Here's a thought for you DUmmies, even if the repigs caved on tax increases, they would not take effect until 2013. So if 0bama were to say "Ok,No new taxes now" and agree to the terms to raise the debt ceiling, all 0bama would have to do is run on raising taxes in 2012, and since you goons think the majority of the people want that, he and the dems will win in a landslide, right? After the dems take all 3 houses by storm in 2013, they can raise taxes to their heart's desire. So either way in 2013 taxes will be raised, so wouldn't it be smart for 0bama to cave for now?