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Offline franksolich

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nadin warns us again
« on: August 24, 2011, 08:37:29 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1803745

Oh my.

By the way, nadin didn't donate during the latest fund drive.

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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Wed Aug-24-11 02:22 AM
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Quake raises safety concerns as nuclear plant shut

(Reuters) - The largest earthquake to hit the East Coast of the United States in 67 years raised concerns on Tuesday about the safety of the country's nuclear power plants.

The 5.8 magnitude quake's epicenter was just a few miles from the two-reactor North Anna nuclear power plant operated by Dominion Resources in Mineral, Virginia, 80 miles southwest of Washington.

The plant lost power and automatically halted operations after the quake. While a Dominion spokesman reported no "major" damage to the facility, three diesel generators were required to kick in and keep the reactors' radioactive cores cool. A fourth diesel unit failed.

While nuclear power plants can operate safely on back-up power, failure of generators was a key reason for the disaster at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi plant after a 9.0 magnitude quake and tsunami in March.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/24/us-quake-usa-...

Notice one of the diesel units failed. If nothing else this should be a WARNING.

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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2011, 10:03:10 AM »
Apocalypse Nadin should be her DU name.   Hmmm, sounds like a new Twitter name to me.   What would she do without Google? 

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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2011, 10:14:15 AM »
Wonder what human error caused the diesel generator to fail?
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2011, 10:31:03 AM »
Quote from: Traveshamockery on August 24, 2011, 10:03:10 AM
Apocalypse Nadin should be her DU name.   Hmmm, sounds like a new Twitter name to me.   What would she do without Google? 

 :whistling:


I like that name.  If you did a twitter account under that name, the appropriate avatar/profile picture would have to be this one:

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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2011, 10:41:20 AM »
I'm sure the five or six thousand folks working at electric plants along the eastern seaboard are all taking swift action to implement Plan Nadin, now that she's officially given her warning.
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2011, 11:18:04 AM »
Quote from: Traveshamockery on August 24, 2011, 10:03:10 AM
Apocalypse Nadin should be her DU name.   Hmmm, sounds like a new Twitter name to me.   What would she do without Google? 

 :whistling:


Wouldn't work.  Even Sheen wouldn't agree to be in her.
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2011, 11:32:44 AM »
Need to add to Nadin's resume:

geologist
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nuclear power plant engineer
disaster recovery specialist
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2011, 11:59:54 AM »
Quote from: Traveshamockery on August 24, 2011, 10:03:10 AM
Apocalypse Nadin should be her DU name.   Hmmm, sounds like a new Twitter name to me.   What would she do without Google? 

 :whistling:


Or the Mad Hatter, in homage to the many hats she wears.

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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2011, 12:17:17 PM »
Pour out the milk!!!!  :panic:
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2011, 12:24:23 PM »
Quote from: Erasmus on August 24, 2011, 10:41:20 AM
I'm sure the five or six thousand folks working at electric plants along the eastern seaboard are all taking swift action to implement Plan Nadin, now that she's officially given her warning.

Yup--we're already having meetings at the plant manager level here.  Her name has figured very prominently.

(Oh, and nadin?  STFU.  The Fukushima actions are quite enough, thanks.)  The DG "failing" is more than likely a shutdown due to a condition that would PREVENT damage to the DG.  Being qualified (electrically) on the DG's, you'd be amazed how LITTLE it really takes to create a shutdown.  These things are designed to go from shut down to rated speed, fully loaded, in LESS THAN 10 SECONDS.  Try that with your car at home and see how well it does.
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2011, 12:29:50 PM »
I love how the media is hyping this up, calling it the largest earthquake to hit this part of the country in 67 years.
It may be accurate, but it's mindblowing how they sensationalize it.
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2011, 12:51:16 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on August 24, 2011, 12:24:23 PM
(Oh, and nadin?  STFU.  The Fukushima actions are quite enough, thanks.) 
I think you mean "Fiuku", as nutcase once put it.
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2011, 12:55:45 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on August 24, 2011, 12:51:16 PM
I think you mean "Fiuku", as nutcase once put it.

We (as in the nuclear industry) are getting our tits put through the wringer coming up with things we'll need to have in case of a Fukushima-type event.  It's gonna be PAINFUL.
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 01:09:37 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on August 24, 2011, 12:24:23 PM
These things are designed to go from shut down to rated speed, fully loaded, in LESS THAN 10 SECONDS.  Try that with your car at home and see how well it does.

Yep.....back in the day, my Onan 850 would do it in seven seconds, and that was during weekly exercise periods when it had to sync with the shore power frequency and phase angle (make-before-break transfer switch).

On the load side you couldn't tell when the transfer occurred without watching the enunciator panel.

The Virginia genset failure could have been a simple "overcrank" shutdown due to a plugged injector or a bad glow plug.......which is why you generally test them under full load every week, but occasionally shit happens.......

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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 02:27:29 PM »
Why didn't she bring up the possible dangers of nuclear plants yesterday after the quake happened?  Why wait 12 hours?  Nadin knows the dangers of nuclear plants and earthquakes and nuclear milk.  NADIN!  Get with it.  Should I buy milk?
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2011, 02:34:00 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on August 24, 2011, 01:09:37 PM
Yep.....back in the day, my Onan 850 would do it in seven seconds, and that was during weekly exercise periods when it had to sync with the shore power frequency and phase angle (make-before-break transfer switch).

On the load side you couldn't tell when the transfer occurred without watching the enunciator panel.

The Virginia genset failure could have been a simple "overcrank" shutdown due to a plugged injector or a bad glow plug.......which is why you generally test them under full load every week, but occasionally shit happens.......

doc

Or in simpler terms, "That's why they have four of them."
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2011, 02:34:36 PM »
Quote from: Erasmus on August 24, 2011, 11:32:44 AM
Need to add to Nadin's resume:

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deisel mechanic
nuclear power plant engineer
disaster recovery specialist


Duly noted.  Thank you. 
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2011, 02:34:56 PM »
Quote from: Evil_Conservative on August 24, 2011, 02:27:29 PM
Why didn't she bring up the possible dangers of nuclear plants yesterday after the quake happened?  Why wait 12 hours?  Nadin knows the dangers of nuclear plants and earthquakes and nuclear milk.  NADIN!  Get with it.  Should I buy milk?

To hell with nadin. I think we should check with the sub skipper.

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Fiuku is going to be worst than Chernobyl... well it is, and I actually undershot that one. I did not take into account the quite possible China syndrome at play here. Sorry, Cassandra was not that negative on this and missed it.


 
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2011, 02:38:25 PM »
Quote from: Traveshamockery on August 24, 2011, 02:34:36 PM

Duly noted.  Thank you.  

You probably should spell "Diesel" correctly.  :-)

Edit - Not you, Erasmus had misspelled it.
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2011, 02:57:49 PM »
More from the nutcase seismologist:
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nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Wed Aug-24-11 03:28 PM
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39. Also it was a surface quake
which makes it almost a shaker, instead of a roller. Shakers are more damaging, rule of thumb, as well

Yes, if this was a deep quake, at 5.8 it would have felt less intense...

nadin knows shakers and rollers.
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2011, 03:08:50 PM »
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2011, 03:19:44 PM »
Quote from: Evil_Conservative on August 24, 2011, 02:27:29 PM
Should I buy milk?

Only if you can see it in total darkness . . .
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2011, 03:23:04 PM »
Quote from: Ralph Wiggum on August 24, 2011, 02:38:25 PM
You probably should spell "Diesel" correctly.  :-)

Edit - Not you, Erasmus had misspelled it.

I always have trouble with that word.
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2011, 04:09:29 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on August 24, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
Or in simpler terms, "That's why they have four of them."

Five.  SEPS (Supplemental Emergency Power System) extends action statements from 72 hours to 14 days, meaning if a DG is inop for maintenance or other reason, SEPS can be brought in to power that bus.  Sounds like they have one which can be supplied to any of the emergency busses (two "trains" at each unit.)

We have one as well.
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Re: nadin warns us again
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2011, 04:47:34 PM »
Just going with what was in the story, but thanks for the full info.
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