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The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« on: August 17, 2011, 07:06:01 PM »
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU!    Wed Aug-17-11 07:50 PM
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The time to put socialism on the agenda is now   Updated at 7:50 PM
   
With capitalism imploding and our "leaders" in Washington unable (or unwilling) to stop it, now is the time to take a serious look at socialism:

Socialism’s Agenda Time

From 1928, when the Soviet Union laid the foundations of its socialist economy, until the late 1980s, when Gorbachev began to dismantle them, the Soviet economy grew without pause, except during the period of the Nazi war machine’s scorched-earth invasion. Unemployment and later economic insecurity became ills of the past.

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In fact, Soviet socialism—while it existed–worked better than capitalism in producing economic growth.

From 1928 to 1989, GDP per capita grew in the USSR by a factor of 5.2, compared to 4.0 in Western Europe and 3.3 in the major industrial offshoots of Western Europe—the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

And importantly, Soviet growth happened without the recurrent recessions—and their attendant pain in unemployment, hunger, and despair–that were routine features of the capitalist economies over the same period.

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But that’s not what we’re told today. The received wisdom—rooted not in reality but Cold War propaganda—is that the Soviet economy collapsed under the weight of it inefficiencies, and that the demise of the USSR proves that an economic system based on public ownership, central planning and production for use, is unworkable. Even many Marxists believe this, touting the merits of “market socialism” as the only workable alternative.

And yet the Soviet economy’s record of peacetime expansion and full employment remained unblemished until Gorbachev began to experiment with the very same market socialism that many Marxists now embrace...

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Yep the Soviet Union was a virtual paradise.  :whatever:

Of course they didn't allow religion, so that may explain why the DUmmies like the old Soviet Union.
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2011, 07:12:34 PM »
Didn't Obama just trash Socialism when he was lying to Ryan Rhodes about VP Biden's tea party smear?
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2011, 07:15:43 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on August 17, 2011, 07:06:01 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1760196

Yep the Soviet Union was a virtual paradise.  :whatever:

Of course they didn't allow religion, so that may explain why the DUmmies like the old Soviet Union.


Do it!  I will volunteer to help get socialist planks in the Dem platform!
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2011, 07:15:58 PM »
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2011, 07:32:57 PM »
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts)   Wed Aug-17-11 07:50 PM
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The time to put socialism on the agenda is now   Updated at 7:50 PM
With capitalism imploding and our "leaders" in Washington unable (or unwilling) to stop it, now is the time to take a serious look at socialism:
ANOTHER uninformed primitive. Socialism leads to communism, in case you missed it DUmmie. Man, you people will stop at nothing with this lunacy. I cannot comprehend the primitives thinking.
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2011, 07:35:38 PM »
Oh please do this -- Obama, you need to save us all with Socialism -- please make a major speech outlining a stunning new socialist agenda, and I guarantee the country will hear you.
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2011, 03:58:55 AM »
They're going to have to stuff their 5 year plans into 4.
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2011, 05:25:56 AM »
Quote from: miskie on August 17, 2011, 07:35:38 PM
Oh please do this -- Obama, you need to save us all with Socialism -- please make a major speech outlining a stunning new socialist agenda, and I guarantee the country will hear you.

They will hear him--and the half that gets all of the freebies won't care one bit that they're taking from the ones who provide said freebies.  They don't now, so why should they all of a sudden?
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2011, 06:53:23 AM »
They don't seem to realize that growth was on the backs of everyone in that country...they got crumbs while the government there got rich. And the military machine they hate so much will be working overdrive--hell, that's where probably half the jobs will be created. I don't reckon a dummie wants one of those jobs :lmao:
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2011, 07:28:44 AM »
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Aug-17-11 08:18 PM
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9. Not to mention we would resent standing in line for asswipe.
   
People who pine for Soviet-style governance are ****ing lunatics.

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scheming daemons  Wed Aug-17-11 08:25 PM
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10. if you want the GOP to win in a landslide...
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2011, 07:46:34 AM »
Socialism has been on the agenda since Obama was elected and Democrats controlled Congress.  Where has this guy been the past 4 years?  OR, perhaps he means they need to scale back from Marxism to mere socialism?
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2011, 08:40:01 AM »
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FreeJoe (247 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Aug-17-11 09:30 PM
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19. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
   
And the Berlin wall was to keep those poor westerners out of the communist paradise?
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU!    Wed Aug-17-11 09:35 PM
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20. Howdy Free Joe, well I would call full employment a paradise for sure -   Updated at 7:50 PM
   
but YMMV.

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FreeJoe (247 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Aug-18-11 06:42 AM
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31. I think I stand with the vast majority
   
Berlin was one city before it was split into communist and non-communist sections. Which one needed to wall in it's people and shoot them when they tried to escape? When the wall came down, which side was relatively rich and which side was relatively poor? Which side's government was democratically chosen and which wasn't? Which side was almost universally preferred by the people when they unified and could choose either course?

I don't know where you got your economic numbers, but I think they are phony. Yes, there was virtually no unemployment in the Soviet Union, but there was almost universal poverty. Most people in Russia don't want to go back. Non-market based economies just don't work. We need to strive towards a market driven economy with a strong safety net like the successful Northern European countries.

Look at China as an example. They were incredibly poor for decades under strict communist rule. They finally recognized that they had no choice and started opening up sectors of their economy. Those sectors have been booming. They are still an authoritarian dictatorship, but financially they are much better off.

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33. Holy... I... am without words. Defect to North Korea?   Updated at 10:33 PM
   
There are some who have done it, amusingly.
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2011, 10:12:00 AM »
Oh boy, I can't wait for the bread lines!  :mental:
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2011, 10:15:45 AM »
TBF is a delusional but committed Commie.  I hate Commies.  BRING BACK HUAC! 

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cali  (1000+ posts)        Thu Aug-18-11 07:02 AM
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36. And who's going to put it on the agenda? No one who has any influence whatsoever
 this is a pointless op. self-indulgent and meaningless.
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 TBF  (1000+ posts)         Thu Aug-18-11 08:04 AM
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42. The only folks who can put this on the agenda are the American people - 
 and to do it will involve serious protests and general strikes.

 

Right, OK. 

And as always, no mention of the Halomador of the Ukraine. 
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Re: The time to put socialism on the agenda is now
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2011, 10:40:23 AM »
If the jug-eared muslim and his TOTUS went on national TV and admitted his lifelong commitment to Marxism, and outlined a plan for central planning and nationalization of all major industry, he would retain the same solid 43-45% of the vote that democrat politicians can always take for granted. Blacks, leftist Jews, liberal Catholics, college students, and DUmp freeloaders would rejoice.
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