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Raven  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jul-20-11 07:55 AM
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This is so dangerous, so potentially destructive to this country that
 President Obama should invoke the 14th Amendment provision on the debt. The children in Congress can then get to work and solve our financial problems without the debt ceiling gun to their heads. He should do this for the good of the country and its full faith and credit.
 

That's what the tanks on flatbeds are for.

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Poll_Blind  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jul-20-11 07:56 AM
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1. The 14th Amendment way is INSANITY and will be used by every successive president, driving... 
 ...up the debt to even more astronomical levels. How can anyone say with a straight face, that it would not? Moreso, a move like this is NOT likely going to inspire confidence from our creditors. We print all the money we want and now...we raise our own credit limit without any sort of oversight?

Good lord.

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Atman  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jul-20-11 07:59 AM
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2. You're misguided.
 Other nations don't have artificial "debt ceilings." Ours was created during different times, for political reasons. It isn't necessary, or useful. Having to deal with this ridiculous charade is the cause of our current crisis, not the debt ceiling. Read up. Learn some history. This whole debt ceiling debate is a total manufactured farce.

THIS. IS. ACTIONABLE!!!!!

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Enrique  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jul-20-11 08:00 AM
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3. i've heard that other countries don't have a debt ceiling
 and that the debt ceiling has been kind of bogus from the start. This kind of thing is way over my head, but that's what I read.


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Enrique  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jul-20-11 08:07 AM
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8. if it's so dangerous
 then why did ALL the dems vote against raising it under Bush? Forgive me, and correct me, if that is incorrect, but I believe it is correct and I saw Durbin or some other lame **** sheepishly apologize for playing games.

I smell a total rat with this whole thing. I think they're still playing games. Every development, every statement, every news story i read, looks to me like more B.S. As Jon Stewart said, we've surpassed the bullshit ceiling.


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comtec  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jul-20-11 08:14 AM
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9. because they were trying to stop the war. NOW it's about saving the country
 also it was a gesture vote. they could not actually stop it from happening.
they could be on record for voting against funding the wars, but not actually endanger anyone.
also keep in mind that dems tend to fold like a house of wet cards.
thugs, ESPECIALLY tea-hadddists don't.
they're insane and continue their way balls to the walls, damn the consequences.

this is a far more serious situation...and honestly i hope the dems dont crack this time.
we need people to see what will happen if and when the gop gets their way.
we MUST destroy the thug party once and for all.

we'll always have the thug wing of the dems, but at least we'll have the majority... until a GOOD 3rd party comes along


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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2011, 12:41:32 PM »
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Raven  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jul-20-11 07:55 AM
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This is so dangerous, so potentially destructive to this country that
 President Obama should invoke the 14th Amendment provision on the debt. The children in Congress can then get to work and solve our financial problems without the debt ceiling gun to their heads. He should do this for the good of the country and its full faith and credit.

Stoooooopid scrunt. The debt ceiling is part and parcel of our financial problems. Your side had vast margins in congress for the first two years of Obama's term and didn't do a damn thing about the rapidly approaching debt ceiling because they were spending money to make us reach it.  Hell, they wouldn't even put forth a budget those years because they knew people didn't want all the spending they were doing.

Now sit back and STFU and let the grown-ups handle the mess that Dems have made.

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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2011, 01:26:10 PM »
This thread is all confused because nadin hasn't weighed in to tell them what to think.
I believe Raven's idea has something to do with the Profumo affair, the sinking of the Andrea Doria, and the Zimmermann Telegram, which led direrctly to the Sherman Antitrust Act, and triage milk. Please, nadin, for ****'s face, settle this before it becomes a tempest in a tea   pot.

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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2011, 01:41:44 PM »
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tea-hadddists

What's a tea-hadddist?
You may call me Jessica or Jess.

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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2011, 01:54:58 PM »
What's a tea-hadddist?

I had tea, but I lost it.  I'm a tea-haddist.

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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2011, 01:57:47 PM »
I had tea, but I lost it.  I'm a tea-haddist.

Or I had some tea earlier.. ??

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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 02:00:03 PM »
Probably a twist on the word "jihadist", hahahaha  ::)

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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2011, 02:01:32 PM »
She's probably still pissed off she isn't the town lawyer in Rindge.
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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 02:21:19 PM »
Debt Ceiling: That's when the take away man hooks up to your car and tows it off. The sheriff comes and puts your ass in the street. Your landlord takes all your junk furniture for back rent. You're left with just the clothes on your back....or to put it in terms DUmmies can understand, your drug dealer will let you live but he won't let you have any more drugs on credit.
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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2011, 02:42:10 PM »
Debt Ceiling: That's when the take away man hooks up to your car and tows it off. The sheriff comes and puts your ass in the street. Your landlord takes all your junk furniture for back rent. You're left with just the clothes on your back....or to put it in terms DUmmies can understand, your drug dealer will let you live but he won't let you have any more drugs on credit.

If you go with the mad spelling skillz of writers like Nadinski, "Debt ceiling" could mean the point where the debtor signs a promissory note.
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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2011, 02:49:17 PM »
Sheeesh....this got entered before I had my say.

Got this in an email....my thoughts...I don't want to give the ass in the white mosque 2.5 trillion more to piss away...y'all discuss.


A good analysis of the current debt situation with action options at the end.

Contact congress.  Tell them it is time to stand up on spending.

 

2.  Scare Tactics by the President?!?
Don't let the Left scare you into thinking the world is going to end if the Debt Ceiling isn't raised by Aug.


FreedomWorks sent out this explanation:

Seven Reasons Why August 2 Isn’t the End of the World    

(Click  HERE  for 5 min. video)  

 

Monday, July 18th at 8:30PM EDT

 

Washington is currently borrowing about 43 cents out of every dollar it spends, and is close to maxing out its credit limit.

Current law says Uncle Sam cannot borrow more than $14.3 trillion. A few months back, the Obama Administration demanded that Congress increase the national credit line by $2.5 trillion by May 16, or else, it warned, the United States would default on its debts, causing an “economic Armageddon.”  ($2.5 trillion is just enough to aver the need for another debt hike until after the 2012 election.)

 

When May 16 came and went, and nothing happened, the Obama team set a new “Armageddon” date: August 2.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of folks in Washington and Wall Street – including some who should know better — seem to be taking this new deadline at face value.  While it’s true that, at some point, the government will hit the ceiling and have to reduce spending by about 40 percent, exactly when that day will arrive, nobody knows for sure.  And don’t believe anyone who tells you he does know.  â€œNo man knows the day or the hour.”

Maxed Out Day could be August 2. It could be August 22.  Or it could be in September.   The exact date really depends on whether the President is willing to tap certain reserves available to him, or decides to force a political crisis.

 

I cannot tell you when Maxed Out Day will be.  But I can – and will — prove to you that August 2 doesn’t have to be it. Before I do so, here are three key numbers to remember:

 

1) We are projected to take in between $170 billion and $200 billion in August, in revenues.

2) We will likely spend about $300 billion in August.

3) Therefore, we face a gap of somewhere between $100 billion and $130 billion.

So what will happen, come the August 2 deadline?

 

The U.S. will still be able to pay its creditors (i.e., it won’t default).  There’s no reason why the government needs to stop paying its creditors.  Ever.  Debt service payments (interest on the national debt) will only cost $30 billion in August.  As I’ve noted, we will take in $170-200 billion.
Social Security checks will still go out. On July 12, President Obama suggested that, come August 2, he might not be able to send out the 50 million Social Security checks slated to go out in August. But since those checks only cost $50 billion, compared to $170-200 billion coming in, there will obviously be sufficient funds to mail them.
Medicare and Medicaid payments will go out as usual. Experts predict we’ll owe about $50 billion to doctors and hospitals. Well, with $170-200 billion coming in, granny will get her health care, just like always.
Veterans and active-duty military personnel will get paid. Paying our veterans will cost about $3 billion.  Ditto our soldiers in uniform.  That $6 billion is chump change by DC standards.
 

So that’s a total bill of $136 billion, easily covered by the $170-200 billion we’ll take in.  Of course, we won’t be able to afford everything the government currently spends on.  The Departments of HUD, Transportation, Commerce, Energy, and Education, for example, may have to take a pause while Congress works out a deal with the President.  But is that really “the end of the world”?

Earlier, I mentioned the reserve funds the President can tap.  As the Senate Finance Committee Republican staff helpfully point out:

 

5.    The Treasury Department has $5 billion sitting idle in an account at the Federal Reserve. It can tap this account any time.

 

6. Treasury has close to $100 billion in mortgage-backed securities it can sell.  It bought these securities during the financial crisis to bail out housing markets.  Just last month, it sold $10.6 billion worth.

Finally, there’s a seventh reason why August 2 needn’t be anything more than another pleasant summer day in America.

 

7. Congress can pass the Cut Cap Balance Act (H.R.2560). This bill would give President Obama his $2.5 trillion debt increase — in exchange for three things: 1) $111 billion in cuts this coming year, 2) tight spending caps for the coming decade, and 3) congressional approval of a strong Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution.  By strong, I mean one that makes it much harder for Congress to spend more than a fixed share of the economy, raise taxes, or add to the debt.

The Cut Cap Balance Act – which the House is slated to vote on today — would make this the last debt ceiling hike, ever.  Unfortunately, President Obama has threatened to veto it.  If he does, whose fault will it be when Maxed Out Day really does arrive?

Dean Clancy is FreedomWorks'  Legislative Counsel and Vice President, Health Care Policy.

Brendan Steinhauser

Director, Federal and State Campaigns

FreedomWorks

 

 

FreedomWorks will make the call to your Congressmen and Senators for you!  
Go to this link:  http://action.freedomworks.org/    

 

Choose Cut Cap and Balance

 

Also, you may want to tell Senator McConnell to support cut cap and balance.

 

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Re: Will's Mom speaks: Obama goes all 14th Amendment on our asses
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2011, 03:21:06 PM »
She's probably still pissed off she isn't the town lawyer in Rindge.
Yeah, they fired her ass. I sure hope it had nothing to do with the vile stuff she posted at the DUmp about
her fellow Rindgians. I hope no one e-mailed her posts to anyone. That would be embarrassing, and the
culprit would be at risk of being fed to Pitt's cat. At any rate, her former flunkie is now the
"acting planning director" in the little socialist enclave where everyone apparently works for the city.

It was funny that just after we learned of her firing, she posted at the DUmp about a meeting with her financial advisor.
There was no point to the post at all, except to assure everyone that, even though unemployed, she still has lots of money.
It was so stupid and transparent, it reminded me of Pam Dawson.