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Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« on: June 27, 2011, 08:59:52 PM »
Raw Story strikes again! Couldn't put it in the title:

Dummies support the troops

Huge bonfire. If I did this wrong Frank, feel free to edit.

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Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
   
Source: Raw Story

The United States spends $20.2 billion annually on air conditioning for troops stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan — more than NASA's entire budget, NPR reported.

In fact, the same amount of money that keeps soldiers cool is the amount the G-8 has committed to helping the fledgling democracies in Tunisia and Egypt.

The necessary cooling costs so much because of the remote locations and danger involved in delivery equipment and fuel, Steven Anderson, a retired logistician who served under Gen. David Petraeus in Iraq.

"When you consider the cost to deliver the fuel to some of the most isolated places in the world — escorting, command and control, medevac support — when you throw all that infrastructure in, we're talking over $20 billion," Anderson told NPR. "You've got risks that are associated with moving the fuel almost every mile of the way."

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/26/cost-of-air-condi... /

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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sun Jun-26-11 09:38 PM
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1. cooling the soldiers in the desert to the tune of 20 billion is insane. bring them home.

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2. I have no appropriate words to describe the depth of my disgust and that's saying something.

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17. It clearly moves these wars into the criminal column ... and all of those supporting them!!

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62. I second that puking and will spew it on the next ****ing moron who bleats about "wasting" money on NASA.

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70. Interesting
   

Why do most of them re-up and do more than one tour.  Many of
the troops do 3 or 4 tours because when they come home, they
feel they can't fit into their homelife or their community .

They miss their squad, the action, their guns, the danger . .

I only wish they all get counseling when they decide to
remain stateside . .

Soldiers and marines are nuts!!! Unlike the denizens of the dump.
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75. Well I can't believe it.
   
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people. It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine. There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it

Soldiers/marines are sociopaths!

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40. Exactly! If we just spend half the money we spent for the military on diplomacy, we would have such a better world.

Lets all sing Kumbya.

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16. We buying gasoline in Afghanistan from KBR for $1,000 a gallon which would keep a helicopter in the air about 1 minute!!

Helicopter use gasoline? I thought is was some kind of other fuel.

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29. As home heating fuel subsidies for needy Americans get cut. Love dose priorities, Dems!

Waaaah! I want my heating bill paid!!

Like I said, this is a huge bonfire. I'm too disgusted to read anymore.


Edited to change "soldiers" to "troops" in the link. Wouldn't want to leave out the Marines, Navy and Airforce folks!!!
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 09:09:50 PM »
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57. Many if not most in the Military vote Republican and hence for more war..
   
They do indeed like war and the glory that supposedly comes with it...War is the quickest road to promotion for officers...

Funny our current president is a dem and he escalated the illegal war in Afghanistan and started another one in Libya.

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75. Well I can't believe it.
   
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people.
It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine.
There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it.
   

**** you asshole.

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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2011, 09:30:11 PM »
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17. It clearly moves these wars into the criminal column ... and all of those supporting them!!

Obama to the Hague for war crimes, NOW!!!!! eleventy 1111
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2011, 09:39:49 PM »
We don't buy fuel for $1000 a gallon from KBR.

Now that he's out of office, that money is paid directly to Richard Cheney.

Previously, KBR held it in trust for him.
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2011, 09:40:17 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on June 27, 2011, 09:30:11 PM
Obama to the Hague for war crimes, NOW!!!!! eleventy 1111

Impeach 0bama for war crimes!!!!1111111
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 09:51:24 PM »
A stupid and pointless comparison, that would be just as valid, or invalid, if we also charged the budget of 50 State Police organizations against the NASA budget to reflect the security costs of the highways they use to transport their people and equipment.
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 10:13:40 PM »
Maybe its all a hoax like the moon landings?  :tinfoil:  Just look for the letter "C" on some of the alleged desert rocks. I bet they are just reusing the same sets NASA used too and NASA is pocketing the money to hoax a manned Mars landing. :tinfoil:
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2011, 10:21:08 PM »
To get a feel for how f*cked the Obama regime and the donks of the 110th & 111th left us, $20 billion is but a mere FOUR DAYS OF DEFICIT SPENDING under those turds.
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 03:48:17 AM »
Bring the troops home NOW...turn'em loose on the enemy within.
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2011, 04:03:12 AM »
I wonder how much the federal prison budget to house DUmmies who broke the law costs? How about the disability going to members of the DUmp alone? Big difference is the air cooling our troops serve a purpose: to bring comfort in very hard conditions to individuals with a purpose and living a life in service for however long they do. The others' purpose is to support leeches and miscreants so they can either a)stay segregated from decent human beings like you and I or b) sit at home and type on the dump while on trumped up medical conditions collection a check. I know they like to say things like, why would I choose to collect disability because its so little. Trust me when I say never underestimate the mediocrity someone who wants to take advantage of society will live under. Normally these type of people willingly take what little they can get for 'free' and then are jealous of productive citizens for having more then them...that's the dump you say? Precisely.


And I have a brother on disability: he is on dialysis 3 days a week and absolutely unable to work and fully disabled. I'm well aware there are people who do indeed need societies help to be able to just survive. Most of those folks were either productive members of society at one time or would trade their ills to be one currently again. My brother fits both. despite an entire life of medical conditions, he worked until he just could not anymore. His desire was always to serve in the military, but medically he was ineligible. People like him probably have to endure the 'look over' of decent productive people who wonder if he is one of the leeches aforementioned. Thanks DUmpies and people like you for making his life even more difficult because of your laziness and greed.
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2011, 05:08:43 AM »
Rawstory to NPR yields this as the source:

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"When you consider the cost to deliver the fuel to some of the most isolated places in the world — escorting, command and control, medevac support — when you throw all that infrastructure in, we're talking over $20 billion," Steven Anderson tells weekends on All Things Considered guest host Rachel Martin. Anderson is a retired brigadier general who served as Gen. David Patreaus' chief logistician in Iraq.

How the hell did he come to that figure you ask?

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To power an air conditioner at a remote outpost in land-locked Afghanistan, a gallon of fuel has to be shipped into Karachi, Pakistan, then driven 800 miles over 18 days to Afghanistan on roads that are sometimes little more than "improved goat trails," Anderson says. "And you've got risks that are associated with moving the fuel almost every mile of the way."

So the good general is including the costs of personnel, flights, and transportation of fuel into his equation.   No where does he parse out the fraction of the fuel that is being transported for other uses, it all for air conditioning folks.

Google search has all the liberal blogs crying outrage, but what is noticeably absent is comments from the DoD on accuracy of this figure.   

Imagine that?   

Fox lies..... Fox lies.....   :whatever:
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2011, 05:13:37 AM »
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75. Well I can't believe it.
  
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people.
It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine.
There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it.

You know what asshat?   Let's just say you are correct.  There are sociopaths in the military who actually enjoy killing.  

You better get down on your knees every single night and thank your god for them, as their service and willing to kill keeps your pathetically coward ass safe.  

Capiche?

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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2011, 08:34:07 AM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on June 27, 2011, 09:39:49 PM
We don't buy fuel for $1000 a gallon from KBR.

Now that he's out of office, that money is paid directly to Richard Cheney.

Previously, KBR held it in trust for him.

have a mole plant this in DU and watch the forest fire begin :lmao:
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2011, 08:39:00 AM »
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70. Interesting
   

Why do most of them re-up and do more than one tour.  Many of
the troops do 3 or 4 tours because when they come home, they
feel they can't fit into their homelife or their community .

They miss their squad, the action, their guns, the danger . .

I only wish they all get counseling when they decide to
remain stateside . .

This isn't the late 60's and early 70's where they came home only to get spit at by you hippie jackasses, fool. This is 2011 and all of you would get a f'n beatdown for spitting on a troop. They aren't "re-upping" for 3 and 4 tours, many make careers out of the military and that's just their unit's rotation.
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2011, 10:45:40 AM »
Compare and contrast this with their recent threads about people on WIC buying iPods and how it is wrong to dump on them.
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40. Exactly! If we just spend half the money we spent for the military on diplomacy, we would have such a better world.

Who let him mingle among the general population?
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2011, 11:45:23 AM »
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Who let him mingle among the general population?

Me.

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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2011, 01:11:18 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on June 28, 2011, 11:45:23 AM
Me.

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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2011, 01:16:50 PM »
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75. Well I can't believe it.
   
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people. It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine. There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it

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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2011, 01:18:02 PM »
Quote from: WinOne4TheGipper on June 28, 2011, 01:11:18 PM
Just make sure to put him back in his rabbit cage and to clean up after him. :lmao:

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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2011, 02:33:35 PM »
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75. Well I can't believe it.
   
Because I have seen some that love the conflict and the idea of killing people. It gives them a sense of power and they serve as an example to the rest of what a real soldier should be....a killing machine. There are sociopaths in the military I am sure...and many of them love it

Well, some people just need killin'.  Unfortunately, us blood-crazed militarist arenalin-junkie Fundie TEA Party sociopathic (etc., etc.) death robots aren't allowed to take care of all of them, just a few in some scattered particular places overseas.

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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2011, 02:43:02 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on June 28, 2011, 02:33:35 PM
Well, some people just need killin'.  Unfortunately, us blood-crazed militarist arenalin-junkie Fundie TEA Party sociopathic (etc., etc.) death robots aren't allowed to take care of all of them, just a few in some scattered particular places overseas.



It's too bad that all the ones here that need killin' don't go there where they can be killed by the BCMAJFTEAPSetc DRs.
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2011, 03:54:00 PM »
Considering the moon missions cost $20 billion/each, back in the 70's, this is a deal.
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2011, 05:33:37 PM »
Quote from: diesel driver on June 28, 2011, 03:54:00 PM
Considering the moon missions cost $20 billion/each, back in the 70's, this is a deal.

Ya know DD... I am all for funding Nasa. As long as they stay on their mission which is space exploration. So how do we fund it? Easy! Just cut funding welfare by whatever the dummies decide that Nasa's budget should be. After all, if the dummies think it is so important, then let them fund it out of their "paycheck".   :fuelfire: :fuelfire:
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Re: Cost of air conditioning for U.S. troops in MidEast more than NASA budget
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2011, 06:04:47 PM »
I would increase NASA spending by orders of magnitude. Aside from defense, it's the best bang for the buck American taxpayers have ever received. The engineering spinoffs are invaluable, but equally valuable is the thundering affirmation of American expertise and capabilities, and the effect space accomplishments have on the American spirit. That spirit translates directly into confidence in the future. It's the epitome of Reaganism.

One Mars rover is worth thousands of the muslim's shovel-ready union boondoggles.
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