Author Topic: mountain man primitive calls his nephew a coward (Read 3800 times)

franksolich · « **on:** June 30, 2011, 08:18:16 AM »

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Oh my.

The mountain man primitive, who like all men nightly pitches his tent one day's march nearer the mausoleum:

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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:45 AM
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The most cowardly job on earth is in Nevada

I have a nephew I get to talk to from time to time. The fellow is in his late 30's, he is a Captain (Pilot) in the Air Force. He is stationed in Nevada Sits in a cubical during his working hours flying armed Drones over Afghanistan and Pakistan. He told me once, a couple of months ago, that 'this is real combat, these are real bullets'.

I am and old man now, but I was part of my generations war. I know what real bullets are and what they do. My nephew has the most cowardly job on earth.

Well, I wouldn't call that "brave," but it's not anywhere near as cowardly as adult physicians who eviscerate infants in the womb.

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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:48 AM
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1. Anyone that fights for better ideas will quickly find courage.

Because the bad side of ideas likes to use fear.

It is pretty consistent across the centuries.

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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:51 AM
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2. Seems like a harsh assessment to me. We've always been maximizing impact while mimiizing casualties

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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:59 AM
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9. minimizing casualties by expanding the number of countries we drone bomb?

Somalia now makes 6.

seems counter-productive, eh?

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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:52 AM
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3. I swear I read somewhere that these drone pilots were stationed in Florida some years ago

Sure this good ole boy isn't bullshitting you?

Not saying I am right and you are wrong but I think that is what I read somewhere.

Don

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brendan120678 (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:53 AM
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4. 'this is real combat, these are real bullets'

I believe that to be a valid point.

Imagine how Civil War veterans must have thought about WWI veterans.
Or imagine how WWI veterans must have thought about WWII veterans.
Or imagine how WWII veterans though about Korean and Vietnam veterans.
Etc,
Etc,
Etc.

As the years go by, warfare changes. Undoubtedly, it gets "easier," but it is still real.

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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:54 AM
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6. In every example you give the enemy gets to fight back.

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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:58 AM
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8. The Goal of war...

...is NOT to die for your country.

It is to make the other poor bastard die for HIS country.

(Patton)

The goal is also to win. War sucks - but it is a reality. I would rather our enemy not have the ability to fight back.

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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:54 AM
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5. In his late 30's and still a Captain?

He's either incompetent or pissed someone off.

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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:55 AM
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7. In and out several times

If I had to guess I'd say that he has been out as much as he has been in.

Skul · « **Reply #1 on:** June 30, 2011, 08:31:11 AM »

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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:45 AM
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The most cowardly job on earth is in Nevada
blahblahblah
I am and old man now, but I was part of my generations war. I know what real bullets are and what they do. My nephew has the most cowardly job on earth.

You watched TV news at night, that's all you did. Cowardly, dirty, smelly old hippy.
This DUmbass would probably play Russian roulette with an M1911A1. (only one bullet in the clip)

dutch508 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 30, 2011, 08:57:56 AM »

[snort] We make fun of the 'Droniez' too. They wear flight suits and everything.

Boudicca · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2011, 10:41:44 AM »

Frank, you've often said this, especially in reference to this particular primitive

The mountain man primitive, who like all men nightly pitches his tent one day's march nearer the mausoleum

Could you elaborate on the underlying meaning? I've been meaning to ask for some time now.

TIA

NHSparky · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2011, 11:00:51 AM »

Quote from: dutch508 on June 30, 2011, 08:57:56 AM

[snort] We make fun of the 'Droniez' too. They wear flight suits and everything.

While I wouldn't knock the skill of a UAV pilot, it does strike me as a bit strange that they can be awarded Bronze Stars for pushing a button and turning some Talibunny into a fine red mist 10,000 miles away.

franksolich · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2011, 11:37:54 AM »

Quote from: Boudicca on June 30, 2011, 10:41:44 AM

Frank, you've often said this, especially in reference to this particular primitive

The mountain man primitive, who like all men nightly pitches his tent one day's march nearer the mausoleum

Could you elaborate on the underlying meaning? I've been meaning to ask for some time now.

TIA

It's a long story, the phrase used only on the mountain man primitive, and it's impossible to render short.

Anyway, the mountain man, who's now 66 years old, has always claimed to be an atheist.

Well, whoop de doo with that. So he's an atheist.

At the same time, the mountain man primitive has betrayed an obsessive fear of dying.

Now we all have a fear of dying; that's a perfectly normal and healthy instinct.

But the mountain man primitive is coldly, clammily, sweatily, terrifiedly, afraid of death.

The thought of his death scares the shit out of him.

And myself being a nice guy.....

tanstaafl · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2011, 11:38:43 AM »

Are there any other AFB's in Nevada other than Area 51 and Nellis?

I thought the UAV's were piloted in Florida, Central Command HQ and all.

And why are they wasting a pilot with the rank of Captain time with what should be a WO's job?

NHSparky · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2011, 11:40:10 AM »

Quote from: tanstaafl on June 30, 2011, 11:38:43 AM

Are there any other AFB's in Nevada other than Area 51 and Nellis?

I thought the UAV's were piloted in Florida, Central Command HQ and all.

And why are they wasting a pilot with the rank of Captain time with what should be a WO's job?

Air Force, m'boy, Air Force. Captains fetch coffee. Majors fly.

GOBUCKS · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2011, 01:02:02 PM »

DUmmy ThomWV apparerntly discovered those great youtube gun camera links,
and was inspired to spin a lame bouncy tale around them.

Rebel · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2011, 01:10:45 PM »

Quote from: tanstaafl on June 30, 2011, 11:38:43 AM

Are there any other AFB's in Nevada other than Area 51 and Nellis?

I thought the UAV's were piloted in Florida, Central Command HQ and all.

And why are they wasting a pilot with the rank of Captain time with what should be a WO's job?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1842216-2,00.html

Apparently so. Also looks like they may be expanding it the enlisted ranks. Chalk one more up in the question of, "what really separates non-commissioned from commissioned?". You'd be hard-pressed to find a senior NCO without at least an associate's degree, many have Master's degrees now.

Rebel · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2011, 01:11:30 PM »

Quote from: NHSparky on June 30, 2011, 11:00:51 AM

While I wouldn't knock the skill of a UAV pilot, it does strike me as a bit strange that they can be awarded Bronze Stars for pushing a button and turning some Talibunny into a fine red mist 10,000 miles away.

Agree there.

I_B_Perky · « **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2011, 03:14:57 PM »

Quote from: franksolich on June 30, 2011, 11:37:54 AM

It's a long story, the phrase used only on the mountain man primitive, and it's impossible to render short.

Anyway, the mountain man, who's now 66 years old, has always claimed to be an atheist.

Well, whoop de doo with that. So he's an atheist.

At the same time, the mountain man primitive has betrayed an obsessive fear of dying.

Now we all have a fear of dying; that's a perfectly normal and healthy instinct.

But the mountain man primitive is coldly, clammily, sweatily, terrifiedly, afraid of death.

The thought of his death scares the shit out of him.

And myself being a nice guy.....

I often wondered about that saying myself. Knowing you I figured it was a play on something he said at one time.

Perhaps you should email him the lyrics to the song "Don't Fear the Reaper".

dandi · « **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2011, 04:52:36 PM »

Interestingly, it appears that Bronze Stars are meant not only for bravery, but also "meritorious service".

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Criteria
The award recognizes acts of heroism performed in ground combat if they are of lesser degree than that required for the Silver Star. It also recognizes single acts of merit and meritorious service if the achievement or service is of a lesser degree than that deemed worthy of the Legion of Merit; but such service must have been accomplished with distinction.

When awarded for heroism, the Bronze Star Medal is annotated by a bronze "V" device (to designate valor). Only one "V" device will be worn on the medal or ribbon regardless of the number of times awarded.

http://www.afpc.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=7771

GOBUCKS · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2011, 04:57:10 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if UAV pilot was one of the most boring jobs in the world.
A few get some great shots, but they orbit for hours and hours and days and weeks on end just on station.
That's their strong point - extremely extended flight time so they can patiently wait for something to happen.

AllosaursRus · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2011, 05:33:00 PM »

Quote from: dutch508 on June 30, 2011, 08:57:56 AM

[snort] We make fun of the 'Droniez' too. They wear flight suits and everything.

Heh, heh, heh! Now that's funny!

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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-30-11 08:48 AM
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1. Anyone that fights for better ideas will quickly find courage.

Because the bad side of ideas likes to use fear.

It is pretty consistent across the centuries.

Anyone else think that "RandomThoughts" is the perfect name for this *****?

delilahmused · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2011, 05:38:43 PM »

Anyone's job that potentially saves the lives of grunts is a hero in my eyes!

That said, my son sent me this a while back:

US Marine Corps Rules:
1. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
2. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.
3. Have a plan.
4. Have a back-up plan, because the first one probably won't work.
5. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
6. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a "4." (That just shows good sense.)
7. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
8. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (lateral & diagonal preferred.)
9. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
10. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
13. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating your intention to shoot.

Navy SEALS Rules:
1. Look very cool in sunglasses.
2. Kill every living thing within view.
3. Adjust Speedo.
4. Check hair in mirror.

US Army Rangers Rules:
1. Walk in 50 miles wearing 75 pound rucksack while starving.
2. Locate individuals requiring killing.
3. Request permission via radio from "Higher" to perform killing.
4. Curse bitterly when mission is aborted.
5. Walk out 50 miles wearing a 75 pound rucksack while starving.

US Army Rules:
1. Select a new beret to wear.
2. Sew patches on right shoulder.
3. Change the color of beret you decide to wear.

US Air Force Rules:
1. Have a cocktail.
2. Adjust temperature on air-conditioner.
3. See what's on HBO.
4. Ask "what is a gunfight?"
5. Request more funding from Congress with a "killer" PowerPoint presentation.
6. Wine & dine 'key' Congressmen, invite DOD & defense industry executives.
7. Receive funding, set up new command and assemble assets.
8. Declare the assets "strategic" and never deploy them operationally.
9. Hurry to make 1345 tee-time.

US Navy Rules:
1. Go to Sea.
2. Drink Coffee.
3. Deploy the Marines

Sniper Rule:
1. One shot, one kill.

Cindie

AllosaursRus · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2011, 05:46:47 PM »

H5 girlfriend, H5!!!!

Boudicca · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2011, 05:58:01 PM »

Quote from: franksolich on June 30, 2011, 11:37:54 AM

It's a long story, the phrase used only on the mountain man primitive, and it's impossible to render short.

Anyway, the mountain man, who's now 66 years old, has always claimed to be an atheist.

Well, whoop de doo with that. So he's an atheist.

At the same time, the mountain man primitive has betrayed an obsessive fear of dying.

Now we all have a fear of dying; that's a perfectly normal and healthy instinct.

But the mountain man primitive is coldly, clammily, sweatily, terrifiedly, afraid of death.

The thought of his death scares the shit out of him.

And myself being a nice guy.....

Well, sir, you are a nice guy. It IS very thoughtful of you to remind this man who "remembers what real bullets are and what they do" that it's not only bullets that will fetch him to the steps of the mausoleum.
What a poseur he and all the other lying DUmmie warriors are.

AllosaursRus · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2011, 06:31:42 PM »

Quote from: Boudicca on June 30, 2011, 05:58:01 PM

Well, sir, you are a nice guy. It IS very thoughtful of you to remind this man who "remembers what real bullets are and what they do" that it's not only bullets that will fetch him to the steps of the mausoleum.
What a poseur he and all the other lying DUmmie warriors are.

Now, now, now, Boudi, you should know better than to use DUmmie and warrior in the same sentence, unless of course we're talkin' "butt warrior", then that is permissible. heh!

Boudicca · « **Reply #19 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:14:43 AM »

Quote from: AllosaursRus on June 30, 2011, 06:31:42 PM

Now, now, now, Boudi, you should know better than to use DUmmie and warrior in the same sentence, unless of course we're talkin' "butt warrior", then that is permissible. heh!

JakeStyle · « **Reply #20 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:41:06 AM »

Well done delilahmused, it's the truth but it's not very often recognized.

Doc Savage · « **Reply #21 on:** July 03, 2011, 07:45:47 AM »

Quote from: tanstaafl on June 30, 2011, 11:38:43 AM

Are there any other AFB's in Nevada other than Area 51 and Nellis?

I thought the UAV's were piloted in Florida, Central Command HQ and all.

And why are they wasting a pilot with the rank of Captain time with what should be a WO's job?

Nellis. My kid was looking into that job when he enlisted. I think initial job training in at Dysis (sp?) in TX then they go to Nellis to fly the things. Now he is going to be in the Prcision Calibration field and I have no idea where he is going to go.

I did my time in the canoe club and with the grunts as a corpsman. The zoomie jokes were worse than the Costie ones.

AprilRazz · « **Reply #22 on:** July 03, 2011, 08:27:45 AM »

I have always wondered something. I know that there are some primitives that have DD214's. But how many of them actually volunteered for service and how many were drafted.

Skul · « **Reply #23 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:09:13 PM »

Quote from: AllosaursRus on June 30, 2011, 06:31:42 PM

Now, now, now, Boudi, you should know better than to use DUmmie and warrior in the same sentence, unless of course we're talkin' "butt warrior", then that is permissible. heh!

Most likely the same as a rump ranger.

FreeBorn · « **Reply #24 on:** July 03, 2011, 12:24:57 PM »

Quote from: AllosaursRus on June 30, 2011, 05:46:47 PM

H5 girlfriend, H5!!!!

Ditto! ^

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