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Offline CC27

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What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« on: July 16, 2011, 09:28:04 AM »
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What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
   
resource-based economy:

1.) Food, shelter and clothing is a right.
2.) Natural resources are cataloged and managed by computers intelligently.
3.) Forbidden to steal natural resources and exploit it for profit.
4.) Scientists can focus on solving real problems such as cancer and have full support and freedom to publish findings. No patent system or corporation to restrict them.
5.) A science based methodology to society. (Use what works and discard what doesn't)
6.) Elimination of poverty.
7.) Elimination of war.
8.) Elimination of debt.
9.) Freedom to travel anywhere in the world without money.
10.) Freedom to spend your time however you want.
11.) Technological progress on a level never seen before.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDKTRgoSS8


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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2011, 11:33:55 AM »
What economy...nobody will be working...just traveling all over the world and hanging out. :mental:
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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2011, 11:44:17 AM »
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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2011, 03:58:07 PM »
never has worked, never will work.  Dear DUmbass, look up something called the normal distribution or normal distribution.  Then get back to me.
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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2011, 06:49:22 PM »
Why would they nuke that thread? Everything in it is a DUmmie's wet dream. Everything for free.
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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2011, 07:48:00 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on July 16, 2011, 06:49:22 PM
Why would they nuke that thread? Everything in it is a DUmmie's wet dream. Everything for free.

Damn, he blowed up REAL GOOD!     :killemall:
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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2011, 07:52:56 PM »
Did anyone watch the video?
I couldn't help, but notice that 0bama's latest talking point about how atm machines cause unemployment was spewed.
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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2011, 08:37:06 PM »
Quote from: diesel driver on July 16, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2011, 09:22:51 PM »
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11.) Technological progress on a level never seen before.

Not under Socialism. Nope, no way, never happen. Everyone will move down to same level of mediocrity and we'll just be stuck there.

Oh, there may be a few hardy souls who work and sweat and invent solely for altruistic reasons, but under the forced sameness of Socialism the vast majority of people will do the minimum required to get by and that will be it. It is Capitalism and the promise of financial reward that sparked the innovation that has moved this country so far and so fast into the future and created the standard of living we now enjoy. If Capitalism dies so, for the most part, will progress.

Even your god Marx understood that.

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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2011, 09:35:47 PM »
Quote from: dandi on July 16, 2011, 09:22:51 PM
Not under Socialism. Nope, no way, never happen. Everyone will move down to same level of mediocrity and we'll just be stuck there.

Oh, there may be a few hardy souls who work and sweat and invent solely for altruistic reasons, but under the forced sameness of Socialism the vast majority of people will do the minimum required to get by and that will be it. It is Capitalism and the promise of financial reward that sparked the innovation that has moved this country so far and so fast into the future and created the standard of living we now enjoy. If Capitalism dies so, for the most part, will progress.

Even your god Marx understood that.



Also the people who are braking a sweat and working are not going to want to just share the fruits of their labor with everyone and not get anything in return. In fact farmers will more than likely plant and harvest just enough to feed them and their families, instead of working harder to feed a bunch of freeloaders.

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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2011, 11:19:14 PM »
Quote from: CC27 on July 16, 2011, 09:28:04 AM
Mole trap.  :fuelfire:

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It certainly is if anyone responds to it intelligently (I know, DU, fat chance on that...).  This was essentially the dream of the Technocrats and Futurists of the 30's which gave us such wonders as the British Labour party of that era and National Health a bit later, and facets of National Socialism like the workers' holidays of the 'Strength through Joy' program in Germany...benefits wrapped in smothering societies that had to totally control their populace to 'Enable them to give out the benefits more efficiently.'  It's the sort of society one sees in the 1936 classic 'The Shape of Things to Come,' with the endstate of a Socialist Utopia ruled by a class of master technicians.

Without the erasure of national boundaries and cultures, it cannot conceivably deliver on #7 since purely rational resource decisions will eventually lead to one country's Technocrats deciding it is more in their interest to engage in war with a rival than not, for causes that might not even seem rational to us.

Nor is there any reason to believe it could possibly deliver on #11.  War (Or preparedness for it) and entrepreneurial impulses have been the clear spurs to the lion's share of technological progress from the Renaissance until now, not central planning with resource allocations for technology R&D being weighed against the effect of possibly diminishing the level of popular benefits for the masses.  I daresay the clearly-foreseeable result of the proposed system would be to induce a technological hiatus that would make the current state of Islamic scientific endeavor (Frozen for some 600 years now) or 19th-Century Imperial China's (Essentially unchanged for well over a millennium before its slumber was disturbed by the Europeans) look astoundingly-advanced by comparison.   
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Re: What does DU think about the resource-based economy?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2011, 11:36:54 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on July 16, 2011, 11:19:14 PM
It certainly is if anyone responds to it intelligently (I know, DU, fat chance on that...).  This was essentially the dream of the Technocrats and Futurists of the 30's which gave us such wonders as the British Labour party of that era and National Health a bit later, and facets of National Socialism like the workers' holidays of the 'Strength through Joy' program in Germany...benefits wrapped in smothering societies that had to totally control their populace to 'Enable them to give out the benefits more efficiently.'  It's the sort of society one sees in the 1936 classic 'The Shape of Things to Come,' with the endstate of a Socialist Utopia ruled by a class of master technicians.

Without the erasure of national boundaries and cultures, it cannot conceivably deliver on #7 since purely rational resource decisions will eventually lead to one country's Technocrats deciding it is more in their interest to engage in war with a rival than not, for causes that might not even seem rational to us.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Nor is there any reason to believe it could possibly deliver on #11.  War (Or preparedness for it) and entrepreneurial impulses have been the clear spurs to the lion's share of technological progress from the Renaissance until now, not central planning with resource allocations for technology R&D being weighed against the effect of possibly diminishing the level of popular benefits for the masses.  I daresay the clearly-foreseeable result of the proposed system would be to induce a technological hiatus that would make the current state of Islamic scientific endeavor (Frozen for some 600 years now) or 19th-Century Imperial China's (Essentially unchanged for well over a millennium before its slumber was disturbed by the Europeans) look astoundingly-advanced by comparison.   
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