Or so say the amnesiacs at DU:
Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-21-11 03:15 AM
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Ecuador Judge Orders Prison, Fine for Owners of El Universo
Source: Bloomberg
Ecuador Judge Orders Prison, Fine for Owners of El Universo
By Nathan Gill - Jul 21, 2011 12:00 AM CT
An Ecuadorean judge sentenced the owners of El Universo, the nation’s biggest newspaper, and a former editor at the publication to three years in prison and a $40 million fine for libel against President Rafael Correa, the government said yesterday.
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Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-21/ecuador-judge-...
It reads Bloomberg?
Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-21-11 04:18 AM
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2. Thanks for posting that link. Astonishing. That wouldn't pass here, would it? Absolutely not.
Did you notice the columnist looks just like the banana magnate, the richest guy in Ecuador who ran against Correa, Ãlvaro Noboa?
Well that's certainly grounds for conviction, isn't it.
Running against a president is treason, you know.
McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-21-11 04:18 AM
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3. Can you translate that? It seems to be accusing the president of covering up
crimes against humanity by pardoning the soldiers who killed folks while trying to save the president. If so, then this would be the same as calling for a war crimes tribunal for Secret Service agents who shoot and kill a would be presidential assassin here. While the US values its freedom of speech, if someone was to write that the Secret Service has no right to defend the president, it could be construed as an attempt to incite people to attempt to kill the president---the one form of speech that isn't free in the US.
What?
Criticizing the USSS is legally equivalent to inciting an assassination? I have no complaints against the USSS and no matter how I try to delve into the DUmbass psyche from time-to-time I can't wrap my head around this.
BTW - Agent Mike to the white courtesy phone.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-21-11 04:44 AM
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4. That is what I get, too.
This @sshole has turned an attempted coup on its head. Two of Correa's bodyguards were killed protecting him. I hope he enjoys prison.
COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-21-11 10:55 AM
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5. About what you'd expect from Correa.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-21-11 01:19 PM
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6. To defend himself using due process of law, absolutely.
If only Bush had laws like that EMatahari would have approved of BushCo more readily.
Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-21-11 02:01 PM
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8. yep, the columnist called Correa a dictator. so he gets thrown in jail by the "non-dictator" n/
Then comes a 2,759 word screed that can be reduced to Label + Weak Analogy = Justification.
I'll truncate:
Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-21-11 01:45 PM
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7. We need to be beware of "framing/spin" in corpo-fascist news stories out of Latin America.
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Indeed, Chavez would have been within his rights--as the duly elected president of Venezuela--to deny RCTV a license renewal merely on the grounds of the extremely rightwing tilt of all news broadcasting in Venezuela at that time.
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Using the public airwaves to instigate a coup against the legitimate government is a crime throughout the world, and inflaming mobs and contributing to violence and panic, on the public airwaves, is not "protected speech."
Ever read DU? They need a GD: Revolution, forum
TV/radio is much more passive and insidious, appealing to the emotions, the senses and to subconscious processes, and is thus much more of a danger to the public good, if unscrupulous broadcasters try to stir up mob violence or other disorders, up to and including coup d'etats and wars, and also if they use the public airwaves to brainwash people in ways that enhance the corporation's power and riches.
Print media is interactive. You can agree or disagree. You can toss the paper away or use it for cat litterbox liner. You can unsubscribe to it. You can refuse to let it into your home and your life. TV/radio is NOT interactive--or only minimally so. You can switch channels or turn it off but it will always be turned back on. You don't have to think, to watch it. You can vegetate (and thus absorb its messages without thought). The medium itself is "the problem" in this respect. And it uses very subliminal techniques to get your attention (much harder to spot, make conscious and resist than print media propaganda techniques). TVs have become standard equipment in virtually every home in the world. That, and their multi-sensory impact, make TV (and to some extent radio) easy tools for brainwashing.
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But to my Jeffersonian-schooled mind...
Would this be the same Jefferson who counseled revolution every 20 years for the good fo the nation?
buckrogers1965 (354 posts) Thu Jul-21-11 03:16 PM
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9. Seems harsh.
Here in the USA you can accuse the president of being or doing just about anything and you are covered under the 1st amendment of the constitution. Don't like it, don't get yourself elected to a public office. Remember all the Clinton death list BS that went around? And I don't think there is ever jail time for libel or slander in America. It is purely a civil tort.
But other countries have different laws and when you live in those countries you need to abide by those laws. Don't like it? Change the laws, or move.
It's odd he recalls the Clinton era and none of the vitriol that accompanied Bush even prior to his inauguration.
rabs (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-21-11 04:41 PM
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10. Front page of today's El Universo's print edition
http://www.eluniverso.com/data/recursos/documentos/prin...
With Ayn Rand blurb at the bottom.
Might be worth the 50 cents it costs to keep as a souvenir or use in a bird cage.
The Ayn Rand quote only soldifies their guilt.
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