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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2011, 08:56:00 PM »
Social Security runs a pretty tight operation with giving disability. They reject most people. And even if someone gets disability they have a hard-cap limit of how much funds they can have.
Btw, someone with a severe mental disorder who lands in a psychiatric hospital several times can have a much harder disposition than someone in a wheelchair. So it's not a simple process.

You have no idea what cohort of the population I am referring to.    I am not referring to someone who is simply in a wheelchair, and hmmm, you do seem to know quite a bit about the SSI process for misfits.  

You are from the DU aren't you?


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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2011, 08:57:52 PM »
We should have let the Soviets had their way and demolish Afghanistan.

Oh dear.  You just can educate this kind of stupid... with you being a private school teacher and all, I have to say I am disappointed that you aren't smarter than a six grader.


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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2011, 08:59:00 PM »
You have no idea what cohort of the population I am referring to.    I am not referring to someone who is simply in a wheelchair, and hmmm, you do seem to know quite a bit about the SSI process for misfits.  

You are from the DU aren't you?

I know what population I am referring to. I just didn't reply cause I wasn't sure if we are on the same page.

I'm not from anywhere. I'm just some dude surfing the net and interested in the 2012 election.

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2011, 09:00:16 PM »
Oh dear.  You just can educate this kind of stupid... with you being a private school teacher and all, I have to say I am disappointed that you aren't smarter than a six grader.



Alright, so much for civility. Obviously the hostility is too tight here.

I'de suggest you watch the film the 9th platoon. It's in a foreign language, so I hope you can handle subtetitles, jerk. It will help you understand the war from the Soviet point of view.
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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2011, 09:01:43 PM »
Alright, so much for civility. Obviously the hostility is too tight here.

No, just lack of patience for nonsense.  Your comment that I quoted is testament that you aren't a serious debater, or rather hardly an informed one.


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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2011, 09:04:18 PM »
No, just lack of patience for nonsense.  Your comment that I quoted is testament that you aren't a serious debater, or rather hardly an informed one.



I'de suggest you watch the film the 9th platoon. It's in a foreign language, so I hope you can handle subtetitles, jerk. It will help you understand the war from the Soviet point of view.

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2011, 09:11:49 PM »
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I'de suggest you watch the film the 9th platoon. It's in a foreign language, so I hope you can handle subtetitles, jerk. It will help you understand the war from the Soviet point of view.

Oh, help me understand the war from the Russian's point of view.

A movie will do that.

D'oh, why the hell do I read when there's a movie????    :whatever:


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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2011, 09:13:23 PM »
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Oh, help me understand the war from the Russian's point of view.

A movie will do that.

D'oh, why the hell do I read when there's a movie????    :whatever:

Oh, I know my history and love to read it. But in terms of convenience, it's a good start.

Let me ask you this: Do you think what we have now (taliban-Al Quaida and a weak puppet Sharia Law lite "democracy") is better than an Atheist communist state?
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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2011, 09:18:22 PM »
Your history indeed.   

It's your knowledge of actual history (information about which is not secured from a movie) that is in question here.


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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2011, 09:19:35 PM »
Your history indeed.   

It's your knowledge of actual history (information about which is not secured from a movie) that is in question here.



Great way to dodge the question. Some films are quite educational, this happens to be one of them.

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2011, 09:20:26 PM »
Oh, I know my history and love to read it. But in terms of convenience, it's a good start.

Let me ask you this: Do you think what we have now (taliban-Al Quaida and a weak puppet Sharia Law lite "democracy") is better than an Atheist communist state?

Well, I honestly could give a flying fig if the Soviets had expanded into Afghanistan and ended it there.  It's the warm water ports they were heading for that I take issue with.

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2011, 09:21:10 PM »
Great way to dodge the question. Some films are quite educational, this happens to be one of them.

Sure, sure.  This what you are showing your students? 

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2011, 09:23:42 PM »
Great way to dodge the question.

You edited the post to add the question after I hit reply to respond...   :mental:

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2011, 09:24:35 PM »
Sure, sure.  This what you are showing your students?  

Yeah I'm not gonna talk about my private life. But I can tell you I don't teach history. Although I could. I'm particularly knowledgeable in Baroque and Ancient History, but that's beside the point.

You edited the post to add the question after I hit reply to respond...   :mental:

Yeah, maybe like 1 second after....

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2011, 09:24:59 PM »
Hold on, I see the problem here.   Did they NOT mention The Soviet's quest for warm water ports in this movie.  

Totally understand the confusion now.


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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2011, 09:26:53 PM »
Yeah I'm not gonna talk about my private life. But I can tell you I don't teach history. Although I could. I'm particularly knowledgeable in Baroque and Ancient History, but that's beside the point.

I'm confused:

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Me too. I'm a teacher in the private sector. Why? Because I want to teach my way and I am very effective at how I teach. I refuse to work in a school system where I am forced to teach things and methods I know are bullshit.

No one asked, you offered.   

I have to head to bed, long day.  Catch on the flip side.  :yawn:


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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2011, 09:27:37 PM »
Hold on, I see the problem here.   Did they NOT mention The Soviet's quest for warm water ports in this movie.  

Totally understand the confusion now.

I really could care less if they had more ports. They sailed warships on South America not too long ago...
In the scheme of things it sounds very trivial.

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2011, 10:15:57 PM »
Oh, I know my history and love to read it. But in terms of convenience, it's a good start.

Let me ask you this: Do you think what we have now (taliban-Al Quaida and a weak puppet Sharia Law lite "democracy") is better than an Atheist communist state?

Spoken like someone who never had the pleasure of playing tag with the commies in the Pacific nor has a clue about the very real need to stop the Soviet monster in its tracks.

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2011, 07:12:32 AM »
Spoken like someone who never had the pleasure of playing tag with the commies in the Pacific nor has a clue about the very real need to stop the Soviet monster in its tracks.

You know very little, sir.

He's a teacher, a great one by his own standards.

They must watch movies a lot.



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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2011, 12:46:26 PM »
Oh dear.  You just can educate this kind of stupid... with you being a private school teacher and all, I have to say I am disappointed that you aren't smarter than a six grader.



You know this was a super bitchy response from me which I apologize for.

I think you are dead wrong on this, but I didn't have to insult you like that.

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2011, 02:18:39 PM »
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1. Social Security and Medicare. Do I want a voucher system for my grandmother who relies completely on medicare and social security like Paul Ryan wants. No.

I have a 92 year old nana too and I do the Medicare dance with her every year. If you're truly concerned about yours then you should be really pissed about 0bamacare as it strips them of Medicare Advantage, which is generally cheaper and of better quality than gap programs with separate drug coverage. She would benefit greatly from a plan that would allow her to buy across straight lines as she lives in CA and she could get a much better policy for about a quarter of what she pays now if she were allowed to buy in my state. But the fact that you don't even understand those currently on SS won't be affected by ANY legislation EXCEPT 0bamacare shows you don't have a freaking clue what you're talking about. You should do more research.

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2. Do I want to see Medicaid eliminated? Yes. It's a band aid system that doesn't really help anyone except illegal immigrants.

Granted but it beats 0bamacare by a mile. And one solution would be to NOT allow illegal aliens (they aren't immigrants) to use it and perhaps deporting them when they apply. What a concept.

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3. Do I want tax breaks for wealthy people and corporations when most corporations have reporting record profits? No.

Class warfare talking point. There are many solutions to the current tax problems (a flat tax, for instance) that would eliminate "tax breaks" for all. But many of those "tax breaks" allow them to hire more of your precious working class.

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4. Do I want a tax break for working class and poor Americans? Yes

Again, class warfare talking point. Most "working class" and ALL poor pay NO taxes at all. You're ignorance is showing. Once again.

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5. Do I want a healthcare system based on private healthcare industry that makes so much profits off of screwing people over and makes the oil companies blush in terms of profits? No

Again, ignorant talking point. Oil company profits are fairly low compared to other industries. The government's "profits", however, are 100%. I don't give a flying rat's ass what company profits are (except as a person who has a retirement plan and mutual funds I prefer the companies I invest in make huge profits because that means my portfolio grows. As one of your "working class", that helps me a great deal and I get a helluva lot more from my investments (even with the current downturn) than SS will ever provide.

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6. Do I want a secure border? Yes. Do I want every illegal tossed out of this country? Yes.

Agree.

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7. Do I believe illegal immigrants do jobs Americans don't want to do? No. Americans will do any job, so long as the pay is decent.

Agree. But I don't believe pay should be artificially inflated by minimum wage. One of my first jobs was picking strawberries. It was hard work in the hot sun. We were paid "per flat" which wasn't much but I thought it was a fortune at the time. And I learned the value of hard work. It provided lessons about a good work ethic that prepared me for better jobs.

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8. Do I believe in cutting government? Oh yes.


Don't we all. Ryan's plan would do that quite well.

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9. Do I believe private contractors screw tax payers over? Yes. My father is a retired electrical engineer who had to fight tooth and nail with contractors trying to charge 1/4 million dollars for a train battery when it is only really worth 50k.

Market determines prices. Unless your dad owned the freaking train (in which case he's hardly poor and if it's Amtrak he gets government subsidies) why should it matter to him what the company pays for batteries?

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10. Do I believe that our war in Libya is illegal? Yes, no declaration of war was declared and congress was not consulted and did not approve of it.

Agreed.

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11. Do I believe we should pull our troops home? Yes it is expensive and dangerous having our troops spread out all over the world. We have no business setting up Islamic democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq that are Sharia Law light.

I have mixed feelings about this so won't get into it. But do believe we should give more weight to those who are over there than private citizens who don't really have a clue.

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12. Do I want to see an economy that seems to be based on speculation and consumer spending? No

Bullshit. Another class warfare talking point. If people think something is worth the price, they'll buy it. If not, they won't.

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13. Do I think companies outsourcing jobs to poor countries, paying them disgusting wages and working obscene hours should be illegal? yes. Americans can't compete with slavery. How do you compete with a product that costs .20 cents to make?

Again, class warfare talking point. Minimum wage laws and union wages artificially inflate product cost (and in the case of government workers they earn twice what those paying their salaries make). What would be dirt wages in this country are a fortune in poorer countries. Companies are in the business of making profits (again, their profits help those working class with mutual funds and other investments).

You're an idiot. That's about as civil as I can be given you're lack of understanding.

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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2011, 08:03:51 PM »
Alright, so much for civility. Obviously the hostility is too tight here.

I'de suggest you watch the film the 9th platoon. It's in a foreign language, so I hope you can handle subtetitles, jerk. It will help you understand the war from the Soviet point of view.

Learn to spell.

Also, 9th Company is not an accurate movie: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/battle-for-the-hill.pdf
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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2011, 08:11:08 PM »
Market determines prices. Unless your dad owned the freaking train (in which case he's hardly poor and if it's Amtrak he gets government subsidies) why should it matter to him what the company pays for batteries?

Considering (retired) he was one of the top engineers for NY Transit Authority, he saved the city millions of dollars. Hence, saving tax payers millions of dollars. He'd tell me stories about how private contractors were always trying to rip the city off and he didn't allow them.

You're an idiot. That's about as civil as I can be given you're lack of understanding.

Yeah, yeah **** you too.

I think you should rename your website, "Conservative rabid asserholes".
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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2011, 08:13:51 PM »
OK, why is not dismantling the CIA not a brilliant idea?

They are the biggest ****-Up organization ever.

1. Their decisions led to the present theocratic government of Iran
2. They support Afghans and Bin Laden to defeat the Soviets from Afghanistan
3. They refused to give clearance in the 90's that Bin Laden and Al Quaida were responsible for recent bombings hence halting a special forces operation to kill Bin Laden
4. They said that Iraq had WMD's
5. The French dragged us into Libya and then the CIA doesn't know what to do ending up investigating the rebels instead of helping end the war leading to a stalemate civil war
6. They operate secret prisons doing whatever the **** they want
7. They manipulate media overseas to their agenda, they operate above the U.S. government as their own government with their own agenda and policies
8. We have no idea how far their crimes reach because there is no oversight

And the department of Homeland Security?
What is it that they can do that the FBI can't? Seriously, what a waste of money.

What about the ATF? They have been smuggling guns to Mexico and Honduras, all to justify ever tighter restrictions on gun ownership. All facts (independently verified by multiple whistleblowers within the agency itself), unlike the stuff you allege about the CIA.
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Re: My take on 2012
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2011, 08:17:56 PM »
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1. Their decisions led to the present theocratic government of Iran
2. They support Afghans and Bin Laden to defeat the Soviets from Afghanistan
3. They refused to give clearance in the 90's that Bin Laden and Al Quaida were responsible for recent bombings hence halting a special forces operation to kill Bin Laden
4. They said that Iraq had WMD's
5. The French dragged us into Libya and then the CIA doesn't know what to do ending up investigating the rebels instead of helping end the war leading to a stalemate civil war
6. They operate secret prisons doing whatever the **** they want
7. They manipulate media overseas to their agenda, they operate above the U.S. government as their own government with their own agenda and policies
8. We have no idea how far their crimes reach because there is no oversight

Really?  And you said you are a teacher? 

1. Jimmy Carter at the time set foreign policy and his was rather disastrous.  His intelligence from that part of the world was especially lacking because he had gutted the Middle Eastern department the year prior to Khomeni's return.  There weren't even interpreters to read the local newspapers

2. Yes, yes they did.  I'm sure there's a point here, but you forgot the object of the sentence.

3.  The 90s didn't see a whole lot of terrorist bombings, certainly a few and by the late 1990s Bin Laden was on the watch list. The CIA does not, however, go killing people willy nilly just because it seems like a good idea at the time.  It was Clinton who failed to give the order as proscribed under our laws.

4. So did everybody else.  Oops.  Can't get 'em all right.  And by everybody else I mean British and French intelligence agencies, there were probably others, just can't remember off the top of my head.

5. Are you complaining here that the CIA wasn't ready for our ridiculous foray into the Libyan civil war?  Again, I don't think anyone saw that coming and given the wishy-washy waffleicious leadership style of the current chief executive, I don't think anybody else foresaw our involvement either.

6. Yes they do operate secret prisons but they don't do whatever they want, if they are caught doing things they are not supposed to, the press gets to have a field day, careers are destroyed, and the courts decide if necessary.

7. Here's the real issue and there's no point arguing.  If you believe the CIA is the right hand of God and that this is really just a real life version of Deus Ex, there's no discussion to be had.

8.  There is oversight, it's the Congress.

Glad to have helped, have a nice day!   O-)