Hartmann just announced that Dayton caved completely

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Jul-14-11 03:57 PM
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Hartmann just announced that Dayton caved completely
   
It's a 3-hr delayed broadcast, but Thom just read something from Fox Twin Cities that said that Dayton gave away everything to end the shutdown.

The end is near folks, we are going to have to start really fighting back, or learn to live in a 3rd world country.

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I love it! The repukes stuck to their guns and the democrat caved. I hope the GOP in DC is watching this, and seeing how yes we can win this.

MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Jul-14-11 03:59 PM
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1. From what I heard on the news, he agreed to a budget with no increased tax revenue
   
So essentially Minnesota is going to be cutting to the bone.

Hopefully that isn't a harbinger of things to come on the Fed level.
   

Hopefully it is harbinger of things to come on the Fed level.

MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Jul-14-11 04:14 PM
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9. Yes. We must reverse the disaster that was 2010, both   Updated at 9:35 AM
   
in our states and in the federal government. We ****ed up big time. Most of the seats lost to Republicans in 2010 were lost by very narrow margins. Those losses are directly attributable to lower voter turnout. In districts where turnout was good, Democrats held their seats. In districts with low turnout, they lost. It is that simple.

In my district (and my precinct), we had a 60% turnout in 2010. We elected every Democrat on the ballot with a 60% margin. It is simply a matter of numbers. We blew it in 2010. We must not do that in 2012.

2010 may yet be what saved this country.
Do you DUmmies really believe for a second that we can keep spending like crazy? At some point even if we tax the rich at 100% there will be no more money.

Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Jul-14-11 04:07 PM
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7. Which is not going to change until we take a few hundred of their
   
propaganda outlets off the air, using whatever means necessary.

So a ban on conservative speech is what you want?
And we are the fascists. 

MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Jul-14-11 04:11 PM
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8. Here's the deal: Republicans gained control of both houses of   Updated at 9:35 AM
   
the legislature in 2010. Since, as with the federal government, all budget bills come from the legislature, the framing is absolutely going to be done by Republicans. many Democrats made a huge mistake in 2010 by sitting on their hands to punish President Obama. Had it not been for a third party candidate for Governor, Governor Dayton would have lost as well.

The Governor cannot frame a budget. All he can do is veto one. He did that. There is now an impasse. This sort of thing happens when different parties control the executive and legislative branches of government.

I can only hope that we learn from the 2010 election and reverse this whole mess in 2012. We ****ed up royally in many parts of the state. Minneapolis and St. Paul did OK, and elected Democrats. Other districts lost their Democratic seats by very, very small margins. It is a lesson we should all be paying very close attention to right now. This is what happens. We can fix it next year. I hope we do.
   

Yeah hopefully you can get a bunch of dems back in and create even more debt, great plan.

[franksolich]

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) 
Thu Jul-14-11 03:57 PM
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The end is near folks, we are going to have to start really fighting back, or learn to live in a 3rd world country.

Those moonbats in Minnesota need to step up their game.  Bigger pots and pans!  More permanent Sharpies!

[DefiantSix]

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...are like sweet, sweet wine.

[dandi]

Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts)     Thu Jul-14-11 04:07 PM
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7. Which is not going to change until we take a few hundred of their
   
propaganda outlets off the air, using whatever means necessary.

Careful what you wish for, DUmbass.  That blood you are dreaming of tasting will most likely end up being your own.

Think, DUmbass...

[dandi]

Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Jul-14-11 03:57 PM
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Hartmann just announced that Dayton caved completely
   
It's a 3-hr delayed broadcast, but Thom just read something from Fox Twin Cities that said that Dayton gave away everything to end the shutdown.

Boy, it's been a bad couple of weeks for the DUmmies.   

[Happy Fun Ball]

[DumbAss Tanker]

I heard this morning that Miller was going to pull its beer everywhere in the state because the shutdown had prevented them from renewing some critical business papers (Trademark?  But that's actually Federal.  Oh well, you get the idea).  A beer shortage would have a telling effect on the electorate.

 

[jukin]

The facts, they a biatch for a DUchebag.

The republican budget was increased 6%. That is well above the federal inflation rate (Tied to SS COLAs).

The donk governor wanted a 24% increase and to do that would require $2 billion in new taxes. Those new taxes would never bring in that income and the state would be stuck with a regressive structural deficit.

The longer this went on the more the people of Minnesota noticed that the state is not only not needed but that it ****s with their lives daily.

The donk guv tried to play class warfare and only pissed people off and demonstrated that we have far too much government.

All in all another great example of common sense beating moonbattery.

[diesel driver]

I also heard that the Republican NC legislature overrode the Dim governor's budget veto.

It's getting harder and harder to be a DUmmie.   

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

There's whistling-past-the-graveyard then there's sticking-your-fingers-in-your-ears-and-giving-forth-a-full-throated-scream-of-denial:

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-14-11 04:11 PM
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8. Here's the deal: Republicans gained control of both houses of 
 the legislature in 2010. Since, as with the federal government, all budget bills come from the legislature, the framing is absolutely going to be done by Republicans. many Democrats made a huge mistake in 2010 by sitting on their hands to punish President Obama. Had it not been for a third party candidate for Governor, Governor Dayton would have lost as well.

The Governor cannot frame a budget. All he can do is veto one. He did that. There is now an impasse. This sort of thing happens when different parties control the executive and legislative branches of government.

I can only hope that we learn from the 2010 election and reverse this whole mess in 2012. We ****ed up royally in many parts of the state. Minneapolis and St. Paul did OK, and elected Democrats. Other districts lost their Democratic seats by very, very small margins. It is a lesson we should all be paying very close attention to right now. This is what happens. We can fix it next year. I hope we do.

KharmaTrain  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-14-11 04:41 PM
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16. Well Stated...Elections Have Consequences...
 Imagine if the roles were changed...Democratic majorities in both houses and a rushpublican governor attempting to hold out, the howls around here would be deafening. Damned thing about a representative democracy...when your team doesn't win it's either cause of fraudulent voting machines or media propaganda...never about sitting on one's hands or fielding poor candidates.

Hopefuly the fine folks in Minnesota will turn out the teabaggers next year. In the meantime I wish Governor Dayton the best...I'm sorry he had to stand down.

KharmaTrain  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-14-11 05:38 PM
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22. It's The Quiet Force Of 2012...
 I'm very hopeful for you and many others who are stuck in states where voter apathy (especially Democrats) led to the teabagger waves to turn your state legislatures into a subsidiary of Koch Industries. The over-reach is pissing a lot of people off and happening in states that will be critical for President Obama's re-election next year. While people might not be happy with how this administration has handled some of the big ticket issues, the state elections will be as important, if not more...and that's where Democrats need to show and show big. Unfortunately it's taken the cutting of services and busting of unions to wake some people up, but now to keep them awake and active.

Cheers...

 

elocs (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-14-11 05:12 PM
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19. Elections do have consequences as does choosing not to vote.
 As MineralMan stated in post #9, low voter turnout was a problem as it was here in Wisconsin. In our 2010 election Walker got 90% of the vote total that McCain got in the presidential election and that's not too shabby. Barrett only received 60% of the vote that went to Obama in 2008.

Oh that we had a Democratic governor to put the brakes on the Republican legislature, but I hate that Dayton gave in because it will be seen as a victory for the Republicans all across the nation. It gives them inspiration and we sure didn't need for that to happen.

KharmaTrain  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-14-11 05:33 PM
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21. It Looks Like He Had Few Options...
 Thank goodness for Governor Dayton, but he was going against a strong tide here and was apparently taking a major political hit. One hopes that Democrats in Minnesota who stayed home last year are now ready to take back their state from the Kochroaches...and the same goes for Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin.

I'm very familiar with the Wisconsin situation as I was in north suburban Milwaukee last April helping to get petitions signed to recall Alberta Darling. I've been donating to the Act Blue fund for all the recall candidates and am in contact with some friends about helping get people to the polls on election day. I'm glad to see how energized folks are in Wisconsin and I feel confident that the Democrats will win the 3 seats needed to put the breaks on Walker...but it'll still take a recall next year with big Democratic victories in 2012 to really fix the damage. That's a lot of work and I see many dedicated people out to make it happen. It's sad that it took this type of situation...just like in Minnesota...for people to wake up.

The rushpublican overstepping on the state level will be a quiet but major factor in next year's elections. The teabaggers are trying to do as much damage as they can while they can as their puppetmasters know this game has played out.

Cheers...

Apparently the only reason the TEA Party previaled is because democrats allowed them to do so which is just another way of pouting, "I could so totally kick your ass anytime I wanted to! The sun was just in my eyes!!!"

Of course if there is a restless throng of liberals awaiting to surge forth in a great spasm of wise and proud governance one wonders why Dayton caved.

Me thinks it's because no budget = no government checks = no dues paid to government employee unions = no Tammany shenanigans

[DumbAss Tanker]

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-14-11 04:11 PM
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8. Here's the deal: Republicans gained control of both houses of 
 the legislature in 2010. Since, as with the federal government, all budget bills come from the legislature, the framing is absolutely going to be done by Republicans. many Democrats made a huge mistake in 2010 by sitting on their hands to punish President Obama. Had it not been for a third party candidate for Governor, Governor Dayton would have lost as well.

The Governor cannot frame a budget. All he can do is veto one. He did that. There is now an impasse. This sort of thing happens when different parties control the executive and legislative branches of government.

I can only hope that we learn from the 2010 election and reverse this whole mess in 2012.

Well, I too hope that wish comes true, but not in the way you probably meant it. 

Mineralman seems to be working on the William Rivers Pitt Award for Writing, what with his unintended ambiguity here.

[thelaughingman]

Did you guys hear about the real reason Dayton caved?  It turns out that the Miller Beer company submitted licensing paperwork for selling beer in the state, but it didn't get processed before the shutdown.  They were ordered to immediately remove all products from store shelves until the shutdown ended and their paperwork went through.

(I'm only kidding about the "real reason" part.)

[Chris_]

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