Omaha union deadbeat is anAmerican Indian- he must want Federal benefits

[Tucker]

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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Tue Sep-06-11 08:28 PM
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Lest We Forget: The Trail of Tears (my great great grandmother SURVIVED)   Updated at 8:55 PM
   
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 08:29 PM by Omaha Steve

Every so often somebody brings up Native (now called FIRST AMERICANS) Americans and how they were treated after the white man landed on Americas Eastern shores. It came up today on a Yahoo group I'm on. It got to me. My reply:



Tell that to my several relatives that died on the trail of tears!

My great great grandmother escaped the forced march and was protected by a bi-racial household until it was safe to leave. My great great grandmother never saw any of her family members again.

My favorite flower is the Cherokee Rose. Today it still blooms along the trail paths. My paternal grandmothers maiden name was Hatie Rose. Hatie was the 1/2 breed that harbored my great great grandmother.



   
Edited on Tue Sep-06-11 08:29 PM by Omaha Steve

Every so often somebody brings up Native (now called FIRST AMERICANS) Americans and how they were treated after the white man landed on Americas Eastern shores. It came up today on a Yahoo group I'm on. It got to me. My reply:



Tell that to my several relatives that died on the trail of tears!

My great great grandmother escaped the forced march and was protected by a bi-racial household until it was safe to leave. My great great grandmother never saw any of her family members again.

My favorite flower is the Cherokee Rose. Today it still blooms along the trail paths. My paternal grandmothers maiden name was Hatie Rose. Hatie was the 1/2 breed that harbored my great great grandmother.




http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/trail-of-tea... of Tears

In 1838, the United States government forcibly removed more than 16,000 Cherokee Indian people from their homelands in Tennessee, Alabama, North Carolina, and Georgia, and sent them to Indian Territory (today known as Oklahoma). The impact to the Cherokee was devastating. Hundreds of Cherokee died during their trip west, and thousands more perished from the consequences of relocation. This tragic chapter in American and Cherokee history became known as the Trail of Tears, and culminated the implementation of the Indian Removal Act of 1830, which mandated the removal of all American Indian tribes east of the Mississippi River to lands in the West.

Early in the 19th century, the United States felt threatened by England and Spain, who held land in the western part of the continent. At the same time, American citizens clamored for more land. President Thomas Jefferson proposed the creation of a buffer zone between U.S. and European holdings, to be inhabited by eastern American Indians. This plan would also allow for American expansion westward from the original colonies to the Mississippi River.

Between 1816 and 1840, tribes located between the original states and the Mississippi River, including Cherokees, Chickasaws, Choctaws, Creeks, and Seminoles, signed more than 40 treaties ceding their lands to the U.S. In his 1829 inaugural address, President Andrew Jackson set a policy to relocate eastern Indians. In 1830 his plan was endorsed by the Congress passed the Indian Removal Act to force those remaining to move west of the Mississippi. Between 1830 and 1850, about 100,000 American Indians living between Michigan, Louisiana, and Florida moved west after the U.S. government coerced treaties or used the U.S. Army against those resisting. Many were treated brutally. An estimated 3,500 Creeks dies in Alabama and on their westward Journey.

Beginning in 1791 a series of treaties between the United States and the Cherokees living in Georgia gave recognition to the Cherokee as a nation with their own laws and customs. Nevertheless, treaties and agreements gradually whittled away at this land base, and in the late 1700s some Cherokees sought refuge from white interference by moving to northwestern Arkansas between the White and Arkansas Rivers. As more and more land cessions were forced on the Cherokees during the first two decades of the 1800s, the number moving to Arkansas increased. Then in 1819, the Cherokee National Council notified the federal government that it would no longer cede land, thus hardening their resolve to remain on their traditional homelands.

FULL article at link.



This picture, The Trail of Tears, was painted by Robert Lindneux in 1942. It commemorates the suffering of the Cherokee people under forced removal. If any depictions of the "Trail of Tears" were created at the time of the march, they have not survived.

Image Credit: The Granger Collection, New York



Nothing to do with the trail, but I thought I'd see who read the entire post.

Why not.

The democrat party has exploited every other minority for their own gain, why not the American Indian? They live in horrible conditions totally reliant of Government handouts for survival.

This socialist union mans GG Grand Mother would have been better off if she didn't survive the ordeal. I know American would have. Steve wouldn't have been born if she would have perished.

Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Tue Sep-06-11 08:39 PM
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1. Andrew Jackson (and Congress) have blood on their hands
   
Of course Jackson was a slave-owner as well. Despicable human being.

Wasn't Jackson a member of the democrat party? oh yeah. That's right. It is the democrat party that has the racist history.

cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Tue Sep-06-11 09:11 PM
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2. Largest stain on our republic,
   
along with slavery: genocide, plain and simple. America needs a Truth and Reconciliation Commission like S. Africa had, to address this

Sounds like reparations to me.

nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Tue Sep-06-11 09:41 PM
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7. I am preparing a class
   
It was never mentioned in my college course work

So will parallel this with the history of Mexico. The first few lectures will deal with the pre-Columbian period. Mexico I can almost do in my sleep. This...readying, notes and all that.

What class? You don't have any class.

[franksolich]

Yeah, yeah.

I've heard this all before, from my fellow Nebraskan.

He thinks because he's 1/64th or 1/128th some long-ago oppressed minority, he shares in their suffering.

It's all bullshit.

[Chris_]

Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Tue Sep-06-11 08:28 PM
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The Trail of Tears

It's not meant to be taken literally, you crybaby.

I think O-Steve would last about 1000 meters.

[BannedFromDU]

Does Steve actually DO anything besides try to extort money from corporations and white people?

What a dickhead.

[Chris_]

Does Steve actually DO anything besides try to extort money from corporations and white people?

Social justice! 

[jukin]

Sorry but I will still call them Indians.

[Freeper]

Yeah, yeah.

I've heard this all before, from my fellow Nebraskan.

He thinks because he's 1/64th or 1/128th some long-ago oppressed minority, he shares in their suffering.

It's all bullshit.

I imagine, every one of us here could go back far enough in our ancestry, and find someone who was oppressed at one time or another. The difference is, we won't demand a check from the govt for it.
 

[Celtic Rose]

I don't think that there are many who would deny that some of the early settlers treated the Native Americans pretty horrifically.  It is good to look back at our history and acknowledge where mistakes were made.  However, I don't believe that anybody deserves any compensation for the mistreatment of their ancestors. 

[Tucker]

I imagine, every one of us here could go back far enough in our ancestry, and find someone who was oppressed at one time or another. The difference is, we won't demand a check from the govt for it.
 

My GG Grand Daddy came from Ireland. The old saying "The luck of the Irish" doesn't mean you were blessed with good fortune. It means you were cursed for being Irish.

[BannedFromDU]

I imagine, every one of us here could go back far enough in our ancestry, and find someone who was oppressed at one time or another.

Yeah, like right ****ing now, by the insanely idiotic unemployed freeloading asshole DUmmies. They are really on my nerves tonight.

[GOBUCKS]

It's legend in my family that somewhere back around the 1840s, my great-great-grandfather as a young man went on an adventure to
the West to shoot buffalo and Indians. I don't know if he killed any of either, but he returned a few years later, bringing back a
big old buffalo rifle that is still in the family. The way the story has been handed down through the generations, it's clear that back then
Indians were just considered predatory vermin.

[seahorse513]

My ex hubby once told me that current Native Americans do not have to either pay property tax or federal tax. Has anyone ever heard of this??

[Alpha Mare]

I have more Indian blood than the Omaha idjit. He should know that most refer to themselves as Indians or Americans.  Libtards like Stevie insist on the 'native/first' whatever bs and think we all look like this-

[franksolich]

Actually, when one looks, my fellow Nebraskan looks more Polish (or other Slavic) than anything else.

For the record, because of one of my great-grandmothers, franksolich is one-eighth Jewish, which is a Hell of a lot more "oppressed minority" than Omaha Steve.  But while I'm deeply and sincerely appreciative of my long-ago Hebraic forbearers, I'm hardly qualified to push this "I'm part of an oppressed minority" bullshit.

[FlaGator]

I thought that liberals were all about evolution and survival of the fittest.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

My ex hubby once told me that current Native Americans do not have to either pay property tax or federal tax. Has anyone ever heard of this??

They pay both. They do get some tax breaks on treatied land.I think tribally owned businesses also pay very little if any tax as long as the business is on tribal land.Individual natives still pay federal and state tax just as you do.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Sorry but I will still call them Indians.

And I still hope to keep seeing logos like this:

[Karin]

That was my high school logo. 

Some Indian...Omaha Steve has Irish stamped all over that schnozz of his. 

We've got the Mohawks up here...a feisty bunch, they do not like NY state government.  State troopers included.  They're constantly in court with the state, and because of the casinos, they have more money for lawyers than the state does. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Well, Steve, if those Indian ancestors could see you now, they'd know their revenge on White society was almost complete.

 

And I have a few Indians in my genetic woodpile too, not Cherokee though.

[Vagabond]

Sorry but I will still call them Indians.

A better, though longer, term would be the people who killed off the people that came before them and were in turn killed off by the people who came after them.  Not first by a shot though.  Kenniwick Man.

[franksolich]

Well, Steve, if those Indian ancestors could see you now, they'd know their revenge on White society was almost complete.

The whole thing is just so phony.

Since my own roots go clear back even before Abraham and Isaac, that's a whole lot of ancestors, and I'm sure the probabilities are that some of those ancestors were "oppressed minorities," and suffered greatly.

However, to dare think I've "co-suffered" with them, borne the same afflictions they did, and shared in their sorrows, is patently absurd.  In fact, it's downright insulting (to them).

My fellow Nebraskan, being the way he is, is dishonoring this long-ago ancestor, spitting on her, pissing on her grave.  Omaha Steve is just silly, and worthy of all the Contempt he gets.

[miskie]

I thought that liberals were all about evolution and survival of the fittest.

Only in matters of faith.

Other than that, they will latch their wagon onto any convenient vehicle of victimhood. 

[Tucker]

The whole thing is just so phony.

Since my own roots go clear back even before Abraham and Isaac, that's a whole lot of ancestors, and I'm sure the probabilities are that some of those ancestors were "oppressed minorities," and suffered greatly.

However, to dare think I've "co-suffered" with them, borne the same afflictions they did, and shared in their sorrows, is patently absurd.  In fact, it's downright insulting (to them).

My fellow Nebraskan, being the way he is, is dishonoring this long-ago ancestor, spitting on her, pissing on her grave.  Omaha Steve is just silly, and worthy of all the Contempt he gets.

My Mother's family came from Ireland and settled in SE Kentucky. Daddy's side came from England and settled in NE Tennessee. Both sides mountain folk. what this means is my family tree is like a toothpick.

[franksolich]

My Mother's family came from Ireland and settled in SE Kentucky. Daddy's side came from England and settled in NE Tennessee. Both sides mountain folk. what this means is my family tree is like a toothpick.

What that means is that you derived from stock pleasing to God, sir.

When it comes to evaluating people, I suspect God's yardstick is different from ours.

[Vagabond]

My Mother's family came from Ireland and settled in SE Kentucky. Daddy's side came from England and settled in NE Tennessee. Both sides mountain folk. what this means is my family tree is like a toothpick.

That's good stock.  I've met some tough ornery folk from that part of the world.

I'm a certified mutt.  I have some French Huguenot blood, some Irish, some Scots-Irish, some Finnish, and more than anything else creek.

My French ancestors actually seem to have been pirates after they escaped France.  My family probably draws it's structure more from the creek, I have many cousins that have been adopted into the family over the years.