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NY Archbishop Warns: 'Next Step Will Be Another Redefinition to Justify Multiple Partners and Infidelity'
Sunday, July 10, 2011
By Terence P. Jeffrey

(CNSNews.com) - Roman Catholic Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York warned in a posting on his blog on Thursday that the next step that politicians will take after legalizing same-sex marriage--which New York did last month through a statute enacted by the state legislature and signed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo--may be an effort to redefine marriage to justify "multiple partners" and adultery.

"And now we ring the steeple bell again at this latest dilution of the authentic understanding of marriage, worried that the next step will be another redefinition to justify multiple partners and infidelity," wrote Archbishop Dolan. "If you think I’m exaggerating, within days of the passage of this bill, one major newspaper ran a flattering profile of a proponent of what was called 'nonmonogamy.' Apparently, 'nonmonogamy' is the idea that society is unrealistic to think that one man and one woman should remain faithful in marriage, and that openness to some infidelity should be the norm!"

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In all honesty, there is more justification for polygamy in the Bible than there is for homosexuality.

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In all honesty, there is more justification for polygamy in the Bible than there is for homosexuality.

I am many things, but I am not a Bible scholar.
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In all honesty, there is more justification for polygamy in the Bible than there is for homosexuality.

Celtic, there is no justification in the bible for pologamy, this was the status quo.   Got to remember that at that time thousands of years ago the existence of the people depended on the number of children they had.

One lone wife could bare perhaps 7-8 kids before she died, some would live some die., being worn out from constant pregnancy at the ripe old age of 22. 

However 3-6 wives gave better odds to the survival of the family, child deaths were huge, family's were lucky to have 3 out of 10 survive to the age to breed themselves.  Females once they began to menstruate were married off as soon as possible and it was a lucky family to see 2-3 grandchildren in their lives.

Homosexuality was a curse on their family, all those years of labor to raise a son that would not produce children, bring in new blood to the family to keep the family lines strong.

Woman that could not become pregnant soon became servants to the husbands new pregnant wife.--------Love had nothing to do with survival, children killed their fathers and fathers kill their children.

This was in no way a LOVE story, Lust and the future of the tribe were at the top of the list.

God told the people back then to spread their seed on earth, this mankind did.   Those that were homosexual were to their thinking going against the word of GOD.

In today's world in America we not only look down on Polygamous sects but arrest and take away their children.  We scorn them, and cause them great pain.   

Not surprising when we arrest American tribes that use plants in their worship forgettin that the Catholic Church was allowed to use wine for communion during probation.

Complicated world, now we have a age old belief coming here that practices multi-wives but  is a threat to us as how the woman are treated.   

Celtic this is a clash of cultures some as old as time, not much you or I can do but hide and watch history as it unfolds.

Big questions for us in the near future perhaps next week, what to do with the cultures that come here and circumcise their little girls  at age 3 with a piece of broken glass???

How to arrest these immigrants who do not speak English or even know to use a toilet??

Maine has that problem with a Church on good faith brought in hundreds of Ethiopians that had no idea they could not set a fire in the living room and grill a goat without burning down the whole place.   

Drives me nuts what we are doing to people that are welcome to come to America and do so with no knowledge of how they must live.


Reverse this to hundreds of Americans set down in the Amazon Jungle, no idea of the language, life style or how to survive.   
 

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In all honesty, there is more justification for polygamy in the Bible than there is for homosexuality.

Exactly.  If gender is no barrier, what is?
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Exactly.  If gender is no barrier, what is?

So reverse this Mr. Tanker, say polygamy went the other way, woman with multi-husbands. 

Who would be the father, the woman could churn out a baby every 12 months but where is the bonding of the boys to their fathers???   This just will not work.

Daughters born and hit breeding age would be a big problem, could she mate with one of mothers husbands and know for sure he is not her father??

This kind of living will and can kill off the advance of humanity. 

Nope much better the husband have a few  wives, ------

American Indians had a cure for this, each child born to a tribe had a tattoo to denote the clan.   As the Indians wandered about America they knew what clan they came from and who was related. When a male and female with the same tattoo met, they knew the other was off limits to them.

I never understood this as a dating teenager when my mom would not allow me to date until she knew the mothers maiden name.  She really embarrassed me by grilling any boy that came to the house on his family names etc.

Small town with lots of relatives by birth and totally unknown to the far flung family.

Mom had a shit fit as did my grandparents when as a teen age I began to hang out with 2 of my 3'rd cousins, we all shared the same great grand father.--

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Exactly.  If gender is no barrier, what is?

Cows, horses, sheep, and other animals. Then the plants...
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Cows, horses, sheep, and other animals. Then the plants...

The market for zukes (zucchini), cukes, and squash would be . . . lucrative (I caught myself there!). 

(I knew there was a good reason to plant a lot of each in my gardens! :whistling: )
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The market for zukes (zucchini), cukes, and squash would be . . . lucrative (I caught myself there!). 

(I knew there was a good reason to plant a lot of each in my gardens! :whistling: )

And bananas and plantains!  :lmao:
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Cows, horses, sheep, and other animals. Then the plants...

I was interested to see a zebra crossed with a donkey, a wonderful animal, all donkey except for the zebra stripes on all four legs.

Forget the plants CG6, it is beyond us people to stop the crap they are doing to natural grown seeds.    ---- big business today with the sale of replicating seeds, -- hard to find and a problem for those that plant them.

We have cloning of animals and whispers of renegade scientists do the same off shore with humans.   No surprise here, science will find an excuse for any horrid action on their part.

Check out Dog World where designers are crossing breeds to fit the owners desires.

I want a small dog that has the genes of a Rottweiler, the dog may weigh 15 pounds and look like a poodle but ---back off this ankle biter will go for your throat.  Fun to think of what mixing breeds will cause,   say a beagle crossed with a Shiatsu, a tiny dog that trees raccoons.


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I was interested to see a zebra crossed with a donkey, a wonderful animal, all donkey except for the zebra stripes on all four legs.

Can it breed? To my knowledge when that Dr. Mephesto shit is tried the offspring winds up sterile, I.e. Liger, Mule, etc., so what's the point?
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So reverse this Mr. Tanker, say polygamy went the other way, woman with multi-husbands. 

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Mom had a shit fit as did my grandparents when as a teen age I began to hang out with 2 of my 3'rd cousins, we all shared the same great grand father.--

And I was just wondering how you were doing. :hammer:

Lots of women out there are haveing multiple male partners both in and out of marriage.  My ex wife for example, but of course, she had "issues"  according to her shrink.  

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So reverse this Mr. Tanker, say polygamy went the other way, woman with multi-husbands. 

Who would be the father, the woman could churn out a baby every 12 months but where is the bonding of the boys to their fathers???   This just will not work.

Daughters born and hit breeding age would be a big problem, could she mate with one of mothers husbands and know for sure he is not her father??

This kind of living will and can kill off the advance of humanity. 

Nope much better the husband have a few  wives, ------

American Indians had a cure for this, each child born to a tribe had a tattoo to denote the clan.   As the Indians wandered about America they knew what clan they came from and who was related. When a male and female with the same tattoo met, they knew the other was off limits to them.

I never understood this as a dating teenager when my mom would not allow me to date until she knew the mothers maiden name.  She really embarrassed me by grilling any boy that came to the house on his family names etc.

Small town with lots of relatives by birth and totally unknown to the far flung family.

Mom had a shit fit as did my grandparents when as a teen age I began to hang out with 2 of my 3'rd cousins, we all shared the same great grand father.--

That's specifically called 'Polyandry' (I believe the counterpart term for multiple wives only is 'Polygyny') but 'Polygamy' encompasses both. 

There are plenty of relationships now in the more Bohemian parts of our society that (Though not legally recognized) are basically multipartner on both sides, in the case of some people I know who were in one, if there were kids they would've been better off than if the adult members were paired off in the traditional way, since collectively the kid would've been more exposed to sanity than if he or she only had any two of them to go by.

Personally, my own opinion is that these larger group marriages always break down over time, because one or more of the members bonds much more strongly to one partner than to the rest.  If that's not reciprocated it boils into jealousy, while if it is reciprocated, that couple usually ends up bailing on the whole group marriage thing, to the discomfiture of everyone else in it.   
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i was listening to an NPR report on the new New York law that allows gay marriage.  One big point was that they expect it to bring in big tourist bucks, and lots of money for weddings and all the frills and flairs.  

However, they interviewed several gay couples at the end of the report, and one made the very strong point that the limitations of "marriage" just won't fit into the gay lifestyle.  There are way too many families that are multi-adult families, where 3 or more people have gotten together to provide both sexual satisfaction for those that swing both ways, and to provide the ability to have children without assistance.  Coupling up will not fix all their issues with hospital visits, inheritance, custody, etc.  

They are flat out telling us exactly what the activists have tried to deny...as soon as they feel this issue is won, they're going to go for the next level of "rights" or "freedom" or whatever they'll call their next attempt at shoving their beliefs down the throats of everyone else.
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‘Sister Wives’ stars: Polygamy law challenge called demand for equality

By lindsay whitehurst

The Salt Lake Tribune
First published Jul 12 2011 01:56PM
Updated Jul 12, 2011 11:50PM

Utah’s complicated history with polygamy will start a new chapter Wednesday when an attorney for a reality-show family files a lawsuit that could send the state’s ban on plural marriage to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Nationally-known constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley said the lawsuit to be filed in U.S. District Court in Salt Lake City will not call for plural marriages to be recognized by the state. Instead, it asks for polygamy between consenting adults like his clients, former Utahn Kody Brown and his wives, to no longer be considered a crime.

"We are only challenging the right of the state to prosecute people for their private relations and demanding equal treatment with other citizens in living their lives according to their own beliefs," Turley said in a press release. The Browns star in the TLC network show "Sister Wives." There is no word yet on whether they will appear in a press conference scheduled for Wednesday. ...
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/entertainment/52176389-78/polygamy-brown-utah-court.html.csp



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i was listening to an NPR report on the new New York law that allows gay marriage.  One big point was that they expect it to bring in big tourist bucks, and lots of money for weddings and all the frills and flairs.  

However, they interviewed several gay couples at the end of the report, and one made the very strong point that the limitations of "marriage" just won't fit into the gay lifestyle.  There are way too many families that are multi-adult families, where 3 or more people have gotten together to provide both sexual satisfaction for those that swing both ways, and to provide the ability to have children without assistance.  Coupling up will not fix all their issues with hospital visits, inheritance, custody, etc.  

They are flat out telling us exactly what the activists have tried to deny...as soon as they feel this issue is won, they're going to go for the next level of "rights" or "freedom" or whatever they'll call their next attempt at shoving their beliefs down the throats of everyone else.

Seems to me that in any group of people there is a pecking order, be it family, work and yes even at church.

Females are hard to live with for many reasons, Fancy one man trying to live with 3 woman AND his mother. :banghead: :banghead:

The Mormon Cults try to keep their wives in separate homes to cut down on jealousy and a Wife War.   Great idea, living under one roof would become a bully battle field.   

As we have seen on the news this idea can become positively Sinfull as when the older men in the Comunity get a hankering for the young girls and the teenage boys are just dumped on the streets to end any competition for the girls. Teen boys that there own mothers have to drive away.

Were you 14 and your 48 year uncle wanted to marry you, but you had a crush on a 15 year old boy, that boy would have to disappear.

It is mostly today all about sex and money.   The men stay home after putting their young wives through school and out to work, to take their salary and place it in a comunity pot.  The older wives that either retire or hit menopause babysit and do home schooling for the kids. 

Kids are kept apart by gender after a certain age,  to the kids this is normal, all they have ever known.

Interesting life style, Surprising that more and more girls do not run away as teens, but they are brain washed to OBAY what they are told is the word of God.

Sad, but a story as old as time, Salome dancing for her father asking only for the head of John the Baptist. [ I wonder who put her up to that idea, surely at that young age she was not interested in the affairs of her father--what was she 10 or 12 years old?]   

One thing I wonder about here in New Endland, at the old cemetery's a man and woman are buried as husband and wife, but there are also stones for the men who are widowed and remarry called their new wives their --- Consort Of ---keeps the kids from being called bastards. 

Kids are confused enough today, a male with 3 wives and six kids, what do the kids call their half sisters and brothers or the children born in the next generation, and who the Hell are their grandparents???????  Fathers brother marries their sister, what is their relationship to them and their children.

If in the old days these family's all moved about and family's separated from each other that would be one thing, but, when 4-6 generations stays in one place and keeps interbreeding, then the bad genes will over come the good genes and some very odd physical problems arise.

Not a good idea in today's world, a positive 8,000 years ago but today this may mean the changing of human life as we know it.

BTW, NBLA has tried for 40+ years to get the age of consent for sex down to abound 7-8 years old.   

History repeats but I never though Sodom and Gomorrah would rise up again, guess I was wrong.

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