hypochondrial primitive whines about therapist lying to her

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=276x11489

Oh my.

In case one's not aware, the mopinko primitive's had every ailment and disease known in the history of mankind, including some that haven't yet been discovered.  She's even had hemophilia and prostrate problems.

mopinko   (1000+ posts)        Sun Aug-14-11 04:23 PM
Original message

my therapist lied to me. 

very frustrated now with the whole mental illness treatment deal. pdoc is being a world class asshole. not even really seeing this talker now, having been sort of encouraged to move along. but..

a while back hubby accompanied me to my lcsw. it didn't go too well. he asked for and reluctantly received 5 minutes alone with her at the end of the session. i didn't really pry with either of them about what was said, but in later sessions she repeated something about him that made me wonder what was said.

i finally asked him about it. what is annoying me is not that part, but that she did relay something that he "said". she claims that he told her that i was "the most fascinating woman he had ever met." i found it quite unbelievable at the time, as it was completely uncharacteristic. i asked him about it then, and he confirmed that he had said it. he had no answer for why he had never said anything like that to me, even tho i have asked him a million times what he meant when he said he loved me, and why he loved me.

so, i asked him about the first part here, and he now he tells me that he did not say anything even remotely like what she told me.

there were a couple other bits that were relayed that were equally opposite of what she portrayed.

on this i actually believe him, because her statements make no sense.

honestly, i know that being honest is probably the last thing these people want to be, ever. but to just flat out make up some nonsense? i feel like there is nowhere to hide.

The mopinko primitive needs to get a job to occupy her mind and concerns, so she doesn't have any free time to look around for things she expects medical science can cure for her.

HereSince1628  (1000+ posts)        Sun Aug-14-11 08:29 PM
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1. I'm hearing two things...

First, the lie she told continues to bother you. Second the notion that the sw lied is undermining the therapeutic relationship you have with her.

Getting tripped by things that are emotional can be important, but you ought not be plagued with suffering from something said by your therapist. Additionally, if this leads to mistrust of the therapist it could undermine future sessions.

It seems to me that the sw owes you a discussion of this so that you can get some relief.

mopinko   (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-15-11 10:47 AM
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2. it was the stupidity of the lie. 

plus a huge huge dose of frustration with the entire psycho industry.

yeah, i have had it with the whole talk therapy thing. the last one was a long running paid girlfriend rip off. i was in quite a state (thank you ambien) and when i asked her at the end of a session who had the best er, as i was really worried, said, well, lets talk about that next week. !!

i just figured out that is was a lie, as hubby didn't want to hurt my feelings. i did think it was a nice thing of him to say, so he didn't want to admit he didn't say it. but he also put together the pieces, too convoluted to explain, about the other things he said, and what she said about him/them. just made me realize that they can't be honest with you (i understand, sorta, but still, you'd think they could figure it out) but they get frustrated if can't be honest with them. even tho the whole damn enterprise is about the difficulty of being honest with/knowing yourself.

pdoc wants me to spend another month on a med that doesn't work, just so we will "know". like i care. the one i really should have been started on first, cymbalta, which is known to help people with fibro, somehow got put into my record as something that had already been tried. i accepted it in the office, but went home and thought . tried to get a hold of the doc, left a message in plain english, saying i wanted to switch now, got a call back, didn't catch it, her message was that she didn't understand my message and that she would try again, which she never did.

ya know, i have been through so many different types of docs between me and my kids, including several shrinks, and they are just 50 years behind every one else. i am headed back to the sleep guys. that is the root of my problems, imho. shrink told me to see them. at least they are in my space time continuum.

EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-15-11 06:10 PM
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4. Remember, mo, you are the world's expert on you.

And if you don't believe spending another month on a drug that isn't helping you is worth it, your opinion is the one that matters.

EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-15-11 06:07 PM
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3. Asking for time alone with him is a red flag, imo.

What is wrong with the therapy, would be my question to her if I were her supervisor.

mopinko   (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-15-11 07:06 PM
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5. no no, he asked her. well, me. 

i wanted him to go. it was the trade off that he could talk to her alone if he felt he had to. he went in ready to talk to her, tho.

i wanted to make sure he understood how bad it was. spent most of the hour insisting that he had noticed nothing. then took his 5 minutes to tell her is that he thought i was bp.

he has no idea what mania means, really. he thinks that days when i get up and get something done is my manic phase. and not being suicidal all the time is obvious cycling.

sigh.

i kicked the meds i was on. fibro was on fire, pain at the point where it starts to squeeze is a sign that something is lighting it up. when you are taking something that isn't working, and the pain ratchets up, that is what it is doing instead.

right now i am testing them to see if anyone is paying attention to anything. cancelled my next appt, refused my scripts. waiting to see if anyone notices. if not, good. so sick of the whole go round that anyone with any letters after their name seems to always bring.

EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-15-11 08:02 PM
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6. Well, you know she could have refused and invited him to talk while you where in the room with them. It was her job to do that, imo. Allowing him to do it the other way is some kind of endorsement that you two can't talk or that you can't handle what he has to say or some damn thing.

But what do I know. Except, it is exhausting to work with people who aren't helping, no matter what their frickin' initials are.

You know, I thought of your kid over the weekend, watching a BookTV segment on Olmstead, the guy who designed Central Park in NYC & a bunch of other public spaces. His biographer said, he wasn't qualified to DX him but thought BP might be involved. And then, he went on to point out how different the status quo was in that time: how Olmstead could go out to Saratoga for a "come apart" and his boss was totally behind him. He would plan that Olmstead would be back, rejuvenated, and work really intensely on his projects. It was a cycle that worked because he wasn't written off as he would be today.

mopinko   (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-15-11 08:42 PM
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7. yeah, i think often of the day when i would just be labeled as someone with a "melancholy personality" and that would be it.

geniuses are crazy. period. not normal. by definition. wish that was just accepted.

[Erasmus]

honestly, i know that being honest is probably the last thing these people want to be, ever. but to just flat out make up some nonsense? i feel like there is nowhere to hide.

I feel the same way about liberals.  This gives you a glimpse at the angst of being a conservative in a sea of dishonest liberal halfwits.

[GOBUCKS]

EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-15-11 06:10 PM
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4. Remember, mo, you are the world's expert on you.

Well, poor, stupid Beth is wrong again.

There's only one world's expert at the DUmp, and it isn't DUmmy mopinko.

[BEG]

WTF, is it just me or can anyone understand what this DUmmie is talking about? 

[jtyangel]

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mopinko   (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-15-11 08:42 PM
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7. yeah, i think often of the day when i would just be labeled as someone with a "melancholy personality" and that would be it.

geniuses are crazy. period. not normal. by definition. wish that was just accepted.

Why is it that every crazy dumbass out there thinks they are actually some misunderstood genius? Sometimes a duck is just a duck...'melancholy personality' and a genius to boot tells me she is a condescending sullen asshole who probably isn't as happy with her 'melancholy persona' as she thinks or she wouldn't be so down about(assuming here) the isolation being a sullen asshole causes her. Usually the answer is right in front of people--hard to accept sometimes because the answer means making uncomfortable and hard chances because one thing we want may not mesh with the way we are. We either adjust the way we are to get what we want or we accept the outcome of being true to ourselves may be doing without some things we might like. Instead of looking at it that way, it sounds as though she taps every ailment blaming it for the way she is. Even she doesn't accept how she is or she wouldn't be trying every pharmaceutical known to man to change it. It seems its ok for her to tell herself she's a condescending sullen asshole but when her doctors do they are the devil. 

[longview]

WTF, is it just me or can anyone understand what this DUmmie is talking about? 

Same here.

Is she really complaining because her husband paid her a compliment to her therapist and the therapist relayed it to her?  After that it seemed
word-salad-esque (hey!  no worse than her jibberish!) and I couldn't follow it all.  Except for something about meds not working.  Yeah, when you don't really need medication, it doesn't work for you. 

[franksolich]

WTF, is it just me or can anyone understand what this DUmmie is talking about? 

The mopinko primitive takes some getting used to.

<<used to the mopinko primitive; she's all I say she is, a hypochondriac.

[JohnnyReb]

he told her that i was "the most fascinating F***ED up woman he had ever met."

It was just a little misunderstanding.

[shadeaux]

 

I'll drink to that !

mopinko's Journal

yeah, i am an aging boomer, and proud to be a hippie.

Posted by mopinko in The DU Lounge

Tue Aug 12th 2008, 08:10 PM

mostly stood for not shaving, 'cept maybe my head. well, not really shaving, just a buzz cut that my mother always hated. been known to smell bad, and sure don't wear perfume.
don't do crystals, or herbs except in food, but did have 5 kids, 4 born at home.

not into stuff, really, although i love my ibook, and my new iphone. drive a beat up old truck and can barely get my mind around the idea of buying a vehicle new. don't know why people would buy clothes anywhere but the thrift shop, either.

wish i could take better care of the planet, but i love the city too much to live in a cave. love critters, wild and tame, but still poison the mice and the termites. have a big barn of a house, but it is too old to be a mcmansion, and there is too much peeling paint, anyway.

spent 8 years homeschooling, cuz i couldn't stand my one of a kind kid being part of the herd, but the baby is in the selective enrollment high school, and i intend for them all to finish college if it kills me. or them.

trying to scratch out a living making art out of clay and politics. but very happy that i married a guy who is not quite a boomer, who figured out in high school that these new fangled computer things were pretty cool. never did have a real wedding, and never even really announced to the family that we had broke down and got that piece of paper.

so, is that a definition enough?


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/mopinko/69

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

WTF, is it just me or can anyone understand what this DUmmie is talking about? 

Simple.

Mo biches so therapist wants a 2nd voice and asks the hubby.

Hubby intimates that Mo Can't Understand Normal Things

Therapist tells Mo a cover story.

Hubby lies along to cover his ass.

Mo is unhappy.

Mo picks until the scab runs bloody.

[Chris_]

Rooney Tunes.

[shadeaux]

I see starvation and homelessness in her future should she continue to think of herself as an artist.

http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/265045534ChjXWH

[franksolich]

This is what drives me nuts:

she claims that he told her that i was "the most fascinating woman he had ever met." i found it quite unbelievable at the time, as it was completely uncharacteristic.

i asked him about it then, and he confirmed that he had said it. he had no answer for why he had never said anything like that to me, even tho i have asked him a million times what he meant when he said he loved me, and why he loved me.

The guy works his ass off to give her a comfortable life, to give her as much as he can give her, and to the mopinko primitive, that's not "love."

Well, if that's not love, I have no idea what love is.

Actions speak louder than words.

What does the mopinko primitive want?--nice sweet words, rather than loving gestures?

[shadeaux]

She wants to sit up in a dirty home all day and night doing nothing but her art.

[franksolich]

She wants to sit up in a dirty home all day and night doing nothing but her art.

Yeah, I went to the link you gave.

A Rodin or Michaelangelo, she's not.

Not even close.  Like galaxies away.

[franksolich]

Rooney Tunes.

My introduction to the mopinko primitive was some years ago, and had nothing to do with hypochondria, although 90% of the stuff she writes about does.

By chance, in the do-it-yourself forum, I first found her whining about her new front door.

This was during the terrible Bush economy, so-called, and she replaced a perfectly good front door with a new front door, which wasn't cheap.  Where she managed to have the money in the terrible Bush economy, to replace one good door with another good door, I have no idea.  After all, the terrible Bush economy was lousy.

Anyway, so the mopinko primitive had this new front door installed, and there was something she didn't like about it.

I forget the reason she didn't like it, but I do remember how she was demanding Old World Craftsmanship at illegal-under-the-table wages from the people who installed the door.  One pays for what one gets.

It wasn't until later I got acquainted with her as a constant hypochondriac.

[Carl]

This is the picture of a DUmmy.

Proud of its insanity,sitting around posting at the dump and making stupid little figurines that look like a big crap hit the floor and hardened yet thinks that is what they should give to society in return for all the freebies they demand lavished on them.

Eff off useless loser.

[BEG]

spent 8 years homeschooling, cuz i couldn't stand my one of a kind kid being part of the herd, but the baby is in the selective enrollment high school, and i intend for them all to finish college if it kills me. or them.

What is a selective enrollment high school?  Oh and her kind is part of the herd.

[ChuckJ]

What is selective high school?  Oh and her kind is part of the herd.

Maybe one of those magnet schools that has a focus on a specific area of study?

[JohnnyReb]

Maybe one of those magnet schools that has a focus on a specific area of study?

One that specializes in creating liberal elitist.

[ChuckJ]

One that specializes in creating liberal elitist.

I thought that was most of them now.

[shadeaux]

http://hairstylequestions.com/wp-content/uploads/hairy-lady.jpg


 

[BEG]

I looked it up,  "Selective Enrollment High Schools offer a rigorous curriculum with mainly honors and Advanced Placement (AP) courses.".

Every school my kids have been in have had AP, honors as well as Gifted and Talented Programs (which all of my children have been in).  

[vesta111]

 

One of my kids had a teacher who worked as some kind of therapist for the city school system that wanted to speak with me.

I had one week earlier gotten out of the hospital after treatment for problems with one Kidney---I had spent 2 weeks in the hospital and was not fully recovered at this time.

The teacher or what ever she was started out telling me about her mother that was a ill woman all her life, it was all in her head she told me.  When she died at 40 years  old from Cancer ----it was all in her head.

I am sitting there mouth agape wondering what the Hell is wrong with this teacher of my child.

Hypochondria in woman was normal she told me, some woman believe they are ill when they are healthy to get out of the responsibility of raising their children.

Seems my child had told a teacher they were worried about me being in the hospital so the child was sent to this teacher therapist who decided I was making up my illness same as her mother had who was dieing from Cancer.

Strange people out there treating our kids as therapists. --------Matter of fact, strange people that decide to get into a field where children are involved.

Interesting life then and now----wonder what the future holds for the kids of today that need a reason, just any thing to misbehave????

[Skul]

From what I see, a rare ^5, for your honest statement.
I, too question the values and motives, when it comes to "public" schools.