poll: have the primitives changed their behavior the past few months?

[franksolich]

It's miserable and hot and muggy today--at 8:00 p.m. central time, 7:00 p.m. mountain time, it was still 99 degrees out here in the Sandhills of Nebraska, and the inside of the unair-conditioned house isn't any cooler.

Because the weather's been emasculating any energy about hauling out the boat and rowing over to Skins's island to observe the primitives, I've been culling through old threads here, and came across this:

"observing the primitives, part two"

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,58826.0.html

I have no recollection of what "part one" discussed.

It's been a concern of mine, that ever since the primitives have known they're being observed by decent and civilized people, that they've altered their natural primitive behavior, instead putting on a show so as to please us.  Which destroys the authenticity of anthropological science.

After which franksolich himself pulled back, desisting from posting topics, hoping the primitives would forget he was watching them.

After all,

Well, you know how the primitives are always alleging that decent and civilized people "don't count."

If we don't count, what do the primitives care about what we think?

It's been a while since I first expressed my concerns and embarked upon being invisible to the primitives, and so now I'm wondering--does it seem to anybody here that the primitives have reverted back to form, their natural primitivity?

[Delmar]

One thing I've noticed is some DUmmies using Tio Tomas, the spanish equivalent of Uncle Tom in threads about Clarence Thomas.  But was this done to foil advanced google searches for racial epithets on the Island or can it be dismissed as DUmmie pretentiousness--showing off foreign language skills or maybe they don't think it sounds as racist when it's expressed in spanish.  I don't know offhand if this happened in the last few months, but I'm going to vote that they have changed their behavior--edited to add: for the better.  

[Tucker]

yes, it's gotten worse

They were always mean but now they're bordering on outright sadism.

[Duke Nukum]

One thing I've noticed is some DUmmies using Tio Tomas, the spanish equivalent of Uncle Tom in threads about Clarence Thomas.  But was this done to foil advanced google searches for racial epithets on the Island or can it be dismissed as DUmmie pretentiousness--showing off foreign language skills or maybe they don't think it sounds as racist when it's expressed in spanish.  I don't know offhand if this happened in the last few months, but I'm going to vote that they have changed their behavior--edited to add: for the better.  

I never heard of this phrase so I just tried googling it to see if the Island was among the first ten returns.  As it turns out, this is what people of Spanish-speaking heritage call, especially Mexican, call conservative members of this ethnic group.

For example Senator Marco Rubio: Tio Tomas or Free Thinker?

[DefiantSix]

...It's been a concern of mine, that ever since the primitives have known they're being observed by decent and civilized people, that they've altered their natural primitive behavior, instead putting on a show so as to please us.  Which destroys the authenticity of anthropological science...

You've nothing to worry about, sir.  As the old saw says: "It is easier for the civilized human being to pretend to be a barbarian when necessary, than it is for the barbarian to pretend to be civilized."

If the primitives even got it in their wee li'l heads to try skewing the results and observations of your anthropological studies, they couldn't hold the idea in their heads long enough to do any real damage.  It wouldn't take much, nor would it take long before the next "outrage" on faux news, the next shiney ass ring on their butt buddy, or the next bowl of pot in the bong completely distracted them from whatever it was they were trying to accomplish in the first place.

[JakeStyle]

I voted no, it's still the same.  I see the same hive mentality and the same misinformed, phony outrage that the DUmmies have always expressed.  As a whole they are the most hateful group of vermin that I have come across on the internet.  I can't wait for the 2012 primaries, I think they are going to come completely unhinged.

[Tucker]

I voted no, it's still the same.  I see the same hive mentality and the same misinformed, phony outrage that the DUmmies have always expressed.  As a whole they are the most hateful group of vermin that I have come across on the internet.  I can't wait for the 2012 primaries, I think they are going to come completely unhinged.

I don't know. They seemed happier when Bush was in office. It's been a crying jag for three years now.

[thundley4]

I don't know. They seemed happier when Bush was in office. It's been a crying jag for three years now.

They were happier under President Bush because they could blame him for their shared misery.  Now if they blame Obama, they get TS'ed.

[GOBUCKS]

I voted worse. A lot of the most entertaining numbskulls have disappeared, their places taken by boring DUmbasses like the catbox squatter.

Some DUmmies who could be funny are wasted, because the DUmp's mandatory worship for the jug-eared Kenyan causes them to
be cautious. They're reduced to a lot of boring sputtering about Koch, Murdoch, and a host of obscure politicians and TV characters.

During the Great Bush Prosperity, their hatred for Dubya, Cheney, Karl Rove, and America was unbridled. It gave them a common purpose and a drive to outdo one another in describing their convulsive hatred for everything repukes love and believe. Their bouncy tales were constant and hilarious. Now we have none of that.

I had high hopes for the dick inspector, nutcase nadin, and even poor, stupid Beth. They had all introduced promising new storylines, but they're all letting me down as 2H11 begins.

[Mr Mannn]

I voted worse.
I'm getting the feel for more and more threads advocating violence. Even though the mods remove the worst, threats are being made more and more often.

[FreeBorn]

I voted Yes, it's gotten worse.

They do seem to be degenerating a bit, the flair of condescension they rode coming off the arrival of Mr. Skittles in the White House seems to have evaporated. Replaced now by the undeniable and unsettling realization that he is headed toward building houses with Habitat For Humanity and not another term. Their spirit just isn't there anymore.

But hey, it isn't all that bad is it, DUmmies? I mean, after all you are human (I'll give you that much) and you as a tribe have evolved to the point where you have discovered the wonderments of the modern disposable butane lighter. Now you don't have to chase lightning strikes anymore, hoping to find fire upon which to roast your Tofu. At least you've got that.

Oh, and I gave Delmar a bump for his astute observation. 

[Skul]

Yes, it's gotten worse.
Their inane screeching has become louder and far more vulgar.
The only other thing that I have noticed, is the drop in quantity and quality bouncys.

[franksolich]

You've nothing to worry about, sir.  As the old saw says: "It is easier for the civilized human being to pretend to be a barbarian when necessary, than it is for the barbarian to pretend to be civilized."

Hmmm.

How true.

It would be an interesting comparison--but alas not available at the moment, because franksolich is still alive on Skins's island, flourishing and prospering--between the primitive postings by Pedro Picasso, the "Atman" primitive, at our old home (as "TexasToast") some years ago, and the postings by franksolich's alter ego on Skins's island.

The difference between night and day, when it comes to acting.

It is in fact easier for a decent and civilized person to play the part of a savage, than it is for a savage to play the part of a decent and civilized person.

I hadn't thought about it until you mentioned it, sir, and so I thank you.

[BlueStateSaint]

I voted worse.
I'm getting the feel for more and more threads advocating violence. Even though the mods remove the worst, threats are being made more and more often.

I voted "Yes, worse" for this very reason.

[GOBUCKS]

I voted worse.
I'm getting the feel for more and more threads advocating violence. Even though the mods remove the worst, threats are being made more and more often.

Everyone sees things differently. I really love the threads advocating violence. The DUmmies are so juvenile and stupid when they sputter out their threats against normal people. They are so utterly, absolutely powerless, it's really a beautiful thing to watch.

My favorite, funniest series of threads of all time were the ones shortly after the freepers finally killed the redheaded queer. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining when I say "finally". At the time, I was just hoping it would drag out for a few more months.)

DUmmy Pitt's vow to stomp the killers to death and feed them to his cat...DUmmy goodboy's foulmouthed promise to head for Nebraska with a baseball bat...you just don't get loony entertainment like that anymore.

When they start threatening to kill us, nadinesque blood running in the streets, American Civil War II, those are the best of times for a DUmp watcher. Unfortunately, today we have almost zero DUmmies who are articulate enough to post a really funny threat. 

[Karin]

he is headed toward building houses with Habitat For Humanity

  Obama can't do construction; that's real man's work.  I suppose he could hang some curtains.

I voted yes, worse, behaviorally.  They are getting bloodthirsty violent in post form.  In real life, they'd run away of course. 

I wonder why the quality of bouncies has deteriorated.  Could it be that it doesn't seem quite as plausible these days, to get a conservative-to-moonbat conversion in a grocery line anymore?  I'm craving a good Rsmith tall tale; wish he'd get busy.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

It's been a concern of mine, that ever since the primitives have known they're being observed by decent and civilized people, that they've altered their natural primitive behavior, instead putting on a show so as to please us.  Which destroys the authenticity of anthropological science.

It's the anthropoligical version of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, nadin could fill you in, I'm sure.

However, I had to go with 'Not sure' (A good application of old Werner's conundrum, really) since with their frequent tombstoning  and short moderator rotations, it's not really possilbe to establish a solid baseline for measuring change over time.

[franksolich]

It's the anthropological version of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, nadin could fill you in, I'm sure.

However, I had to go with 'Not sure' (A good application of old Werner's conundrum, really) since with their frequent tombstoning  and short moderator rotations, it's not really possible to establish a solid baseline for measuring change over time.

Uh huh.

In quantum mechanics, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle states precise inequalities that constrain certain pairs of physical properties, such as measuring the present position while determining future momentum; both cannot be simultaneously done to arbitrarily high precision. That is, the more precisely one property is measured, the less precisely the other can be controlled or determined. One may, at least, be able to identify the average momentum and position of particles using weak measurements. Furthermore, it is possible to imagine a hypothetical apparatus that measures the history of a particular particle's successive positions and momentums while also measuring times and energies to arbitrary accuracies.

[GOBUCKS]

Uh huh.

The google servers are available. Nadin must be napping.

[franksolich]

The google servers are available. Nadin must be napping.

Well now, I do understand that.

When one's trying to measure something, since "something" has so many other characteristics and variables that aren't being equally measured, then it's futile; the results are distorted.

[Wineslob]

Voted yes/worse, but that's not a bad thing.   

[DumbAss Tanker]

Well now, I do understand that.

When one's trying to measure something, since "something" has so many other characteristics and variables that aren't being equally measured, then it's futile; the results are distorted.

Well, in shorter and broader terms, Heisenberg's Principle is generally taken to mean that the act of observation itself creates a disturbance of the thing being observed.

[longview]

Interesting.  I had to vote 'changed and for the worse.'

I've noticed heavier moderation yet a stronger undercurrent of desperation to the posts that are brought over.  Even rowed over there myself twice in the past week to view other threads.  In case I wasn't seeing a broad enough sample.  This, after recently saying I no longer visited the island.  I thought perhaps that was a mistake and needed to take a look for myself.

Definitely more disatisfaction and more threats of violence by the primitives as a group.  But I think it is a true representation of them, not an act.

[Delmar]

I voted that it has changed for the better.  Since it's looking like I'm the only one to vote that way I feel obligated to give a reason why.  Last night when the poll went up I thought about it and I had a vague memory of a post where some of the DUmmies had been behaving somewhat admirably.  In time it came to me:  The thread about Michelle Bachman and her husband being foster parents.  The vast majority of the DUmmies were acting just like you'd expect, saying things like the Bachmans were doing it for the money or that they were probably sexually exploiting the foster children, typical DUmmie smears.  But a few courageous DUmmies were speaking truth to power--urging the horde to stop with the ugly smears, shaming, making it known that such ugliness reflects badly on DU.  And not only did the truth to power speakers comport themselves well, I sensed an incremental improvement in the whole of DUmmie discourse.  There was no lashing out at the voices of moderation by the horde, no accusations of trolling, no "welcome to DU" observation of low post count, not even a "thanks for your concern."  Maybe they were just being ignored but I felt that those reasonable DUmmies were acting as the rising tide that lifts all the boats(Lurking DUmmies:  the wisdom of Ronald Reagan offers hope even to the wretched denizens of democrat_icunderground).

However, I realize that this could have been just an ephemeral snapshot in time--reliable poll data from CC suggests thus.     

[FreeBorn]

Nah, that was moles.