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Offline RonBush

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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2011, 02:47:30 PM »
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Perhaps it's because of your somewhat pedantic and patronizing posting style, which is mildly irritating.  I sense a certain disingenuousness as well, on this issue at least, but perhaps that is just me. 

Pedantic - Maybe so, that's just the way I talk.  Other people have said the same thing.  Nobody is perfect.

Patronizing - I've been called a coward and weasel here.  Somebody said "a bitch slap to you".  There have been a host of insults.  In that kind of a situation a person can either sink to the level or throwing back insults, which I don't want to do, or remain polite, which can come across as patronizing.

Disingenuousness - Nope.  I don't think so.  Keep following my posts and see what you think.




 

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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2011, 02:58:08 PM »
climate change exists. no one will ever be able change my opinion.
10000 years where i sit in my living room their was large river. it drained from a MEGA lake created from melting glaciers from the last ice age. not to mention around that time there were beavers bigger than today's black bears.
these are facts, i will not let anyone dispute them.  :old:
and no matter how much we debate and argue about global warming/climate change nothing will bring the large beavers back :bawl:
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2011, 03:57:31 PM »

I agree with most of what you said about a belief system clouding understanding of a complex scientific issue.  The thing I would add is that this operates on both sides.  The left makes the same claim about the right.

I'm sorry you had to throw in that insult at the end.  Why was that necessary?

Sorry about the barb but you did come across to me as defending the indefensible (Man made climate change). Which I normally find in people who have already studied the issue enough to satisfy themselves. Thus disinterested in whatever else might be proffered.

What belief system would the right have that you are referring to?

You mean our judeo/ christian values? I have no problem seeing how my values 'cloud' my views and I freely admit to them.
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2011, 04:15:39 PM »
Pedantic - Maybe so, that's just the way I talk.  Other people have said the same thing.  Nobody is perfect.

Patronizing - I've been called a coward and weasel here.  Somebody said "a bitch slap to you".  There have been a host of insults.  In that kind of a situation a person can either sink to the level or throwing back insults, which I don't want to do, or remain polite, which can come across as patronizing.

Disingenuousness - Nope.  I don't think so.  Keep following my posts and see what you think.

1, Well, perhaps so, I am a bit of a Iecturer myself but I try to sit on the urge.

2, As you noted, it's the internet, people respond with their first impression, it's best to have a thick skin, or grow one if not naturally gifted.  Sounding offended back instead of just moving on, even in the sweet tones of reason, just tends to make you sound either whiny or condescending.  It doesn't sound like you quite grasp the meaning of a bitchslap, which is the negative side here of what a more PC site might label 'Like/dislike,' 'Rec/unrec,' or some other mealy-mouth euphemism.

3.  As I said, perhaps it's just me.  Your 'agree to disagree' upthread seemed to take a stand rather than the 'no position' you claim later, on AGC or whatever this month's acronym is.  However, I do see your 'position' could be in reference to the point that you were making about debate, which nobody was not really what anyone else was trying to discuss with you, they were all discussing the substantive merits of the climate change issue (Or lack thereof).
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2011, 05:14:51 PM »


I'm sorry you had to throw in that insult at the end.  Why was that necessary?
Your major thing seems to be attempting to control how people express themselves. Maybe if you were more concerned with how you conduct yourself, you would attract less of what you call insults.

This forum has existed for several years now and prior to that, many of us were at other forums. We start to recognize certain patterns of behavior and you have it within your power to control your own behavior. So when you get called out on your behavior, remember the guy in the mirror is responsible for that, not the guy calling you out on it.
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2011, 06:23:34 PM »
I'm sorry you had to throw in that insult at the end.  Why was that necessary?
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2011, 09:27:20 PM »
Janice, you asked

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What belief system would the right have that you are referring to?

The left believes absolutely without any doubt that man made global climate change is happening, and that there is something wrong with people who think it is not.

The right believes absolutely without any doubt that man made global climate change is not happening, and that there is something wrong with people who think it is.

Those are the belief systems I was talking about.  In a way they seem pretty similar to me.


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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2011, 09:39:38 PM »
In a way they seem pretty similar to me.

Similar? They're diametrically opposed. Geez....
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2011, 10:12:34 PM »
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Similar? They're diametrically opposed. Geez....

The feeling of certainty, the lack of curiosity about the possibility of being mistaken, and the contempt for people who disagree is similar.

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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2011, 10:26:32 PM »
Science simply does not support AGW. That is where 'faith' comes into play.

Man(kind) is just so full of himself. He didn't make this planet and he couldn't destroy it ... even if he tried.

Not only is it (AGW) a joke. Its a bad joke. That wont stop the lemmings though.
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2011, 10:29:47 PM »
Science simply does not support AGW. That is where 'faith' comes into play.

Man(kind) is just so full of himself. He didn't make this planet and he couldn't destroy it ... even if he tried.

Not only is it (AGW) a joke. Its a bad joke. That wont stop the lemmings though.

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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2011, 09:40:12 AM »
Janice, you asked

The left believes absolutely without any doubt that man made global climate change is happening, and that there is something wrong with people who think it is not.

The right believes absolutely without any doubt that man made global climate change is not happening, and that there is something wrong with people who think it is.

Those are the belief systems I was talking about.  In a way they seem pretty similar to me.

Wrong, although, of course I can't speak for all.

I believe it would be more accurate to write:

"The right believe absolutely without any doubt that man made global change is not happening, although there are multitudes of people who have a vested interest in suggesting that it is. These people generally have a financial agenda at the heart of their "belief" and thus, they and their opinions cannot be considered as remotely without bias."

Going on, I'd say that climate change, in and of itself, DOES exist. The question is, "how does man's activity impact the climate?" And to that, I have to say:

It doesn't -- at least not on an appreciable level. Too many truly gargantuan things have happened in our history which, on a single basis, makes anything man has ever done over the past 200 years look inconsequential in scope and effect.

But the Al Gores of the world would have you believe that the world will cease to exist as we know it if we continue to burn coal to make electricity. Al this, of course, while he maintains pretty nice digs for himself and his soon-to-be ex-wife Tipper.
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2011, 10:12:29 AM »
Yes, as far as I understand it water vapor makes up about 95% of all greenhouse gasses (GHG), while CO2 only makes up about 4%. The human contribution of the total CO2 is only about 3.5%. In simple terms, if one assumes a football stadium holds 100,000 seats, representing the current atmosphere, total CO2 would take up a grand total of 40 seats, and the man-made CO2 would only occupy one (1) seat.

CO2 is NOT a pollutant, but an essential gas for plants to survive and they in turn provide oxygen for animals, including humans.
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2011, 10:22:10 AM »
I am still curious to hear how man (who must have nearly over-populated the world at the time) with his SUV's and technology, brought about the warming that ended all the previous ice ages.

And now he's melting the ice caps on Mars?

Wouldnt be 'solar warming' would it?

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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2011, 10:25:06 AM »
Yes, as far as I understand it water vapor makes up about 95% of all greenhouse gasses (GHG), while CO2 only makes up about 4%. The human contribution of the total CO2 is only about 3.5%. In simple terms, if one assumes a football stadium holds 100,000 seats, representing the current atmosphere, total CO2 would take up a grand total of 40 seats, and the man-made CO2 would only occupy one (1) seat.

CO2 is NOT a pollutant, but an essential gas for plants to survive and they in turn provide oxygen for animals, including humans.

I remember reading many years ago an article by Walter Williams. In it he stated that half the CO2 released every year is caused by termites eating wood. So, poison the termites and fire up the SUV.
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2011, 10:31:50 AM »
Luv Prof Williams. They just dont make economists like that anymore.
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2011, 12:00:39 PM »
This is not a question about global warming, but about man's ability to destroy the planet.  Several people have said things like this:

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Man(kind) is just so full of himself. He didn't make this planet and he couldn't destroy it ... even if he tried.

I agree that we could not destroy the planet, but we sure could mess it up.  I think what you are talking about is CO2, right?  But I am curious what you think about man's destructive ability in general.  Do you think we could have pretty much ruined the planet if there had been a big nuclear war between the the USA and USSR and thousands of H-Bombs had been set off?  I just want clarification on what you believe. 

What I think is that nothing could end all life on earth, at least until the sun explodes or burns out in billions of years, and I am not even sure about that.  I think a major nuclear war could wipe out a lot of life, possibly kill all humans, or at least make things really miserable for a long time for the humans left.  I have no idea what future technology might be able to do.  Will there really be planet killer weapons like in the first Star Wars movie?  I don't know.

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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2011, 01:02:37 PM »
So the Vikings influenced the climate when Greenland became so cold they couldn't grow crops?  Or the English did when it became to cold to harvest grapes of which they had 100's of large vineyards across the country?  I'm sorry but it doesn't take a genius to see that the earth has a continually changing climate and that man has little if nothing to do with it.
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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2011, 01:20:09 PM »
RonBush, you have hijacked my thread. If you want to keep spewing your liberal bullshit, start your own thread. You and your idiotic comments are not welcomed on this thread.

Or on any thread I start.

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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2011, 01:57:45 PM »
RonBush, you have hijacked my thread. If you want to keep spewing your liberal bullshit, start your own thread. You and your idiotic comments are not welcomed on this thread.

Or on any thread I start.

Don't go away mad; just go away.

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Re: "I'm 72 and I'm Tired"
« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2011, 02:11:31 PM »
Sorry you feel that way, but will respect your wishes. 

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