I'm a DUmmy but without other DUmmies womenz and blacks own us big time

[Tucker]

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Aug-12-11 01:42 AM
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Why Republican women & Republican minorities owe Liberals a huge debt of gratitude!   Updated at 6:26 AM
   
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 02:23 AM by sabrina 1
If it were not for Liberals fighting for equal rights for women for so long, there would still be:

* No Republican women or minority members of Congress.
* No Republican women or minority candidates for the Presidency.
* No Republican woman or minority would ever have had a chance of becoming Secretary of State.
* No Republican woman or minority could ever have become a Mayor or a Governor of a any State.


Liberals forced Republicans to accept women in positions of power.

And Liberals dragged them into the present regarding minorities being in positions of power.

Even though some of the women and minorities they chose are people we could never agree with on almost anything, every time we see a Republican Woman or running for office, or an African American or other Minority running as a Republican candidate, that is a huge victory for Liberals.

I wonder if Republicans realize that it was Liberal ideas that made it possible for Michele Bachman to run for the Presidency?

I wonder if she realizes that her party would never have allowed it had it not been for the Liberals she so often attacks?



Michele Bachman, Republican Candidate for POTUS,
brought to you by Liberal Democrats who fought long
and hard against her party for her right to be an
equal member of American society!

I'm sure she will agree that Liberals have the best ideas for democracy!

Thomas Jefferson believed strongly in a free press without which there could be no democracy. Even when he himself was a victim of the worst kind of attacks in the press.

Most Liberals probably feel the same way about equal rights. Even though it means having to deal with people like Michele Bachman and Sarah Palin.

She owes us a huge Thank You!

First woman Congressman was Jeannette Rankin: A RINO but still a registered Republian.

First woman to have their name on a Presidential ballot: Sen. Margaret Chase Smith. Also a Republican.

First minority S of S: Condoleezza  Rice.

First woman Mayor: Susanna Madora Salter. A Republican

First woman Governor: Nellie Tayloe Ross. Democrat.

It seem to me that the road was paved by Republican women.

akvo (3 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Aug-12-11 01:57 AM
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1. Its not that clear cut
   

It's not that clear cut. You can't argue that if liberlas didn't do it then it never would have happened. And you cannot claim that all progress is due to liberals. Some things happen because its the right time and its the right thing to do, not because liberals pushed it.

It was the Republicans that freed the slaves and pushed equal rights for african-americans. Lincoln (R) and the Rep party pushed the slavery issue, the Democrats were entrenched in the South and fought for slavery. It was the Southern Dems that fought for Jim Crow.

Women made great strides during WW2, that brought them into the workplace and broke down the door. That had nothing to do with politics or liberals or Reps or Dems, it was all about practicality and necessity.

African Americans in the military in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam also made major contributions to breaking down barriers. When you are in a foxhole, you sort of lose interest in skin color. Again that had nothing to do with politics.

I imagine he has had his lunch by now.

sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Aug-12-11 02:19 AM
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3. I am aware of the history of the parties. Lincoln's party in no   Updated at 6:26 AM
   
way resembles today's Republican Party.

And while African Americans served in WW11, you're not telling me that they were not segregated from whites even during that war, or that they were given equal rights or even any respect when they came home?

They came home to a country that they fought for where they could not vote. They could use the same public toilets as whites, drink from the same water fountains or sit at the same counter to have a cup of coffee. They had to fight hard for all of those things and it was the Right that fought hard to stop them.

It was not until very recently that African Americans who fought in WW11 finally received any thanks from this country for their sacrifices. In fact it is shameful how they were treated both during the war and for decades afterwards.

Name the Republicans who fought for Equal Rights for African Americans during the Civil Rights era of the last half of the last century? Or who fought for women's rights? And btw, I said 'Liberals' who happened to be part of the Democratic Party during the Civil Rights era in the sixties.

Whichever party was for equal rights for women and minorities, was the party that Liberals gravitated to.

You should mention that Kennedy couldn't get elected as a democrat.

sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Aug-12-11 07:30 AM
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23. Again, you are speaking not to what I posted, but writing a whole   Updated at 6:26 AM
   
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 07:34 AM by sabrina 1
other story. My post is simple. I am living here, today, in the US. The current itteration of the Republican Party is a bigoted, far right, extremist organization that teaches hatred for Muslims, Gays and Women who do not toe the line of Fundamentalist Christianity.

They have been forced to grudgingly accept certain facts, that the country favors Women's Rights and for the most part, other than the fringe elements who support the Republican Party, African American rights. They have come to the realization that to get part of the African American and Women's vote, they must pretend to support their rights.

To do this, they have produced individuals like Michele Bachman and Palin, not because they really support women's rights, they do not, but to 'beat' Democrats in those demographics. It is a cynical choice, but has its advantages for women and African Americans nevertheless.

I am very aware of how long the struggle for equality has been going on, and the different cultures where it has been successful to some extent and those where it has not.

Here, in the US, I am speaking about today and a Party that would very much like to take all of us back to the fifties, where women 'knew their place' and African Americans knew theirs.

I don't know what you are attempting to do, but the OP was pretty simple. Michele Bachman and Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter, all women who, had Liberals not fought for their rights, would never have been heard of other than as someone's dutiful wife.

They appear not to understand who made it possible for them to get out of their kitchens and onto the national political stage. Since they spend a good deal of their time trashing and lying about Liberals, I will continue to remind them that without Liberals, no one would have heard of them. And that is a fact.

If you have a problem with that, I can't help you.

The witch is making a push for DOY.

sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Aug-12-11 05:14 AM
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21. I did say Republicans although I originally was going to say   Updated at 6:26 AM
   
'Conservatives' but then I remembered that I do know moderate conservatives who do support equal rights for women and minorities but vote Republican because of other issues, such as economics and welfare and war etc. I was thinking of today's Republican Party as represented by people like Bachman and Palin et al.

You are correct about today's Republican party imo fighting for the rights of women or other minorities. If those rights had not already been fought for it would not be Republicans today who would be fighting for them. Gays, eg, it would be ludicrous to think of the current republican party leading the way on Gay Rights, or even supporting those who are leading the way. Other than the Log Cabin Repubicans who are Gay themseves. I don't think they get much if any support from their Party.

I did not say Democrats though because I know the parties have changed and there were some in the original Republican Party who did have some Liberal views while the old Democratic Party was not particularly Liberal. Mostly though I was thinking of people whose views of the world are Liberal. Today's Democratic Party does attract Liberals because they generally do support equal rights for all Americans as opposed to today's Republican Party.

You should re read this post 6 months from now.

democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Aug-12-11 02:34 AM
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5. you're stuck on stupid and haven't studied history if you don't realize
   
that both parties use to have liberals,moderates and conservatives. You think the radical republicans were conservative?

In name only.

BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Aug-12-11 02:43 AM
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8. Democrats are not always Liberals. That's a classic Republican mistake
   
since they don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two. And it's clear in the OP that Liberals, as opposed to Democrats, should get credit.

OK. I'll say it. Zell Miller for President.

[Ballygrl]

sabrina is foolish if she compares liberalism from decades ago to the regressivism that's prevalent today amongst the left.

[Ballygrl]

akvo (3 posts)           Fri Aug-12-11 04:34 AM
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18. That's not my point
   
That's not my point.

Progress isn't due to politics alone, claiming its all due to liberals (irrespective of party) isn't true. Claiming that all social progress is due to liberals is the same as claiming that if liberals did not do it, then it would never come about. Thats ridiculous and assumes everyone is a fool and powerless except for liberals.

Many events both planned and unplanned contribute to social change.

WW2 allowed women and minorities (blacks, Japanese, Asians in general) to perform roles that they had not previously been allowed to perform, and brought them into direct contact with whites. For many whites, that was their first direct experience with minorities in critical roles (Tuskeegee Airmen, "colored" artillery units, etc.). The same with women in the work force and in the military. The nation didn't change overnight, but WW2 changed individuals attitudes and set the stage. The same with Korea and Vietnam. These events had absolutely nothing to do with liberals but were the result of necessity.

Name the Republicans who fought for Equal Rights for African Americans during the Civil Rights era of the last half of the last century?

Martin Luther King was a Republican, as were most African Americans during that time. Remember that Jim Crow was a creation of Southern Democrats, not Republicans.

Also Republican President Dwight Eisenhower was a driving force behind the Civil Rights Act of 1957. It was also Eisenhower who used troops to force desegregation of Democrat controlled Arkansas public schools.

There are many more examples which anyone can find with a few minutes on Google. If you take the time to find the facts.

[Ballygrl]

akvo (3 posts)           Fri Aug-12-11 06:28 AM
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22. Reread your original post
   
Reread your original post. You framed it in absolute terms of liberals vs republicans, and later set the time limit of the last 60 years. It sounds like you are now broadening your perspective.

Society is like a living organism, it changes in response to its environment. Sometimes a group of people (liberals, republicans, tea party, the church, immigrants, etc.) can impact the direction a society takes, sometimes society just changes on its own. Change can be voluntary or involuntary, planned or unplanned.

Civil rights have been evolving over a much longer period than the 1960's (ever heard of the Civil War? or the discussions between the authors of the constitution?), and is the result of many forces and events, and was a natural evolution of society. WW2 absolutely changed atttitudes, as well as the television (broadens a persons horizons), increased propserity, the automobile (more travel and vacations mean more exposure to other segments of society), and many other factors. We would have had the same result with or without some select political group called "liberals". The timing might be different, but I doubt by much.

[Evil_Conservative]

I don't need some stupid liberal to fight for my rights.  I have enough of a backbone to do what needs to be done to get what I want.  This is also the exact same reason I would never join a union.  I don't need to pay some shady fat cat my own money to tell me what to say/do/think.

You can take credit, liberals, if it helps you sleep better at night.

[Carl]

Name the Republicans who fought for Equal Rights for African Americans during the Civil Rights era of the last half of the last century?

Does this person not realize it was democrats that fought against the civil rights act of 1964?

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/12/13/194350.shtml

From DUmmies beloved wiki...

Johnson, who wanted the bill passed as soon as possible, ensured that the bill would be quickly considered by the Senate. Normally, the bill would have been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, chaired by Senator James O. Eastland, Democrat from Mississippi. Given Eastland's firm opposition, it seemed impossible that the bill would reach the Senate floor. Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield took a novel approach to prevent the bill from being relegated to Judiciary Committee limbo. Having initially waived a second reading of the bill, which would have led to it being immediately referred to Judiciary, Mansfield gave the bill a second reading on February 26, 1964, and then proposed, in the absence of precedent for instances when a second reading did not immediately follow the first, that the bill bypass the Judiciary Committee and immediately be sent to the Senate floor for debate. Although this parliamentary move led to a filibuster, the senators eventually let it pass, preferring to concentrate their resistance on passage of the bill itself.

The bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964 and the "Southern Bloc" of 18 southern Democratic Senators and one Republican Senator led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage.[6] Said Russell: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states."[7]

The most fervent opposition to the bill came from Senator Strom Thurmond (D-SC): "This so-called Civil Rights Proposals, which the President has sent to Capitol Hill for enactment into law, are unconstitutional, unnecessary, unwise and extend beyond the realm of reason. This is the worst civil-rights package ever presented to the Congress and is reminiscent of the Reconstruction proposals and actions of the radical Republican Congress."[8]

After 54 days of filibuster, Senators Everett Dirksen (R-IL), Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill that they hoped would attract enough Republican swing votes to end the filibuster. The compromise bill was weaker than the House version in regard to government power to regulate the conduct of private business, but it was not so weak as to cause the House to reconsider the legislation.[9]

On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed a filibustering address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation. Until then, the measure had occupied the Senate for 57 working days, including six Saturdays. A day earlier, Democratic Whip Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, the bill's manager, concluded he had the 67 votes required at that time to end the debate and end the filibuster. With six wavering senators providing a four-vote victory margin, the final tally stood at 71 to 29. Never in history had the Senate been able to muster enough votes to cut off a filibuster on a civil rights bill. And only once in the 37 years since 1927 had it agreed to cloture for any measure

 



Voting breakdown...

The original House version:[12]
Democratic Party: 152-96   (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34   (80%-20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[13]
Democratic Party: 44-23   (66%–34%)
Republican Party: 27-6   (82%–18%)

The Senate version:[12]
Democratic Party: 46-21   (69%–31%)
Republican Party: 27-6   (82%–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[12]
Democratic Party: 153-91   (63%–37%)
Republican Party: 136-35   (80%–20%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

[Ballygrl]

Al Gore's Father, a Democrat, voted against the Voting Rights Act.

[JohnnyReb]

The democrats voted for a Muslim that hates his black half as much as any Arab hates blacks and like a true Muslim, he thinks women have half the brain power of a man. Why do you think he put all those lame-brained socialist women in positions of power? It was so he could control them while he allowed them to destroy the U.S..

[Tucker]

How come obama never eats ribs, or for that matter, any pig meat?

[DumbAss Tanker]

Sandra Day O'Connor, first female Supreme Court Justice, appointed by Ronaldus Maximus IIRC.