My take on 2012

[Dune]

3.  The 90s didn't see a whole lot of terrorist bombings, certainly a few and by the late 1990s Bin Laden was on the watch list. The CIA does not, however, go killing people willy nilly just because it seems like a good idea at the time.  It was Clinton who failed to give the order as proscribed under our laws.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY[/youtube]

[seahorse513]

Learn to spell.

Also, 9th Company is not an accurate movie: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/battle-for-the-hill.pdf

I agree, most historical movies that have been Hollywoodified are rarely accurate...

[Dune]

Learn to spell.

Also, 9th Company is not an accurate movie: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/battle-for-the-hill.pdf

What did I do, misspell one word? Get a life.
I know about the accuracy and inaccuracies of the film. I think it's a good story through the point of view of some young Russian paratroopers and what kind of enemy they faced.
The vehicles, tactics, training, and some battle scenes are pretty accurate. If no one wants to watch then fine, I just threw it out there cause its a decent point of reference. But instead used it to attack my profession, my integrity. And then that guy on the other page asks me why I don't want to share any more information about myself.

As far as I am concerned I can say "hi" and I will get a big "Fuk you" from this group. So Fuk you all too.

[formerlurker]

What did I do, misspell one word? Get a life.
I know about the accuracy and inaccuracies of the film. I think it's a good story through the point of view of some young Russian paratroopers and what kind of enemy they faced.
The vehicles, tactics, training, and some battle scenes are pretty accurate. If no one wants to watch then fine, I just threw it out there cause its a decent point of reference. But instead used it to attack my profession, my integrity. And then that guy on the other page asks me why I don't want to share any more information about myself.

As far as I am concerned I can say "hi" and I will get a big "Fuk you" from this group. So Fuk you all too.

I never asked you why you won't share info about yourself.  I asked a snarky question do you show this movie to your students.

You offered info about yourself unsolicited, so it was fair game at that point.

Why you feel a movie supports your claim that the Soviets should have been allowed to take Afghanistan is not anything that can be defended with fact. 

[seahorse513]

Actually there were two misspelled words. You say you are a teacher, yet you got offended when we were pointing that out to you. If you are going to say **** you, you could spell the word **** right, while you were at it. Using a Hollywoodified historical movie as a point of reference??? bwahahaha!!

[formerlurker]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY[/youtube]

 

What could I do Chris.. the FBI and CIA wouldn't certify OBL was responsible for the Cole...... the military didn't want to go into Afghanistan.......


 

I tried...... I tried......  


How presidential of you Mr. Clinton, you total POS liar.    Those who served in Special Operations know you for the damn finger waving liar that you are.   9/11 is on your head and your head only.

ETA:   Special Ops personnel can't write a book yet,  yet.   They will, and I hope you live long enough to read it.

[Dune]

I never asked you why you won't share info about yourself.  I asked a snarky question do you show this movie to your students.

You offered info about yourself unsolicited, so it was fair game at that point.

Why you feel a movie supports your claim that the Soviets should have been allowed to take Afghanistan is not anything that can be defended with fact. 

No I don't show films like that to my students because it has nothing to do with what I am teaching. In fact the only films I show are clips of films by David Lynch because it helps teach the theories I try to express and I might show a scene or two from the movie Pollock. But that's about it.

Like, wtf, people telling me I'm a bad teacher and every student I've ever had has told me that I am the best teacher of my subject they have ever had.

Why the film? I think it brings into context what the hell those poor bastards had to endure because of our meddling. The Mujhadeen were absolutely ruthless and we let that kind of theocratic enemy take over Afghanistan which in turns leads to all those poor American soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen we've lost over there.  

[Dune]

Actually there were two misspelled words. You say you are a teacher, yet you got offended when we were pointing that out to you. If you are going to say **** you, you could spell the word **** right, while you were at it. Using a Hollywoodified historical movie as a point of reference??? bwahahaha!!

Right....teachers can't misspell words......

Some of the most brilliant professors I've ever had weren't that great spellers, shows just how much of a dumbass you are.

[formerlurker]

No I don't show films like that to my students because it has nothing to do with what I am teaching. In fact the only films I show are clips of films by David Lynch because it helps teach the theories I try to express and I might show a scene or two from the movie Pollock. But that's about it.

Like, wtf, people telling me I'm a bad teacher and every student I've ever had has told me that I am the best teacher of my subject they have ever had.

Why the film? I think it brings into context what the hell those poor bastards had to endure because of our meddling. The Mujhadeen were absolutely ruthless and we let that kind of theocratic enemy take over Afghanistan which in turns leads to all those poor American soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen we've lost over there.  

You can't compare the two, and as the clip you posted demonstrates -- actions, or rather inactions, can change the world.  

Stopping the Soviet Union from expanding and securing a warm water port was of critical importance to the interests of the United States and the world for that matter.    Any  military historian worth their salt will agree with that assertion.

[Dune]

Stopping the Soviet Union from expanding and securing a warm water port was of critical importance to the interests of the United States and the world for that matter.    Any  military historian worth their salt will agree with that assertion.

I've never seen the Soviets as a serious threat, so long as there was M.A.D., Just a bogeyman that was never going to come into fruition.
I have no idea if the defeat in Afghanistan had a major role or not in the crumbling down of the Soviet Union, but even if it did, I still think we would have been better off without Afghanistan on our plate.

Some Vietnam Vets question the purpose of placing an emphasis on national building (with Obama it seems to be half/half for national building or counter-terrorism, even though he says his focus is counter-terrorism.) when there is an enemy that is mobile and can attack anywhere at any time. I.E. just let it be strictly Counter-terrorism and let the Afghans take care of their own. That way we can leave and just keep a handful of special forces there.

[seahorse513]

Right....teachers can't misspell words......

Some of the most brilliant professors I've ever had weren't that great spellers, shows just how much of a dumbass you are.

Well dumbass, you are not much of a teacher, and neither are they, if they don't proofread what they write, and not setting a good example to their students....

[Dune]

How presidential of you Mr. Clinton, you total POS liar.    Those who served in Special Operations know you for the damn finger waving liar that you are.   9/11 is on your head and your head only.

ETA:   Special Ops personnel can't write a book yet,  yet.   They will, and I hope you live long enough to read it.

How would the Spec Ops know if they were never deployed?

9/11 is on his head??? He's not the one who ignored memos about Al Quaida.

[Dune]

Well dumbass, you are not much of a teacher, and neither are they, if they don't proofread what they write, and not setting a good example to their students....

Well I am not proofreading on here, because I don't feel that I care. This is just some random forum, not some thesis paper. Yeah and I'm pretty sure my professors proofread before they publish their books, dumbass.

Seriously, you hounding me this much over a misspelled word? Like I care.

[Eupher]

How would the Spec Ops know if they were never deployed?

9/11 is on his head??? He's not the one who ignored memos about Al Quaida.

You're kidding, right?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/218683/facts-about-clinton-and-terrorism/byron-york

[formerlurker]

I've never seen the Soviets as a serious threat......

Didn't pay attention much in class when WWII was discussed did you?

[formerlurker]

How would the Spec Ops know if they were never deployed?

9/11 is on his head??? He's not the one who ignored memos about Al Quaida.

Oh my.   

[Dune]

You're kidding, right?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/218683/facts-about-clinton-and-terrorism/byron-york

I just read that article. The author seems to feel that when Clinton was trying to broker a Israeli-Palestinian peace, it was counteractive to the issue. It kind of shows of how ignorant the author is since the Palestinian conflict is what inspires Jihadists the most to destroy American interests and people. Conservatives can say "wag the dog" when he shoots cruise missiles into Afghanistan, but then afterwards display him "ineffective" as the author describes.

[Dune]

Didn't pay attention much in class when WWII was discussed did you?

I don't swallow everything I read or hear. When I was in 10th grade, the "history teacher" took a vote of how many people felt it was necessary to bomb Japan with Atomics.
I was only 1 of 2 that raised there hand in the entire class that said no. And then my teacher proceeded to tell me why I was wrong.

History is subjective. Except for a few facts, most of it is just interpretation.
And no I've never seen the Soviets as a serious threat so long as there was M.A.D.

Did you pay attention in the real world class called, "Critical Thinking"?

[franksolich]

Did you pay attention in the real world class called, "Critical Thinking"?

Excuse me, sir, but did you?

[Delmar]

I've never seen the Soviets as a serious threat, so long as there was M.A.D., Just a bogeyman that was never going to come into fruition.
I have no idea if the defeat in Afghanistan had a major role or not in the crumbling down of the Soviet Union, but even if it did, I still think we would have been better off without Afghanistan on our plate.

Some Vietnam Vets question the purpose of placing an emphasis on national building (with Obama it seems to be half/half for national building or counter-terrorism, even though he says his focus is counter-terrorism.) when there is an enemy that is mobile and can attack anywhere at any time. I.E. just let it be strictly Counter-terrorism and let the Afghans take care of their own. That way we can leave and just keep a handful of special forces there.

Let me guess, it was the House Committee on Un-American Activities, Sen. Joe McCarthy, Ronald Reagan, and their ilk that were the real threat?

[franksolich]

And no I've never seen the Soviets as a serious threat so long as there was M.A.D.

You're not using your critical thinking skills here, sir.

We believed that mutually-assured destruction would happen in case of a war with the Soviets.

The Soviets themselves believed no such thing.

[Dune]

Let me guess, it was the House Committee on Un-American Activities, Sen. Joe McCarthy, Ronald Reagan, and their ilk that were the real threat?

Yes.

The Soviets themselves believed no such thing.

If they didn't give a flying hoot about M.A.D., then you and I wouldn't be having this discussion, would we?

[franksolich]

Yes.

How many atomic bomb and other secrets did Joe McCarthy give the Soviets?

[Dune]

How many atomic bomb and other secrets did Joe McCarthy give the Soviets?

How many loyal Americans lost everything they had just because McCarthy was a paranoid, power hungry asshole ?

[franksolich]

How many loyal Americans lost everything they had just because McCarthy was a paranoid, power hungry asshole ?

I hardly consider the affluent livelihood of a few obscure Hollywood screen-writers anywhere near as important as the security of both the United States and the west.