me (before returning under new names, as they also describe in detail elsewhere). That's amusing too.

Anyway, no answer to my original question, so I'll get back to hunting down other people's ancestors on line while waiting for Parliament here to resume and work to pick up.

You know, I've always wondered why the iverglas primitive has such an irrational obsession with taking guns away from people.

For the record, franksolich does not own or use a firearm.  However, franksolich is a stalwart friend of the Second Amendment.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 06:48:37 PM »
iverglas is the Canadian Pitt without the charm.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 06:50:41 PM »
Iverglas is one of the biggest blowhards over there.  When I had a DU account, that was my favorite forum.   
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 06:52:30 PM »
Quote from: Doc Savage on September 07, 2011, 06:50:41 PM
Iverglas is one of the biggest blowhards over there.  When I had a DU account, that was my favorite forum.   


Well, she's whining about people there in the gun forum picking fights with her, but on the other hand, she goes in there first to pick fights.  It gives one the impression the iverglas primitive wants to change the guns forum into the anti-guns forum, and won't settle for less.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2011, 07:12:39 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on September 07, 2011, 06:52:30 PM
Well, she's whining about people there in the gun forum picking fights with her, but on the other hand, she goes in there first to pick fights.  It gives one the impression the iverglas primitive wants to change the guns forum into the anti-guns forum, and won't settle for less.
From just reading the title to many of the OP's, it appears it's half way there, already.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 07:24:21 PM »
At CU several years ago, the Iverglas primitive wandered over at the behest of member Gern Blanstein who challenged her, and promptly clubbed her like a baby seal with documented evidence after documented evidence.  She slithered off in rather short order.

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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 07:26:58 PM »
Quote from: Skul on September 07, 2011, 07:12:39 PM
From just reading the title to many of the OP's, it appears it's half way there, already.

Well, this is what gets me.

The iverglas primitive is an attorney in Canada, ostensibly from good breeding and a good background.

Well, she certainly doesn't display the manners and courtesy of those sorts of people.

There is the guns forum on Skins's island; it's intended to be a place where primitives who like guns, can hang around.

The iverglas primitive doesn't like guns; they're not her thing.

Okay, fine.

Good manners and etiquette would then dictate that she, ostensibly a person of good breeding, stay away from the guns forum, and leave the enthusiasts there in peace and quiet.  There's plenty of other places on Skins's island that the iverglas primitive can hang around with company more amenable to her own tastes.

But no.....she insists upon going to a place where she can do nothing but disrupt.

Okay.  As everyone here knows, franksolich abhors fish as much as the iverglas primitive abhors guns.

I wouldn't touch a fish with a ten-foot primitive.

However.

However.

However.

There's lots and lots of people who like fish, and fishing.  Probably more of those who do, than don't.

If conservativecave had a fishing forum, because I couldn't possibly do anything but disagree with the fishing enthusiasts therein, disrupting things, my own good background in good manners and courtesy would dictate that I simply leave the fishing forum alone in peace and quiet.

If I went in there, it would only disrupt.  So I wouldn't go in there, and if I did, I should be thrown out on my ass.

I'm really starting to doubt the iverglas primitive is as upper-crust as she thinks she is--her manners and her sense of courtesy certainly don't show it; in fact she comes across as an uncouth philistinic barbarian, an ignorant savage.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2011, 07:31:30 PM »
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... in fact she comes across as an uncouth philistinic barbarian, an ignorant savage.

IOW, a primitive's primitive.

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« Last Edit: September 07, 2011, 07:35:08 PM by USA4ME »
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2011, 07:38:14 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on September 07, 2011, 07:31:30 PM
IOW, a primitive's primitive.

I know our colleague Tucker for the past few years has tried getting the iverglas primitive to win one of the Top 10 DUmmies awards, with little success, but now I'm starting to think the honor's overdue for her (as it had been for the Die alte Sau last year).  She is nothing but an uppity snob with little reason to be so.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2011, 07:57:38 PM »
I do believe that I have had Iverglas on my top ten DoY every submission. I might have missed a year but do not believe so.

She lives in the ghetto/slums of Toronto. She was a practicing attorney but I think she was disbarred. Her lower flat has been broken into several time. She has been brutally assaulted and yet does not believe in any resistance or defense.

I have went around and around with her for years.

She much donate large sums of money to the DUmp as she gets away with all kinds of personal attacks, all in the gungeon.

She has outlasted Mr. Benchley and BillBuckhead, both ardent anti gun zealots. Villiger is another one in that klavern but Y'all know her better from GD, where she makes her presence known.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2011, 08:11:59 PM »
Quote from: Tucker on September 07, 2011, 07:57:38 PM
She lives in the ghetto/slums of Toronto. She was a practicing attorney but I think she was disbarred. Her lower flat has been broken into several time.

Okay, I'm probably wrong about her socio-economic status, but she does come across as a holier-than-thou elitist snob.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2011, 08:22:24 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on September 07, 2011, 08:11:59 PM
Okay, I'm probably wrong about her socio-economic status, but she does come across as a holier-than-thou elitist snob.

You're not mistaken. Although I would add condescending bitch.

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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2011, 08:49:57 PM »
Quote from: Tucker on September 07, 2011, 08:22:24 PM
You're not mistaken. Although I would add condescending bitch.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2011, 04:33:28 AM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on September 07, 2011, 08:49:57 PM
Hey, watch it! You're stepping on nadin's toes, bud.

I think the title of Condescending Bitch is big enough for the two of them, sir.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2011, 05:27:29 AM »
I say put her and nadin in a room armed with nothing but google and see who walks out alive. :-)
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2011, 05:41:05 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on September 08, 2011, 04:33:28 AM
I think the title of Condescending Bitch is big enough for the two of them, sir.

Absolutely --

One is Miss Condescending Bitch Canada, the other is Miss Condescending Bitch USA.

Once they hold their yearly international competition, the winner will be crowned Miss Condescending Bitch World.
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2011, 07:47:54 AM »
Oh, but the field of candidates is much broader than that.  Uppity Person comes to mind.  Others will, too. 

This made me laugh:

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They were removed as personal attacks.

The first one accuses the other person of not being a liberal.

:lmao:

Your point about a Fishing forum is right on, Frank.  Same as if there was a section "People Who Like Burgers Juicy and Medium Rare"   :-)
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Re: Skins doesn't have anything to tell the iverglas primitive
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2011, 11:12:39 PM »
Quote from: miskie on September 08, 2011, 05:41:05 AM
Absolutely --

One is Miss Condescending Bitch Canada, the other is Miss Condescending Bitch USA.

Once they hold their yearly international competition, the winner will be crowned Miss Condescending Bitch World.
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