Author Topic: Texas urged to halt Mexican's execution (Read 5281 times)

Alpha Mare · « **on:** July 06, 2011, 07:08:17 PM »

Here we go again.

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The Obama administration has urged Texas to delay the execution of a Mexican man, saying it would put the US in breach of international obligations.

Humberto Leal Garcia, 38, faces lethal injection on Thursday for the rape and murder of a 16-year-old girl in 1994.
He was not told he could have access to Mexican consular officials, in violation of the Vienna Convention.
The parole board refused to halt the sentence and Texas Governor Rick Perry has indicated he will not intervene.

Leal, who moved to the US when he was a small child, is one of 51 Mexican nationals on death row who were the focus of a 2004 ruling by the International Court of Justice (ICJ).

The court said that their convictions should be reviewed because they were denied consular access. President George W Bush told Texas officials they should comply with the ICJ order but the Supreme Court ruled that he had overstepped his authority.

In August 2008, Texas, which argued that its courts were not bound by the rulings of the ICJ, executed Mexican Jose Medellin.

With the Texas parole board's decision, Leal's fate now rests with Governor Rick Perry or the Supreme Court. Mr Perry's office has said he has no plans to stop the execution.

"if you commit the most heinous of crimes in Texas, you can expect to face the ultimate penalty under our laws, as in this case," spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14041953

forgot the link

thundley4 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:10:41 PM »

DOiJ investigation of Texas Department of Corrections will commence in 3-2-1......

Ptarmigan · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:16:53 PM »

Obama hates Texas.

IassaFTots · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:57:21 PM »

I would love to see Perry continue to maintain his stance. I would so love to see that.

Eupher · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2011, 08:00:21 PM »

This slimy bastard's been on death row for 17 years, suckin' up resources.

It's time he met his Maker.

**** the ICJ. Useless two-bit entertainers all wrapped around themselves and their lofty sense of "justice."

Let 'em get a taste of Texas justice.

Texacon · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2011, 08:02:55 PM »

99% chance this Mexican dies on his execution date.

KC

thundley4 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2011, 08:25:56 PM »

Many DUmmies are not happy that Texas is flaunting the ICJ request, especially sooper intelleckual nadinletters. Other DUmmies take a more pragmatic view and want the scumbag dead.

CG6468 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2011, 08:49:14 PM »

So he wants to circumvent state law.

Where have I heard that before?

Texacon · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2011, 08:56:36 PM »

Quote from: CG6468 on July 06, 2011, 08:49:14 PM

So he wants to circumvent state law.

Where have I heard that before?

Bet he can't circumvent the laws of chemistry.

KC

CG6468 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2011, 08:58:21 PM »

Agreed!

"Better death through chemistry."

IassaFTots · « **Reply #10 on:** July 06, 2011, 08:58:55 PM »

Quote from: Texacon on July 06, 2011, 08:02:55 PM

99% chance this Mexican dies on his execution date.

KC

Horrible thing to pray for someone's death, but please, dear Lord. Please.

Texacon · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:00:29 PM »

Quote from: CG6468 on July 06, 2011, 08:58:21 PM

Agreed!

"Better death through chemistry."

Yeah and that's unfortunate. They should let us bash his head in with a large piece of asphalt. If it was good enough for his 16 year old victim it should be good enough for him.

KC

CG6468 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:02:31 PM »

Quote from: Texacon on July 06, 2011, 09:00:29 PM

Yeah and that's unfortunate. They should let us bash his head in with a large piece of asphalt. If it was good enough for his 16 year old victim it should be good enough for him.

KC

Well, one way or another, he needs to be gone.

IassaFTots · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:04:52 PM »

Quote from: CG6468 on July 06, 2011, 09:02:31 PM

Well, one way or another, he needs to be gone.

Well, at least we didn't let a small thing like lack of chemicals get in the way.

thundley4 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:05:57 PM »

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Last Friday, the Obama administration asked the U.S. Supreme Court to stop Texas from executing Leal, asking the court to delay the execution for up to six months to give Congress time to consider legislation that would enforce the U.N. treaty.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/06/mexican-national-inmate-on-death-row-creates-international-stir/#ixzz1RNgnYXnM

Obama wants congress to pass a law that would enforce the UN treaty. WTF? Wouldn't this fall under the heading of Ex Post Facto?

seahorse513 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:09:42 PM »

"Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day sone, the wicked had to answer for all the wicked he had done. Find the longest rope in texas and tall oak tree.Round up all those bad boys hang em high in the tree, for all the people to see"

Wille Nelson

IassaFTots · « **Reply #16 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:11:07 PM »

Quote from: seahorse513 on July 06, 2011, 09:09:42 PM

"Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day sone, the wicked had to answer for all the wicked he had done. Find the longest rope in texas and tall oak tree. hang em high on the branch, for all the people to see" :-)Wille Nelson

I maintain the world would be a better place if we still adhered to that particular practice.

CG6468 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:11:48 PM »

Quote from: thundley4 on July 06, 2011, 09:05:57 PM

Obama wants congress to pass a law that would enforce the UN treaty. WTF? Wouldn't this fall under the heading of Ex Post Facto?

Yes, in my opinion.

CG6468 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 06, 2011, 09:32:32 PM »

No internet link that I could find the last time I checked. I'm sure this must be copyrighted, but I can't locate anything. This was one of my favorite Mike Royko columns. I saved it in Word.

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Mike Royko, Chicago TRIBUNE, August 18, 1993

Exclamation points in judgeâ€™s sentence

Iâ€™m often surprised at how restrained and unemotional most judges are when sentencing some two-legged beast to prison.

Itâ€™s seldom that a judge blows off steam for himself and society in general.

Most of them deliver lectures that are less harsh than some of my old principals gave us when we were caught sneaking a smoke in the boyâ€™s washroom.

Thatâ€™s probably because some bar groups would start screaming that the judge was not displaying proper judicial decorum.

Itâ€™s the position of the American Bar Association that judges should start tossing some fire and brimstone into their sentencing speeches.

They might look to Judge W/ Wyatt McKay for inspiration.

<SNIP>

Chicago Tribune

Eupher · « **Reply #19 on:** July 07, 2011, 08:11:49 AM »

Quote from: CG6468 on July 06, 2011, 09:32:32 PM

No internet link that I could find the last time I checked. I'm sure this must be copyrighted, but I can't locate anything. This was one of my favorite Mike Royko columns. I saved it in Word.
Chicago Tribune

Outstanding!

I like the way that judge thinks. And the way Roy Bean thought as well.....

Texacon · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2011, 08:36:40 AM »

I think when there is zero doubt the person committed the crime then all this BS about not having a Miranda warning or not being allowed to talk to your Consulate should just be thrown to the winds. What the hell difference does it make?

If you absolutely, 100% committed the crime then why should it matter if you were told you have a right to remain silent? You have a right to talk to someone from your own country?

All that does is make the process to get your sorry ass dead take longer and cost me money. If you did it and it was a heinous crime then you go straight out behind the court house, get on your knees, spend what little time you have left to talk to God then someone puts a bullet behind your ear. I don't even want to spend money on a last meal, you don't deserve it.

KC

CG6468 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:07:31 AM »

Whoever found the link, thank you. For years I looked for the article, but I didn't look this time since all my years of previous research turned up nothing. It was in one of Royko's books.

DumbAss Tanker · « **Reply #22 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:07:51 AM »

Quote from: thundley4 on July 06, 2011, 09:05:57 PM

Obama wants congress to pass a law that would enforce the UN treaty. WTF? Wouldn't this fall under the heading of Ex Post Facto?

No, treaties are law on the same footing as statutes already, IF they were properly signed and ratified, on which I don't believe there is any dispute as far as the Vienna Protocol goes, which is at the root of this legally, not the ICJ request. Texas did fail to follow the Vienna Protocol, but the question in our legal system is whether that amounts to error per se, or whether it will be analyzed on a 'Harmful error' basis. In the latter case he is probably still toast, since the right under the Protocol is mainly a right to contact the home country's consulate, and does not give the foreign government any rights to intervene in the trial.

Alpha Mare · « **Reply #23 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:08:33 AM »

Never asked for access to consular, and it wouldn't have changed the outcome anyway. Same tired-assed "I'm the real victim" defense.

Like Ron White says: "If you kill somebody in Texas, we'll kill you back."

CG6468 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:08:55 AM »

Quote from: Eupher on July 07, 2011, 08:11:49 AM

Outstanding!

I like the way that judge thinks. And the way Roy Bean thought as well.....

Judge McKay is still on the bench, and still handing down logical conclusions.

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