My take on 2012

[Dune]

I hardly consider the affluent livelihood of a few obscure Hollywood screen-writers anywhere near as important as the security of both the United States and the west.

a few? And it wasn't just hollywood types. It was people from all sectors of life. McCarthy was an asshole, and he should of hung for his crimes.

[franksolich]

a few? And it wasn't just hollywood types. It was people from all sectors of life. McCarthy was an asshole, and he should of hung for his crimes.

McCarthy was a demagogue.

Demagoguery is no capital crime in the United States; if it were, Vast Teddy of Massachusetts wouldn't have been around any time past 1970.

[Dune]

I have no idea why McCarthy was so crazy about communism.

There's actually some things that communism/ socialism can offer. Like cheap government produced steel, it will run at a net loss, but provides cheap steel throughout the country for cheaper manufacturing. Or universal healthcare.

Communism/Socialism doesn't automatically mean dictatorship or control over your life. I think it depends on the circumstances.

Capitalism really has nothing to do with our constitution. I'm actually convinced if the founding fathers saw how our markets and economy are today, they probably roll in their graves.

[franksolich]

I have no idea why McCarthy was so crazy about communism.

Because Joe McCarthy had some, uh, personal problems, which were exacerbated by alcoholism.

For the same reason Vast Teddy was so crazy about pro-lifers; wanted to drive them out, purge them.

Politicians are people too, and sometimes one or another of them shows the same mentally unhealthy obsessions as some ordinary people do.

This of course ignores that, as it turned out, Joe McCarthy was right, but it was more good luck on his part--blind squirrel, acorn, that sort of thing--than his investigative skills.

[franksolich]

There's actually some things that communism/ socialism can offer. Like cheap government produced steel, it will run at a net loss, but provides cheap steel throughout the country for cheaper manufacturing.

Uh oh.

You hit a nerve there, sir.

<<has seen, dealt with, socialist-made steel. 

[franksolich]

Communism/Socialism doesn't automatically mean dictatorship or control over your life. I think it depends on the circumstances.

How does controlling the means of production and distribution NOT control one's life?

[franksolich]

Capitalism really has nothing to do with our constitution.

In the sense that capitalism is another form of free expression, I must disagree; there's the Bill of Rights.

[Dune]

This of course ignores that, as it turned out, Joe McCarthy was right, but it was more good luck on his part--blind squirrel, acorn, that sort of thing--than his investigative skills.

And how many innocent people suffered from his wrath? And if he happens to capture someone who is a communist/socialist, so what? Unless there is real espionage, it means nothing.

This is America, you can be whatever you want to be, conservative, religious, atheist, communist, anarchist, homosexual Whatever. Let me be what I am and I let you be what you are and lets not try to kill each other in the process.

[franksolich]

And how many innocent people suffered from his wrath? And if he happens to capture someone who is a communist/socialist, so what? Unless there is real espionage, it means nothing.

Look, sir, we don't live in a perfect world.

It's unfortunate that life isn't fair, but it's a fact that life isn't fair.

Innocent people get victimized, guilty people get off scot-free, sometimes.

That's the way it is; it's never going to be a case where everyone gets what each one deserves.

All one can do is ensure that the fewest innocent people get victimized, and that the largest proportion of guilty people pay the penalties.  That's the best we can do in this world, not 100%, but some lesser percentage.

And the record clearly shows who does the best.

Not perfect, but the best.  Perfection is unattainable.

[franksolich]

I dislike being abrupt, especially since I'm a nice guy, one of the nicest guys one can ever hope to meet, but it's late, and I'll have to take part in this discussion later.

And then after you reach the minimum posts required for admittance into the "Fight Club" forum--it's either 50 or 100, I disremember which--I'd like to move this thread there, where there's no holds barred (for either side).

For the meantime, have a good night.

[Dune]

Look, sir, we don't live in a perfect world.

It's unfortunate that life isn't fair, but it's a fact that life isn't fair.

Innocent people get victimized, guilty people get off scot-free, sometimes.

That's the way it is; it's never going to be a case where everyone gets what each one deserves.

All one can do is ensure that the fewest innocent people get victimized, and that the largest proportion of guilty people pay the penalties.  That's the best we can do in this world, not 100%, but some lesser percentage.

And the record clearly shows who does the best.

Not perfect, but the best.  Perfection is unattainable.

So going around screaming in congress and banishing people almost randomly like a lunatic is acceptable behavior for our government?

Do you also condone the Salem Witch Trials?

We are a nation of laws, not of shadow governments......oh wait.

[dandi]

I've never seen the Soviets as a serious threat, so long as there was M.A.D., Just a bogeyman that was never going to come into fruition.

Ignorant, isolationist, smarmy prick.  Yep, you're a ronbot with a heap of DUmbass thrown in for good measure.

I really don't need to read anything else you have to type to figure out how big of a moron you are.

BTW, if you don't like what you see here, get out.

[Dune]

Ignorant, isolationist, smarmy prick.  Yep, you're a ronbot with a heap of DUmbass thrown in for good measure.

I really don't need to read anything else you have to type to figure out how big of a moron you are.

BTW, if you don't like what you see here, get out.

Booga Booga Booga. The Soviets are coming. The Soviets are coming.

lol, tool. If staying under a rock thinking everyone is out to getcha is not being a "ronbot, DUmbass, moron", I reall don't know what to say.
You are clearly the dumbass, Sir. Not me. Oh and watch out for incoming Soviet invasion.
Oh and keep making insulting remarks about me being a teacher with your DU friends, while you have no idea what,where, or for who I teach. Forum seems to be full of Fukin' Fart Sniffers.

[Attero Dominatus]

Communism/Socialism doesn't automatically mean dictatorship or control over your life. I think it depends on the circumstances.

The dictatorship of the proletariat has absolute control of the means of production. While meant to be a transitional period between state socialism and stateless communism, it gives a government absolute power over the people. The dictatorship of the proletariat controls what products are produced, how they are produced, and who the products go to. Enemies of the revolution are simply denied food and suffer one of the most horrible deaths possible, as evidenced by the Holomodor, the Great Leap Forward and the Khmer Rouge.

Even if pure communism were ever achieved, it would resemble the mob rule of democracy. If the weak were a drain on the collective, then they would be sacrificed against their will. Collectivism dehumanizes people.

[Dune]

The dictatorship of the proletariat has absolute control of the means of production. While meant to be a transitional period between state socialism and stateless communism, it gives a government absolute power over the people. The dictatorship of the proletariat controls what products are produced, how they are produced, and who the products go to. Enemies of the revolution are simply denied food and suffer one of the most horrible deaths possible, as evidenced by the Holomodor, the Great Leap Forward and the Khmer Rouge.

Even if pure communism were ever achieved, it would resemble the mob rule of democracy. If the weak were a drain on the collective, then they would be sacrificed against their will. Collectivism dehumanizes people.

Communism/Socialism can be formed in many ways. I'm not necessarily talking about their true orthodox form but hybrids and alterations and borrowed ideas.

Things can be experimented on, like net loss state production of materials, leading to cheaper manufacturing in the U.S. as an example. Because as it stands, it'd pretty hard to compete with overseas slave labor. How can you compete making a baseball cap when your competitor had it made for .20 cents in Indonesia?

[dandi]

Booga Booga Booga. The Soviets are coming. The Soviets are coming.

lol, tool. If staying under a rock thinking everyone is out to getcha is not being a "ronbot, DUmbass, moron", I reall don't know what to say.
You are clearly the dumbass, Sir. Not me. Oh and watch out for incoming Soviet invasion.
Oh and keep making insulting remarks about me being a teacher with your DU friends, while you have no idea what,where, or for who I teach. Forum seems to be full of Fukin' Fart Sniffers.

Okay, "tool", tell me exactly how much experience you have had with the ex Soviet empire?  Exactly what perspective do you have?

For the record, DUmbass, I have said nothing of you being a "teacher", insult or otherwise.  If you are going to try and be cute, try to also be accurate.

Again, if you don't like what you see here, leave.  Unless, that is, you are one of those that seeks attention no matter what kind.

[Dune]

Okay, "tool", tell me exactly how much experience you have had with the ex Soviet empire?  Exactly what perspective do you have?

For the record, DUmbass, I have said nothing of you being a "teacher", insult or otherwise.  If you are going to try and be cute, try to also be accurate.

Again, if you don't like what you see here, leave.  Unless, that is, you are one of those that seeks attention no matter what kind.

Oh, I don't plan on sticking around here, it's too hostile. At least I tried to behave like an adult, but I see that I have encountered too many know-it-all's that throw more insults than substance. 

My experiences....hmmmm. I once bought a silver engraved Soviet snuff box from Turkey. Nice Antique.
My perspective....hmmmm. The simple fact that this scenario is ridiculous:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnd0qg4I_MM[/youtube]

[delilahmused]

Considering (retired) he was one of the top engineers for NY Transit Authority, he saved the city millions of dollars. Hence, saving tax payers millions of dollars. He'd tell me stories about how private contractors were always trying to rip the city off and he didn't allow them.

Yeah, yeah **** you too.

I think you should rename your website, "Conservative rabid asserholes".

And yet you didn't respond to any of my comments. And I didn't say "**** you". Why ARE we "conservative rabid asserholes" (whatever that is)? You put out your opinions. We put out ours. Yeah, I think you're pretty misinformed because much of what you wrote isn't based on even the most rudimentary understanding of economics.

As for your dad, taxpayers would've saved most if these transit companies were privately owned. Then they'd have to sink or swim without taxpayers propping them up. Daddy didn't ALLOW them? Please! Why in the name of Heaven to liberals always have to be so damn holier than thou? Sometimes the lowest bidder isn't always the best choice. My husband works for a private semiconductor company. He maintains the machines, fixes problems, designs experiments, etc. and one of the things he's learned after almost 30 years in the industry is that sometimes it's better to pay more for quality. It will last longer and require less maintenance, thus saving the company more money in the long run.

I seriously hope you don't teach Literature, History, or Economics.

Oh, and Clinton's little episode on Fox...he looked like an angry, hysterical, defensive jackass. It's quite possible if he'd had the balls to pull the trigger 9/11 would never have happened. He had more than one opportunity. Was even offered OBL on a silver platter. Hell, even the little jug-eared Marxist in the White House had the balls to do what Clinton didn't.

As for the WMD, Bush did a terrible job defending himself but they did find a lot of nasty stuff. I remember one large cache they found and the left was complaining about it being shipped over here. Even the report filed by the Iraq Survey Group said so. Oh, and here's a portion of a declassified report given to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence by the National Ground Intelligence Center. Note the date...AFTER we'd gone into Iraq...the things that make you go hmmmmm...not to mention there is a body of evidence that suggests quite a bit of it went to Syria.

Even IF he didn't have so much as a thimble full, he'd broken every single agreement he made with the UN and was unwilling to allow inspections. At some point you've got to say enough is enough. 9/11 happened because Clinton proved to the world we were nothing but a paper tiger. And btw, it was the CLINTON justice department, NOT GW who linked Saddam to Al Qaeda via a law suit. Evidence was pretty compelling, as I recall. The press and the left made sure that was buried by the time we went into Iraq to finally enforce decades of pussified capitulation by the UN. They were too busy trying to convince the American people the war was lost (Harry Reid), men and women serving in Iraq were too stupid to do anything else (John Kerry...who served in Vietnam), or were knocking down doors and slaughtering innocent people in the dead of night (Barak Hussein 0bama...mmm...mmm...mmm) or murdering civilians in cold blood (Jack Murtha, who betrayed his own Corp...or corpse if you're using the new and improved pronunciation) in Haditha, which turned out to be a complete lie.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

As for your not sticking around, if you can't take the heat...or defend yourself and your positions using facts (readily available via a google search usually) then you are going to get harassed.

Cindie

[dandi]

Oh, I don't plan on sticking around here, it's too hostile. At least I tried to behave like an adult, but I see that I have encountered too many know-it-all's that throw more insults than substance. 

My experiences....hmmmm. I once bought a silver engraved Soviet snuff box from Turkey. Nice Antique.
My perspective....hmmmm. The simple fact that this scenario is ridiculous:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnd0qg4I_MM[/youtube]

Pretty much what I thought.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Dune]

As for your dad, taxpayers would've saved most if these transit companies were privately owned. Then they'd have to sink or swim without taxpayers propping them up. Daddy didn't ALLOW them? Please! Why in the name of Heaven to liberals always have to be so damn holier than thou? Sometimes the lowest bidder isn't always the best choice. My husband works for a private semiconductor company. He maintains the machines, fixes problems, designs experiments, etc. and one of the things he's learned after almost 30 years in the industry is that sometimes it's better to pay more for quality. It will last longer and require less maintenance, thus saving the company more money in the long run.

Ok first of all you stupid, bitch, my father was a model civil servant. And I never said he went for the lowest bidder. In fact, he got the best quality for the lowest price with never being a battery incident in over 30 years on his watch.

Good for your husband. He worked in the private sector, hoorah. My father did a ton of good work for the city and could have made double in the private sector but loved working for the public and benefits.

In fact people like your husband, my Dad is their boss. Don't talk shit about my Dad again, ****.

[dandi]

Ok first of all you stupid, bitch, my father was a model civil servant. And I never said he went for the lowest bidder. In fact, he got the best quality for the lowest price with never being a battery incident in over 30 years on his watch.

Good for your husband. He worked in the private sector, hoorah. My father did a ton of good work for the city and could have made double in the private sector but loved working for the public and benefits.

In fact people like your husband, my Dad is their boss. Don't talk shit about my Dad again, ****.

See ya, ****head.

Clean up, aisle 5....

[Dune]

No more posts by me. I'm out. And good riddance.

[delilahmused]

I have no idea why McCarthy was so crazy about communism.

There's actually some things that communism/ socialism can offer. Like cheap government produced steel, it will run at a net loss, but provides cheap steel throughout the country for cheaper manufacturing. Or universal healthcare.

Communism/Socialism doesn't automatically mean dictatorship or control over your life. I think it depends on the circumstances.

Capitalism really has nothing to do with our constitution. I'm actually convinced if the founding fathers saw how our markets and economy are today, they probably roll in their graves.

There are plenty of countries "experimenting" with that kind of thing. America doesn't have to be one of them. People want to come here because of our freedoms. Government owning the means of production takes away freedom. Just check the 0bama administration's arbitrary closings of car dealerships based on political affiliation. The more government control there is, the closer to tyranny a government becomes. If that kind of thing is important to you then there are plenty of countries that will  accommodate you. Socialism was one of the first things tried here. Damned pilgrims kept dying off because some of the little ****ers refused to pull their weight. It wasn't until they were each provided their own plot of land and allowed to sink or swim on their own that this country started to be successful and productive.

Cindie

[LC EFA]

Ok first of all you stupid, bitch, my father was a model civil servant. And I never said he went for the lowest bidder. In fact, he got the best quality for the lowest price with never being a battery incident in over 30 years on his watch.

Good for your husband. He worked in the private sector, hoorah. My father did a ton of good work for the city and could have made double in the private sector but loved working for the public and benefits.

In fact people like your husband, my Dad is their boss. Don't talk shit about my Dad again, ****.

No more posts by me. I'm out. And good riddance.

Happy to oblige.

[vesta111]

Happy to oblige.

Thank you LC, that poster has a lot of nerve walking into our HOME and using insults to our Family and friends.

We did not walk into his Home and call his father a bald headed bastard.

 Just a very slight criticism of view on his Daddy's work by a female caused him to attack her and as part of OUR family,  this was akin to picking him up by the back of his pants and throwing him into the street.

Again, thank you LC, I can just imagine what he would have called ME had I chimed in-----