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Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2011, 10:55:17 PM »
He shot at a door.

And killed a person that he knew was on the other side of the door. Walk away and call the police and the scumbag goes to jail.
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Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2011, 10:57:49 PM »
And killed a person that he knew was on the other side of the door. Walk away and call the police and the scumbag goes to jail.
Yes, but there was no way of knowing if there was somebody else on the other side.  I knew one idiot who fired a few rounds at his girlfriend's home (she lived with her parents)... the fool was sentenced to ten years for shooting into an occupied dwelling.
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Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2011, 11:53:38 PM »
What do you do Mr Mann?
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Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2011, 01:00:07 PM »
im gonna start this with states rights. for instance, currently in MN you need to show you did not have an "out". If you dont attempt to flee if given the opportunity you cant use deadly force. Colorado seems to have the same law as MN's. my state congressman is pushing for the castle doctrine here and i support it. Basically, if you're on your property (this can mean somewhere in your vehicle or in a tent at a campground, etc) you can defend yourself from a deadly threat without having to flee.  in this case though is the question of a threat. the "victim" was hiding in a shed. the "suspect" shot him through the door. I say "how do you know that the guy wasnt preparing for an attack behind that door and was about to jump out to attack the lot owner?" the guy was high on meth. meth heads do crazy shit. did the lot owner know he was high, no. did he know he was sober and hiding to diffuse the situation, no.

i support a law that allows deadly force to end threats of bodily harm. Without the need to show an attempt to flee first. and Without the need to be on your own private property. In a public place the same bodily harm threat should be dealt with in the same way as on private property. I also feel firing a gun at someone who merely has a baseball bat is justifiable. The force used for self defense should not be limited to the force of the threat. In most issues i dont tend to be on the compassionate side. In this issue, i tend to be on the "when in doubt, take em out" side.



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Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2011, 01:14:05 PM »
He shot at a door.

Knowing the perp was inside.  Reckless endangerment when the perp presented no threat.
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Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2011, 01:15:04 PM »
I work with foreclosures and get to throw people out in the streets. Major bank.
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Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2011, 02:58:14 PM »
im gonna start this with states rights. for instance, currently in MN you need to show you did not have an "out". If you dont attempt to flee if given the opportunity you cant use deadly force. Colorado seems to have the same law as MN's. my state congressman is pushing for the castle doctrine here and i support it. Basically, if you're on your property (this can mean somewhere in your vehicle or in a tent at a campground, etc) you can defend yourself from a deadly threat without having to flee.  in this case though is the question of a threat. the "victim" was hiding in a shed. the "suspect" shot him through the door. I say "how do you know that the guy wasnt preparing for an attack behind that door and was about to jump out to attack the lot owner?" the guy was high on meth. meth heads do crazy shit. did the lot owner know he was high, no. did he know he was sober and hiding to diffuse the situation, no.

i support a law that allows deadly force to end threats of bodily harm. Without the need to show an attempt to flee first. and Without the need to be on your own private property. In a public place the same bodily harm threat should be dealt with in the same way as on private property. I also feel firing a gun at someone who merely has a baseball bat is justifiable. The force used for self defense should not be limited to the force of the threat. In most issues i dont tend to be on the compassionate side. In this issue, i tend to be on the "when in doubt, take em out" side.

I agree with you on this.

However, no matter what the law says, in the end it often comes down to what a jury decides.   Several years ago near Atlanta, a guy filling up his car at a gas station was robed at gun point.  He gave the thief his wallet and the thief turned and started to walk away.  The guy who had been robed had a concealed pistol.  He pulled it out and shot the thief in the back and killed him.  The case went to trial.  The jury acquitted him because they said even though the thief had turned his back and was walking away the guy who was robbed could not know it the thief was going to turn back around and shot him.  I think the jury made the right decision.   

This could have gone either way based on who happened to be on jury.

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Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2011, 09:40:56 AM »
Yup, moral of this thread is that before you shoot make sure you have a good lawyer.

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Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2011, 02:02:03 PM »
Suit or no suit, if you break into a business with the intent of stealing something, the owners should have the right to blast you.  The implication in this case is that if you're being robbed by one of these flash mobs who aren't armed at all, is that you have to stand there and watch these sacks of crap walk out and go free.  But I guess in a welfare state, the government doesn't want you protecting your private property.  I wouldn't have awarded the daughter crap.

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Re: Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2011, 02:48:45 PM »
I live in Georgia.  My wife is a lawyer.  We have talked about this.  If a burglar comes into your home and you shoot and kill him, no jury would ever convict you, and for that reason, no prosecutor would ever bother to bring it to court.  Keep in mind we are talking about a burglar in the home, not car lot, and we are talking about Georgia and not Colorado.

We have the castle doctrine here. You don't have to flee, your home, your car, your yard, anywhere you have a right to be at. You can also use deadly force to prevent a felony and whether or not a potential perp had a weapon, well, he was going for something in his pocket, officer, I swear.
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