DUmmies Discuss Algore vs. Dubya - Freudenschade All Over Again

[GOBUCKS]

One thing I've discovered is that it's never too late to bask in the warm glow of freudenschade. DUmmy LoZoccolo brings up Algore's loss, and the DUmp erupts as if it's still early November, 2000. It's still beautiful, after all these years:

LoZoccolo  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-29-11 06:54 PM
Original message
If Nader's voters had instead chose Gore, there would not have been Bush* tax cuts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1387320
And if the media hadn't persuaded a few million halfwits to vote for that nutty giant sucking sound, Ross Perot, we would not have suffered through eight years of Willie's willy and the Hildebeast.
 

Autumn  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 06:58 PM
Response to Original message
2. Al Gore won the election. Blame the supreme court.
When all the votes were counted, Al Gore was the winner. The only votes that counted ended up being 5 to 4 in Bush's favor. Get over Nader, he had every right to run.

I thought it was the butterfly ballot.

WhiteTara  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-29-11 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #2
12. Had there been an additional 97000 votes
 for Gore that Nadir demanded "To show them" we wouldn't have Bush tax cuts or 3 wars in the ME or or or or ... Nadir is a plant and always has been.

pnwmom  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Nader didn't even hide the fact that he was trying to help the Rethugs.
And yet millions fell for it.

Yep. Red Ralph is a repug plant. 

earthside  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #2
25. Indeed: Gore Won
Bush cheated.

In the United States you have the right to vote for whom you want ... the vast majority of Naderites are Naderites; neither Gore nor any Democrat has any claim to those people's votes.

Whenever this topic comes up it gets me how some folks want to shift the blame for the stolen election to Nader instead of placing it clearly where it should be -- on Bush/Cheney, the cheaters, and the coup plotters on the Supreme Court.

I thought it was the white collar riot.
 

Webster Green  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #3
27. Not really.
I voted for Nader in 2000, to support the Green Party here in CA. My "safe state" vote for Nader had no effect on the outcome whatsoever.

As for the Nader voters in Florida, well....Gore won the election in Florida. Fat Tony had other ideas.

I thought it was Katherine Harris.
 

tnlefty  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #9
32. And if Katherine Harris hadn't illegally purged eligible voters from
the rolls...I truly despise that woman. she did what she did and was never even slapped on the wrist for it.

See. It was Katherine Harris. She was just laying the groundwork for a huge scam four years later by her ugly sister, Bev.

MadHound  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. More fun to punch hippies than actually concede that Gore did win in Florida
The OP has been shown this fact time and again, along with the fact that Gore completely screwed the pooch when it came to the recount, but he refuses to recognize these facts. His obsession with Nader completely blinds him to reality. 

I thought it was the media who sabotaged Gore's campaign.

bluestate10  (1000+ posts)     Wed Jun-29-11 07:01 PM
Response to Original message
8. Exactly. Now watch the pissing begin.
One of the meat line is that if Gore had won more vote, he would have won. But with tens of thousands throwing away their votes, those responsible for Bush II and near national destruction are....tadaaaaa, Nader Florida 2000 voters.

pnwmom  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. If the 95,000+ Florida Nader voters had voted for Gore,
the election wouldn't have ended up close enough to get stolen.

It was definitely Diebold.

pnwmom  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #90
95. Gore did an excellent job of differentiating himself. However,
the media ignored everything he actually said because they preferred to mock him for being too "wooden," for "rolling his eyes," etc. To the media, the contest between Bush and Gore was all about personality -- all the issues got drowned in the swamp of Bush's he'stheguyyouwanttohaveabeerwith personality.

They also twisted and distorted everything Gore said to make him a laughingstock. Gore correctly took credit for helping to get a toxic waste situation cleaned up (I forget the name of the place), and the media pretended that Gore was lying about it. They also pretended that Gore had said he "invented the Internet." He never said that -- he did take credit for writing legislation that made the Internet possible. But the media had already decided to turn everything Gore said into a joke.

And then there was Nader, offering his two bits -- that there was no difference between the sleeze ball, Bush, and the environmental crusader (yes, even then) Gore. And millions of progressives who should have known better bought Nader's lies.

So what, Algore discovered Love Canal, and invented the internet. At least he didn't have non-existent events seared into his memory.

Kaleva  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #17
52. And if the 200k plus Dems who voted for Bush had voted for Gore instead...
Florida would have been an easy win for Gore.

 
I thought it was because Lieberman was an observant Jew.

pnwmom  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #52
65. Many of them were elderly people befuddled by the butterfly ballot.
And many of the others had old registrations and had stopped voting as Democrats decades earlier.

See? It WAS the butterfly ballot! I knew it. All those senile Jewish people voting for Pat Buchanon.

Webster Green  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 07:08 PM
Response to Original message
16. Not this shit again.
Good grief!

It was the Supreme W. Court, not Nader.

Freudenschade.

Better Believe It  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-29-11 07:29 PM
Response to Original message
35. You're right. They would have been called "Gore's tax cuts". They are now "Obama's tax cuts" 
 
And President Obama supports the continuation of the "Bush tax cuts".

Does that now make them Obama's tax cuts?

 

LoZoccolo  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-29-11 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #71
83. I think a third party is needed to split the Republicans.

It's already in place.
 

TheKentuckian  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-29-11 07:48 PM
Response to Original message
45. And if several times more Democrats hadn't voted directly for Bush then no Bush either
Or if Gore didn't decide that "Governor Bush is right" a billion times he wouldn't have run voters to Nader.

Or if he didn't choose a backstabbing corporatist for his VP.

Or if he didn't concede, un-concede, and finally roll over.

Or if he didn't run away from his popular President who would have won by his largest margin if he could have run again.

Or if we didn't have a corrupt Supreme Court.

Or any number of things.

Go win votes instead of pissing on the heads of those who you think OWE you their allegiance regardless of how you ignore or alternatively degrade their issues and needs.

Kaleva  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. And if Gore would have won his homestate, Florida wouldn't have mattered.

Thank you. Thank you. It was the least I could do. Thank you all.

Hugabear (1000+ posts)      Thu Jun-30-11 02:01 AM
Response to Original message
113. STOP BLAMING THIS ON NADER VOTERS. BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION.
Yes, I typed in all caps, because I'm sick and tired of people blaming the Bush years on Nader voters. Yes, it would have been nice if those votes would have gone for Gore. But the fact of the matter is that Gore still won the election even without the Nader votes. Had the SCOTUS not gotten involved, if Florida had counted ALL of the votes, then we would have never had to suffer through the Bush years. So please, stop blaming Nader voters for Bush's "victory".

Lucian  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jun-30-11 03:33 AM
Response to Original message
120. Geez. Why are some people so stupid about the 2000 election?
 Edited on Thu Jun-30-11 03:34 AM by Lucian
1. The Supreme Court selected Bush to be President.
2. There were people who voted for other than Nader who are equal blame for Bush winning Florida.
3. Many ballots were later found that were all for Gore.
4. That means the election was stolen.
And 5. The great thing about a democracy is that people get to vote for whomever they want.

But keep blaming Nader voters.

   

[DLR Pyro]

NEWSFLASH:  The 2000 election is over.  George Bush Won.  Deal with it.  ###

[JakeStyle]

Suck it DUmmies.

[thelaughingman]

1. The Supreme Court selected Bush to be President.

They only thing SCOTUS did was bitchslap the stupid Florida Supreme Court, which was doing everything it could to make Gore the winner, for obviously and shamelessly advocating unfair and unconstitutional vote counting.

2. There were people who voted for other than Nader who are equal blame for Bush winning Florida.

Yeah, those one or two votes that the Green Party scrounged up really cost Gore the election.

3. Many ballots were later found that were all for Gore.

It was about 60.

4. That means the election was stolen.

No, it doesn't.  You fail at Logic 101.  Go back to kindergarten and start all over.

And 5. The great thing about a democracy is that people get to vote for whomever they want.

It's great unless they vote for a "Repuke," right?

[WinOne4TheGipper]

 

The media was complicit in attempting to steal the election for Gore.  From the DUI story conveniently leaked days before the election to calling FL before polls had closed in the most republican part if the state, the media clearly played favorites.

[AllosaursRus]

These morons are delusional, aren't they? If one of them took the time to Google they would find out Gore was ****ed because of the military votes they would have to count anyway!

Actually, Gore was closer before the Supreme's weighed in. However, if they were goin' to be chastised into countin' hangin' chads, which by the way were controlled by DemonRat officials in 80% of the precincts, (wonder how that worked, BTW DUmmies?), they would have had to allow the votes of our overseas soldiers they did their damnedest to exclude! It wouldn't even have been close!

They will never let it go. Just like the 'Bumbler will never quit blamin' "W" even if he had 4 terms, let alone 1 or 2! It's never their fault, have ya noticed that? ****in' rocks are smarter and have more intelligence than those that reside at the DUmp!

[thelaughingman]

if Florida had counted ALL of the votes

Including all those absentee votes from the military personnel overseas?

And it's funny how your "count every vote" went out the window when it came to the Wisconsin Supreme Court election this year.  Forgotten votes get found and you all start caterwauling "DON'T count every vote if it means our candidate losing!!!"

[GOBUCKS]

Including all those absentee votes from the military personnel overseas?

And it's funny how your "count every vote" went out the window when it came to the Wisconsin Supreme Court election this year.  Forgotten votes get found and you all start caterwauling "DON'T count every vote if it means our candidate losing!!!"

Check out the Washington State gubernatorial election, where a new sack full of democrat votes was discovered every 24 hours for days on end. Dead Richard Daley would have been proud.

[BEG]

I'm am so sick of them with their Bush Tax cuts talking points.  IF we are going to get rid of them, get rid of ALL OF THEM.  Where do you think the economy would be then assholes?

The Bush tax cuts created six tax rate brackets--10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33% and 35%, based on income levels.  If we went back to pre-Bush tax cuts the 10% bracket would disappear, and those taxpayers would move up to the 15% bracket (that is 50% for stupid DUmmies), which would apply to all incomes below $34,550. The other tax rates would increase to 28% (+3%), 31% (+3%), 36% (+3%) and 39.6% (+4.6%) respectively.  I'm not even going to get into the fact that almost 50% don't pay any Fed tax at all and that increasing just the upper two tax brackets wont even TOUCH the debt.  If you taxed the top 1% at 100% it wouldn't touch it.

The marriage penalty would also come back, and the capital gains that a lot of retired people (including my parents) rely on would go up 5% (if you are a poor retired person it could be 0%). The tax on dividends will go from 15% to 39.6% if you are a "rich" person.  Yeah that would really help investing.  

Both the capital gains and dividend taxes will go up further in 2013 as Obamacare adds a 3.8% Medicare *FEE* for individuals making more than $200,000 a year and joint filers making more than $250,000. Other tax hikes include: halving the child tax credit to $500 from $1,000 (and reducing the number of people who qualify for the child tax credit) and fixing the standard deduction for couples at the same level as it is for single filers.

Although DUmmies don't care about this one, it affected my family personally:  

Other Expirations
Another legacy of the two tax cuts was the elimination of the phase out of the personal exemption, which was gradually eliminated over time.  If we were to go back to the pre-bush tax cuts then the phase out will resume at incomes above $122,500.

The phase out for itemized deductions were also eliminated by the Bush tax cuts, and these will also kick back in. Some taxpayers may lose as much as 80% of their itemized deductions if their income is too high.

I am sure I'm missing something but if you want to get rid of the Bush Tax cuts DUmbasses then get rid of everything.

Add to that the "second wave" of hikes designed to pay for ObamaCare and we are screwed.

[thelaughingman]

I don't know if you were trying to be funny, but it's "Schadenfreude."

[GOBUCKS]

I don't know if you were trying to be funny, but it's "Schadenfreude."

Hereabouts it has been "freudenschade" for years.
The word originated with a DUmmy.
It is pretty much the only original thing they've ever done.

[thelaughingman]

Hereabouts it has been "freudenschade" for years.
The word originated with a DUmmy.
It is pretty much the only original thing they've ever done.

Oh.  So you were, in fact, being funny.     Gotcha.  Thanks for cluing in the clueless (me).  I obviously haven't caught on to all the stuff like that.

[franksolich]

Oh.  So you were, in fact, being funny.     Gotcha.  Thanks for cluing in the clueless (me).  I obviously haven't caught on to all the stuff like that.

Yeah, a primitive switched the two parts of the words, without knowing it, when the indictment of Karl Rove was first being alleged by the Bostonian Drunkard on Skins's island.

[Skul]

The primatives still agonize over this??
I thought Ohio in 2004 was the new, "we won, and they stole it".

[GOBUCKS]

The primatives still agonize over this??
I thought Ohio in 2004 was the new, "we won, and they stole it".

Well, yeah, of course, Dubya lost both elections. But I think they don't squeal as much about Ohio 2004, because they feel guilty about it. Bev Harris found dumpsters full of John F'n votes at Kings Island, and only needed ten more dollars to get them counted, and John F'n declared the winner. We could have had our first Commander-in-Chief with an other-than-honorable discharge. But would the DUmmies cough up the dough? Nooooo! By the time the dull-witted DUmbasses realized what had happened, it was too late, and Dubya was sworn in to his second term. Then the freepers killed Andy, Fitzmas blew up, and everything went to hell. All because the DUmmies wouldn't give Bev another lousy ten bucks. So they feel guilty.

[Skul]

Well, yeah, of course, Dubya lost both elections. But I think they don't squeal as much about Ohio 2004, because they feel guilty about it. Bev Harris found dumpsters full of John F'n votes at Kings Island, and only needed a ten more dollars to get them counted, and John F'n declared the winner. We could have had our first Commander-in-Chief with an other-than-honorable discharge. But would the DUmmies cough up the dough? Nooooo! By the time the dull-witted DUmbasses realized what had happened, it was too late, and Dubya was sworn in to his second term. Then the freepers killed Andy, Fitzmas blew up, and everything went to hell. All because the DUmmies wouldn't give Bev another lousy ten bucks. So they feel guilty.

Freepers didn't kill Andy, I did.  Shhhhh

[ChuckJ]

Poor, poor Algore. If he could have convinced the people who knew him best, the people from his home state of Tennessee, to vote for him it wouldn't matter about Florida or Nader, but the people who knew Algore best apparently decided that he didn't deserve their votes. Even in the great Reagan landslide election of 1984 Mondale at least won his own state.

By the way, does anyone know how many times a presidential candidate has not won his home state?

[Mr Mannn]

Poor, poor Algore. If he could have convinced the people who knew him best, the people from his home state of Tennessee, to vote for him it wouldn't matter about Florida or Nader, but the people who knew Algore best apparently decided that he didn't deserve their votes. Even in the great Reagan landslide election of 1984 Mondale at least won his own state.

By the way, does anyone know how many times a presidential candidate has not won his home state?

This is the thing I love to rub in when my liberal cousins lament about 2000. Gore lost his home state. No president EVER loses his home state. Had he won Tennessee, he would have won the election.
--Nader wasn't a factor in Tennessee.
--No recounts took place in Tennessee.
--No whiny babies claimed Bush cheated in Tennessee.
--Gore never challenged his loss in Tennessee.

Tennessee was what decided 2000. Florida was just the distraction.

and BTW, H5 just cause you brought up my favorite liberal jab...

[franksolich]

By the way, does anyone know how many times a presidential candidate has not won his home state?

I'm going through the top of my head.

2008, Obama (Illinois), McCain (Arizona)
2004, Bush (Texas), the Bostonian Billionaire (Massachusetts)
2000, Bush (Texas), Alphonse Capote Gore (did not win Tennessee)
1996, Clinton (Arkansas), Dole (Kansas)
1992, Clinton (Arkansas), Bush (Texas)
1988, Bush (Texas), Dukakis (Massachusetts)
1984, Reagan (California), Mundane (Minnesota)
1980, Reagan (California), the Incompetent One (Georgia)
1976, the Incompetent One (Georgia), Ford (Michigan)
1972, Nixon (California), McGovern (did not win South Dakota)
1968, Nixon (California), Humphrey (Minnesota)
1964, Johnson (Texas), Goldwater (Arizona)
1960, Kennedy (Massachusetts), Nixon (California)

It gets murkier beginning with 1956, I dunno off the top of my head if the Egghead won Illinois or not.

[JohnnyReb]

I'm going through the top of my head.

2008, Obama (Illinois), McCain (Arizona)
2004, Bush (Texas), the Bostonian Billionaire (Massachusetts)
2000, Bush (Texas), Alphonse Capote Gore (did not win Tennessee)
1996, Clinton (Arkansas), Dole (Kansas)
1992, Clinton (Arkansas), Bush (Texas)
1988, Bush (Texas), Dukakis (Massachusetts)
1984, Reagan (California), Mundane (Minnesota)
1980, Reagan (California), the Incompetent One (Georgia)
1976, the Incompetent One (Georgia), Ford (Michigan)
1972, Nixon (California), McGovern (did not win South Dakota)
1968, Nixon (California), Humphrey (Minnesota)
1964, Johnson (Texas), Goldwater (Arizona)
1960, Kennedy (Massachusetts), Nixon (California)

It gets murkier beginning with 1956, I dunno off the top of my head if the Egghead won Illinois or not.

Damn Frank, you got a lot of info on the top of your head. What else is up there?

...and DUmmie said, "And if Katherine Harris hadn't illegally purged eligible voters from the rolls..."...hey DUmmie, once you're purged from the rolls of the living, you should be purged from the rolls of the voting.

[franksolich]

Damn Frank, you got a lot of info on the top of your head. What else is up there?

I'm thinking Eisenhower (Kansas) carried Illinois (the Egghead) in both 1956 and 1952, but don't want to say for sure.

Before that, Landon (Kansas) didn't carry his home state in 1936.

So it's a mighty rare phenomenon, that a presidential candidate, winner or loser, doesn't carry his own state.

Which makes Alphonse Capote Gore a double loser.

[GOBUCKS]

Algore is a phony Tennessean. He was raised in an apartment at the Hay-Adams Hotel in Washington, while his father was a U.S. Senator.
No one should be surprised that Algore claimed he discovered Love Canal and invented the Internet.
After all, his corrupt father claimed credit for the Interstate Highway system.
Bogus self-glorification is in the genes.

[Wineslob]

tnlefty  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #9
32. And if Katherine Harris hadn't illegally purged eligible voters from
the rolls...I truly despise that woman. she did what she did and was never even slapped on the wrist for it.

Yup, that bitch, she followed the letter of the law, how the hell could she do such a thing???

[GOBUCKS]

tnlefty  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-29-11 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #9
32. And if Katherine Harris hadn't illegally purged eligible voters from
the rolls...I truly despise that woman. she did what she did and was never even slapped on the wrist for it.

DUmmies don't realize Harris moved to Minnesota and changed her name.

[ReaganForRushmore]

Aren't these the Obama taxcuts now since he took ownership of the cuts in December, 2010 when he extended them?