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Guitar Wars
« on: August 28, 2011, 03:39:53 PM »
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Aug-27-11 10:02 PM
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Gibson Guitars Under Attack By U.S. Justice Department
   
Source: Daily Markets

Gibson CEO Henry Juszkiewicz was a guest yesterday on The Dana Show and explained what led to the raid this week at two Gibson facilities where armed federal agents seized guitars, wood and company records, forcing Gibson to send hundreds of workers home. Due to the disruption in production at four factories, the company lost $1 million this week.
In the radio interview, the Gibson CEO first pointed out that this is not the first time the company has been subjected to a government raid. In 2009, the government seized $500,000 of Gibson’s property, but the company was never charged with any offenses and Gibson is now suing the government to get its property back.

The current allegation is that Gibson has obtained illegal, partially finished, wooden guitar fingerboard blanks from India. Under Indian law, wood products have to meet certain minimum “India content” requirements before they can be certified for export. Then the exported wood and documentation from India has to be cleared by U.S. Customs. In this case, all of the legal requirements by the Indian government were met, legal paperwork accompanied the wood to the U.S., and the materials and accompanying paperwork were then approved by the U.S. government before delivery to Gibson.

But now the government is apparently claiming that according to its peculiar interpretation of Indian law, Gibson’s fingerboard blanks don’t have sufficient “Indian content,” and the guitarmaker is in violation of Indian law.

Read more: http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2011/08/27/gibson-u... /


WTF?

Now here is a  :thatsright: moment

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Dr Hobbitstein (1 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Aug-27-11 10:19 PM
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9. Actually...
   
As a guitarist, Gibson has undergone some dirty dealings since the current CEO has been running things. Prices have increased, quality has DECREASED, they've been involved in dirty dealings with this whole wood fiasco (which has been an ongoing issue in the guitar community for some time now, I suggest reading MyLesPaul.com's forums sometime), they're rated near the bottom as far as top companies to work for (#1 as far as this 09 HufPo survey goes http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/21/worst-companie... ).

Orville Gibson would be ashamed of what has gone on in his once prosperous company.

And guess who is to blame....

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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Aug-27-11 11:38 PM
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26. He's a Republican, whatdaya expect. Luckily I have my three Gibsons.

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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Aug-28-11 12:23 AM
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37. What do politics have to do with lawbreaking? Destroying someone else's environment...
   
for your musical enjoyment shouldn't fall into the realm of politics. The responses here are quite disturbing as DU used to be concerned about the environment. At least they pretended to be during the oil spill, and when the terror from Alaska was hanging out of helicopters shooting innocent animals. Should we only enforce the laws that impact you personally? :shrug:

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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Aug-28-11 01:14 AM
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45. Republicans are more likely to do this kind of chit -- if they did something.
   

That's what politics has to do with it. While there are exceptions, I think liberal led corporations are less likely to do this kind of illegal and/or immoral/unethical stuff. And, this is relatively new -- the guitars I have were long before this kind of stuff. But, we don't really know what's involved yet.

I hope they enforce this law, if Gibson did something wrong. Trees are important to me. Less important, but fortuitous would be that my old wood guitars will be worth more when the cart me off to the nursing home where I can no longer sing "This land is your land, this land is my land" . . . . . .on a Gibson, almost like Woody Guthrie's.

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80. Gibson guitar left Kalamazoo, Michigan years ago to escape environmental regulation.
   
They are a sweat shop.

Yet guys like these are still using.....  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gibson_players

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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2011, 03:45:52 PM »
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Gibson guitar left Kalamazoo, Michigan years ago to escape environmental regulation.
Gibson located in Tennessee for the same reasons as countless other companies - pro-business local governments, right-to-work, and no income tax.

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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2011, 04:03:51 PM »
What an absolutely peculiar decision for a raid.

This must be Bush's Fault® 

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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2011, 07:47:10 PM »
Silly me, I thought that American laws would take precedence over another country's in the USA.

We are no longer a nation of laws but a nation of men.
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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2011, 09:09:36 PM »
Silly me, I thought that American laws would take precedence over another country's in the USA.

We are no longer a nation of laws but a nation of men.

According to the justice department, the country of origin can say the product meets their standards, certify it and allow it to ship, and our justice department can step in and say it didin't meet the other country's requirements.  That makes no sense whatever. 

I'm guessing Gibson didn't pay an appropriate amount of protection....er,I mean campaign donations....to suit the DC elite.
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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2011, 09:47:59 PM »
They're usually republican doners. 
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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2011, 10:12:31 PM »
What an absolutely peculiar decision for a raid.

This must be Bush's Fault®  
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stolen. That deserves to be on a T-shirt.

So... According tot he DUmmie responses Gibson has jacked their prices (but only since being Shanghaied by a dirty rethuglican buccaneer CEO) and the quality has nosedived? Gibson is a sweatshop?

I have two Gibson guitars, an SG and a Les Paul. Both are handmade by highly skilled NON UNION artisans, many of which are following in their father's and grandfather's footsteps at Gibson going back generations. I have read several interviews of these people over the years and to a man all of them are immensely proud to be a part of an American icon and feel deeply privileged to be working at Gibson. Both of my Gibsons are fantastic instruments, the benchmark of American luthiery. The SG is a '67 standard model and the Les Paul is a '74 Deluxe. I frequently check out Gibson's latest offerings in my favorite music store and I'll have you know, DUmmie, the quality of today is every bit as top notch as ever.

Gibson is being deliberately targeted by the Soros Soetoro/Holder regime solely because of those facts. It has absolutely nothing to do with any trumped up baloney about wood. This is all about attacking yet another iconic American brand that is non union and highly successful. They want Gibson dead and plowed under so Hong of Kong can fill the void in the market.

What's next, Harley Davidson? Go ahead, piss off 100,000 bikers and see what that brings down on you.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2011, 10:33:23 PM by FreeBorn »


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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2011, 11:09:32 PM »
I don't know. For some reason, the Kenyan's regime has a huge hard on for Gibson. It isn't because their management is Republican, nearly all successful managers are Republicans. It's not because they're non-union, nearly all businesses that survive are non-union. There has to be some other reason they've targeted Gibson for destruction, but I don't know what it is. Maybe a big time moonbat runs Fender.

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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2011, 12:39:33 AM »
I do question why a Democratic donating guitar manufacturer, using the same wood, got a pass, whilst Gibson didn't eh?  http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/08/ceo-of-gibson-guitars-main-competitor.html
There are some moonbats in the comments squealing about the centimeters of wood used at Gibson, or some such, but, I just know they are pulling out their spleens and twisting them into pretzels in order to justify their Savior's facist tactics.

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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2011, 01:01:59 AM »
Great find, sybilll.  :cheersmate:

If not for the union thing or the republican thing as GOBUCKS pointed out I think the targeting -and that's how I see this- could be simply for the fact that Gibson is an iconic American brand. One more "big F'n deal" to be dealt a blow against of the America they openly hate so vehemently. One the public will at least subconsciously view and as well accept as another example of American industry being a thing of the past.

Fender is a bit different and wouldn't be on their targeting radar as much. Leo Fender sold the company in 1967 to CBS who for at least awhile kept things domestic and didn't yet sully the integrity of the marque. Over time production was farmed out to several countries, Japan, South Korea, Mexico and the cheapest of materials and processes were used.
Fender ain't what it used to be and everyone knows that.


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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2011, 01:20:32 AM »
FreeBorn, no thanks needed.  But, you have a '74 Les Paul, for real?  I live in the home of the blues, and where the Gibson's are made (minus the wood from India ~sarc), and though I may not recognize an SG, I know a classic Les Paul when I see one.  I am not worthy.   :bow:

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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2011, 03:04:43 AM »
Oh stop, it's a guitar (damn nice one though). It was born as a "Deluxe" model which I believe they made for a year or two. The only difference usually recognized from a typical Les Paul Standard being that it had "soapbar" pickups from the factory. They got that name for being like the little bars of soap in hotels.
These were slightly smaller pickups that were seen as a necessity in certain situations as opposed to the usual double coil humbuckers which sucked a lot of power if shared with other instruments in a PA making it difficult to balance the overall sound onstage. If a player had a Les Paul and there was also a fender which typically had single coil pickups then the Gibson would tend to drown out the Fender in the mix. Big dogs rule the porch.
When I bought my Deluxe in a music store in Kailua in '86 (where THE ONE vacationed recently) in Hawaii I got it used. It was twelve years old by then and some previous owner had it professionally altered, routed out and installed original '59 PAF pickups. I paid $450.00 for it at the time, a lowball price even then because I pointed out that the original tuners had been swapped out for gold Grovers (common, and arguably better to players but not collectors) and the fact that the face of the tobacco sunburst finish had some lurid scratches on it. At the time I didn't realize all of the alterations, it seemed a common Standard model at face value save for the "Deluxe" marked truss rod cover which was the only indicator that got me researching, starting with the serial number which belied its true original configuration. I came to learn later the significance of the differences and appreciated the improvements. The 1959 patent applied for pickups make a world of difference in its voice. They are rare and highly sought after. The neck shape and the body construction of the Deluxe was slightly different than the Standard too and many Les Paul aficionados prefer it. There is an additional layer of wood midway in the mohagany body, a thin layer of darker wood about a 16th of an inch thick. Some say this makes a difference and some don't. All I know is sustain is coveted, Les Pauls are known for it and this guitar will hold a note 'till next year.
I really don't care what it looks like, not that it's ugly with the scratches, to me it matters only how it sounds and how I can make it sing. Smooth is not the word to do justice.
I've had many Fenders too over the years, I can certainly appreciate their voice too. I just don't like them, period. I don't like the diminutive size and the feather weight. They feel like toys in the hand. I don't like the bolted on necks either. Have a person playing a Gibson electric seated next to a person playing a Fender electric and anyone can instantly hear the difference in quality and intonation. Fenders are toy crap.
Honestly I don't know what my Les Paul is worth today. I've had it for 25 years or so. I do know that I could sell just the '59 pickups for a whole lot more than the guitar itself is worth but that would be like cutting up one of my children.

sybilll I've been down on Beale St. a time or two, played an open mic night in Handy's one night. I played Clapton's version of "Hideaway" and the crowd liked it but I was an 18 year old jarhead and the crowd liked some longhair in leather better that played shred metal on a flying V so he won. I played my SG, didn't have the Les Paul yet. That one I got for $150 bucks from a guy that was shipping out from Millington and needed cash. Still have that one too. It has the long stop tailpiece and the hardshell case but it's missing its whammy bar, originals are hard to come by.
After all it's from '67 (me too) and old stuff ain't easy to find.


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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2011, 12:43:39 PM »
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26. He's a Republican, whatdaya expect. Luckily I have my three Gibsons.

Hypocrite much?  He's evil, not because he makes fretboards out of a particular type of Indian wood, but becuase he's a Republican.  Obviously, this dolt doesn't think that making fretboards out of the wrong wood is evil, because he owns three of them.  Doh.

I only have one Gibson, with an ebony fretboard from Madagascar inlaid with spotted owl beak.  Breathtaking, really.
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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2011, 03:37:13 PM »
NAMBLA is a left-wing organization.

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Re: Guitar Wars
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2011, 04:04:30 PM »
It's funny how the only reason mentioned in the story was simply the interpretation of a protectionist labor law in India, then so many DU moonbats jumped on the "Protect the treeeeeees!" wagon instead.
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