It's clear that there are some hard feelings about gays (Skinner)

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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-15-11 10:16 AM
Original message
It's clear that there are some hard feelings surrounding discussion of LGBT issues here on DU.
   
Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 10:55 AM by Skinner
And I think some of you need a place to hash this out. There have been a few attempts to work through this, which is good.

Unfortunately, I think those attempts have been stymied by our efforts to enforce the DU rules, which has had the unintended consequence of creating more hard feelings, and making honest discussion difficult. The purpose of rules is foster productive discussions, but in this case I think the rules are having the opposite effect.

If one thing is totally obvious, it's that I can't make you get along, and I can't make you talk to each other and understand each other, and I can't make you happy. You need to do that yourselves. By getting myself out of the way, I hope that some of you might be able to hash this out.

So, I am posting this thread where interested DUers can engage in an unfiltered and uncensored discussion. I am instructing the moderators not to delete any posts, so don't bother alerting. This thread is for you all to actually engage in a discussion with each other, rather than sending tit-for-tat alerts in hopes of getting the moderators to censor people.

Obviously feelings are very raw, many DUers feel misunderstood and disrespected, and I know that there is a good chance this discussion will get very hot. To be honest, I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. Maybe, once people have had a chance to blow off steam, we can finally make some progress.

Good luck.

MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-15-11 10:19 AM
Response to Original message
1. Well, my support for full equality for GLBT human rights
   
Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 10:22 AM by MineralMan
has never flagged. Sometimes I'm misunderstood, but that support is unbreakable. I may differ on strategy with some, but that's it. Never on principle. I understand the frustration many feel.

MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-15-11 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. No doubt. That's OK.
   
My personal belief is that the entire issue needs to be dealt with on constitutional grounds. Anything less is not enough.

EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed Jun-15-11 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #43
74. Your communication problem with two people is not a gay issue. n/t

LOL

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1299874#1300202

[Evil_Conservative]

Good!  My mole will feel more welcomed.

[Karin]

I have no idea what the problem is here.  I never see any of this conflict.  They'd rather die than say that something the least bit inappropriate might be going on at those gay pride parades. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

However, calling the author "Man Coulter" is still allowed.

[thelaughingman]

...hard feelings...creating more hard feelings...uncensored...engage...with each other...tit-for-tat...feelings are very raw...get very hot...blow off steam...

Skimmer's a pretty punny guy.

[Tucker]

Skimmer's a pretty punny guy.

Der Skimmer is a capitalist trying to keep his income stream intact. Nothing more.

[Karin]

It's an enormous bonfire, 450 posts and counting.  Whatever for?  I tried to briefly skim it, but it looked like such a circle jerk I got out of there. 

[Wineslob]

MineralMan, expert at the art of playing the Admin's flesh flute.........

[Ralph Wiggum]

MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Wed Jun-15-11 10:19 AM
Response to Original message
1. Well, my support for full equality for GLBT human rights has never flagged.

Well if it has never flagged, then why didn't you include the full title - GLBTIQ?  You forgot "Intersex" and "Questioning"!!!!

[GOBUCKS]

That is really a repulsive thread title.

[Tucker]

That is really a repulsive thread title.

Intentional or Freudian slip?

[USA4ME]

The tinkerbelle's on Skin's island are a microcosm of how the primitives are compared the decent and civilized people.  You either agree 110% with the twinkies or you are non-human and to be sent to the showers and then the ovens; the same way the primitives view anyone that doesn't agree with their silly lib ideology. They deserve each other.

.

[franksolich]

Intentional or Freudian slip?

I vote "Freudian slip."

My fellow alum isn't known for a sense of humor, although it would help if he did have one.

[Ballygrl]

Oh my! the topic turns to moderation and Heddi has her mod privileges revoked!

Prism (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 03:53 PM
Response to Original message
429. DU's moderation ensures it is a hostile place for LGBTers
   
I thought this would change, but it clearly has not.

The problem is with about a dozen or so posters. Why is it never suspicious when an LGBT thread devolves into a condescending, homophobic cluster****, you can read it with a list of names at hand and check them off one by one? Why does no one on the moderating team take note of this? And it isn't a recent thing. This has been going on for years.

Frustratingly, when LGBTers finally get angry enough and respond our posts are deleted while the most egregiously offensive comments by straight posters hellbent on antagonizing us remain. I just saw a thread where the LGBT responses were swiss-cheesed right out of the thread while the posts calling gay people a bunch of racists remained. (WTF, mods!)

Here is a crystal clear example of the problem. Mark it well, because this attitude and behavior is legion on all sorts of LGBT topics, but on this issue, the clarity of the motives of various individuals could not be starker.

When the Obama DOJ defended DOMA, the LGBT community exploded. What happened on DU? The usual bromides. Pony, single-issue, you never loved him, you can't have everything you want right now, I don't disagree with you - only your tactics, you're ungrateful for all he's done for you (this, in the summer of 2009 already), you're just being hostile.

Now, the LGBT community protested, and pressured, and cajoled, and worked our ever-loving asses off. And you know what?

The President changed his mind and did the right thing.

Awesome, right? A reason for DU to unite and celebrate, right?

Wrong. The same people who posted all the offensive things above used it as yet another occasion to blast DU's LGBT community. That the President changed his mind wasn't proof of the community's correctness, it was proof that we were being evil and wrong in criticizing the President. It was proof that President Obama is awesome, and LGBTers are just bitter and hateful.

Even though we convinced the President. We fought for this. We made it happen.

Yet, we're still the ungrateful, hostile, useless assholes. For what, convincing the President to do the right thing?

Heads, the President's wrong stance is 100% correct. Tails, LGBTers are whining children who deserve disdain.

We, literally, can't win. And the selective moderation, where offensive, antagonizing comments by the usual suspects remain while LGBTers' responses are deleted ensures that LGBTers will not feel welcome or appreciated no matter what gains we make, no matter how much we affect this administration positively.

Why is it this hostility is crystal clear to many of us, yet the mods repeatedly seem totally at sea and unable to recognize when people who have been antagonizing LGBTers for years are at it once again? What blind spot exists here?

As far as that List, I made my thoughts known about it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

That list is offensive as hell to me, and it would never ever be tolerated by anyone at all if it was directed at another minority community. The fact that that List keeps getting slapped down - no matter how many times LGBTers say it's offensive - is a perfect crystallization of the problem. Clearly, LGBTers don't know their own issues, feelings, or lives. We need heterosexuals to explain to us what is or is not ok.

And that, right there, is the problem, again and again and again. Heterosexuals know better what is and is ok to LGBTers' sensibilities.

It's as patronizing to many of us as white people have been and continue to be towards racial minorities when they push for dignity and equality.

You do not know better. Stop behaving as if you do.

Ohio Joe   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #429
445. I do not think the problem is the mods but rather the technicality
   
In all honesty, I expect the mods sometimes delete with their noses held. Their job is to hold up the rules to the letter of the law and not the spirit of it... There is a reason I have never tried to be one... I could not do it in an impartial way.

Prism (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #445
582. I could at least understand it if that were the case.
   
Rules are rules, objective arbiter and all that. That would be perfectly fine. But, in the last two weeks alone, there have been several threads directed at LGBTers where personal attacks and all kinds of heinous intimations (gays are racist!) were allowed to stand while responses to them were not. What results is a very lopsided attack thread aimed at LGBTers.

If that's how the rules objectively come down time after time, something's very wrong with the rules.

But, I don't think that's it. I honestly believe the mods just do not see what an LGBT individual sees.

mopinko    (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 04:00 PM
Response to Original message
438. homophobic moderators
   
i do not enter this thread to throw down some sort of gauntlet but to enter into this dialog and hope to answer some questions. i hope i do not spill any of the wrong beans of the hot tub, but i think perhaps if people had a little better idea what it was like, maybe they would not reach some erroneous conclusions.

first i must point out that mods are volunteers. i know everyone knows that. but the number of hours that most of us work are long. some work the graveyard shift. some risk the ire of significant other, or bore them to death with the stories of the day.
but second, as a result of first, is that coverage is sometimes spotty. since nothing is ever done by a single mod, sometimes things can hang in the air for a while. other times there are lots of folks around and the turn around time can be very short. and that is just after we get the alert. sometimes things hang for a long time before they are alerted on.
third is that there are often difficult calls. they require a discussion which often requires a lot of time.
it is a creaky machine.

the most important things, tho, is to testify that every single moderator here is a thoughtful and decent person to the ends of their toenails. they do not only give to du. they give to all kinds of good causes. they work for all sorts of good causes. they help each other.
if some of our official actions give the appearance of a bias of any sort, i swear that it is a result of happenstance. a less biased bunch of people you will never meet.

peace to all.

(hope skinner doesn't make an exception and delete this post.)
(all of the above also applies to the big guys here.)

lazarus    (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #438
458. an addendum or two
   
It's important for people to understand that every single moderator action is taken after we reach consensus of mods available at the time.

Nobody is ever banned, nor is any post deleted, nor thread locked, due to the actions of one lone moderator. The vast majority of the time, it takes at least three to take action. If it's a sticky situation, we'll let it go until we have four or five or more in consensus.

And if we can't reach consensus, if one mod disagrees, then nothing is done.

Something simple, like calling someone an asshole, we'll delete with just two mods agreeing.

As for bannings, if it's a long-termer or a donor, admin has to pull the trigger, we can't.

Also, I think people would be surprised to find out how many LGBT mods there. I'm one (the B part).

pinto    (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #458
469. Hi laz. (side post) Not sure if this is really about us, or should be about us.
   
I know it's come up in the course of the thread, but the intent seems to be an open discussion among members about how it goes for GLBT members here.

I'm open to discussing moderator stuff, as possible, but not sure this is the venue.

Fat Che's Little Brother   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #478
585. You don't need one lone homophobic moderator protecting the bullies
   
when you have at least three.

mopinko    (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #701
1044. mods do not make that decision.
   
let me say that again, mods do not make that decision.

banning is a very limited solution, anyway. you have no idea how much time we spend trying to keep people we have banned from coming back. and somehow, even when that doesn't happen, sadly, there seems to be a never ending supply of assholes stepping up to take their place.
but believe me, mods would like to tombstone a lot of people.

 

Fat Che's Little Brother   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #1044
1175. Well, to be honest, if they could
   
then there wouldn't be a single gay poster left on DU. Rasputin proved that fact back during the Purge of '09. And I'm sure a few of your "five minutes or less" actions would have brought about tombstones, too.

I think a lot of the problem was borne out by the actions of the Administrators this morning: institutional bigotry at the top level.

thanks_imjustlurking (462 posts) Wed Jun-15-11 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #652
702. Yep. It's a pattern.
   
and a lot of it can no longer be seen because of disappeared posts.

I really think all posts should be left - perhaps lock the poster out of the thread, but leave the evidence there. Or require another click to see the evidence. Something.

But a lot of the patterns are gone, gone, gone.

Fat Che's Little Brother   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #702
721. And sadly, too often
   
the responses to the patterns also disappear. It's easy to sweep up the tracks.

thanks_imjustlurking (462 posts) Wed Jun-15-11 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #472
698. "This place does not have an LGBT problem so much as it has a bullying problem."

Heddi   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #458
747. Laz, I have to disagree with you on one point...There is a moderator who currently mods
   
Edited on Wed Jun-15-11 08:49 PM by Heddi
who has deleted MANY threads without consensus, who has locked MANY threads without consensus, who does it knowingly (not recently, though) and who I and other mods have had to go to Skinner about restoring threads and unlocking threads. He even locked a thread 2x's after Skinner unlocked it 2x's. He has done this for the last year or so that I've been modding.

There are moderators who are biased. I dislike moderating with them. They are very open in their disdain for certain groups of DU'ers. I have spoken several times about these Moderators with Skinner. I have called these moderators out in the Mod Forum.

Skinner has assured me that these "issues" will not be an issue with DU3 and the new way of moderating.

I only hope so.

The only reason I have stayed on as a moderator for the last 3 or so terms is that there are several mods who I feel would be very dangerous without just one person there to say "NO! I am against a lock" or "No! I do not support banning this poster" (not an issue any more since we don't tombstone without Skinner's approval).

The last 3 terms have seen the loss of several very good, very balanced moderators because they were tired of the bullshit cliques in the lounge, the bullying, the superiour attitude, and the ability for bad mods to continue to be mods, and to continue to be bad mods.

Prism (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #747
775. Nice to have confirmation of what was only strongly suspected.
   
Thank you for your honesty. Sincerely. When enough people tell you your own eyes are lying, you begin to suspect it. Thank you for making it clear we're not imagining these things.

Heddi   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #775
810. I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to me me v them
   
I'm a human. I have biases and prejudices and pet issues. everyone does. but as a moderator I try my best to recognize my bias towards issues or posters and recuse myself from a decision if I feel I cannot be unbiased in moderating that situation or post or whatever.

and the biases I speak if aren't just or always gblt. it's r/t or guns or lounge posts...everything I guess. moderators are human and we have the flaws that every human has, but its okay to say ' I can't moderate this post or poster or issue fairly'. that's not a weakness but it's sometimes seen as such I think.

Behind the Aegis   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #810
944. I always knew I liked you, even when we disagreed; which wasn't often.
   
YOU ****ING ROCK!

myrna minx   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #810
1016. .
   
Thank you.

Heddi   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #810
1063. because of my posts in this thread, my moderator privileges have been revoked
   
I am not shocked it happened, and I stand 100% behind my words, and I think my record as a moderator for several terms both recently and as far back as 2003 or 2004, as well as my posting history as a DUer since October 2001 speak for themselves as far as my dedication to DU goes.

WhollyHeretic   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #1063
1068. I was just going to ask you about that
   
I'm guessing the biased mods still have their mod status. I'm starting to remember why I left this place for a quite a while in '09. Thanks for saying what you did.

 

LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #1063
1074. Sadly I'm not surprised. Thank you for stating the truth anyhow.

QC   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #1063
1098. I wish I could say that I am surprised,
   
both by what you revealed and by what resulted from your revelations, but truth be told I am not at all surprised. You simply confirmed what many people have known for a long time.

And let me guess: the rogue mod is still a mod, right?

Fat Che's Little Brother   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #1098
1108. Apparently, the three of them still are.
   
The two who are active in this thread still have their little "moderator" avatars.

Fat Che's Little Brother   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #1063
1104. Repeating my statements from down-thread
   
This is not a way to restore our trust in the system, by removing the only moderator who had the guts to admit that there is a problem, and what we have been complaining about for ages is actually going on.

If Heddi is gone as a moderator and cbayer, mopinko, and Skippy stay then it's proof that there is a problem, there is institutional homophobia on this site, and it lies at the Administration level.

Vanje   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #1104
1149. WORD!
   
****in WORD!

Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #1063
1128. You might as well tell us who YOU think are the biased/bigoted mods.
   
We all have an idea.

Hang for a penny, hang for a pound.

Thanks for your honesty.

Vanje   (1000+ posts)   Thu Jun-16-11 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #1063
1148. I'm sorry....
   
....that your telling a truth, lost you a privilege at DU.
That is bad news.

Zorra   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #1063
1201. Bravo, and thank you, for posting up.
   
It was apparent to many of us that there had to be one or two mods that were more than a little biased on some topics, and like you said, it was not just on GLBT issues.

While the large majority of us understand that mods are volunteers (thank you so much) and that moderating is at best extremely difficult in many situations, and that almost every single mod does a commendable job here, many long time DUers are very aware that there is a mod or two that apparently lacks sufficient temperament and objectivity to be a DU moderator.

CreekDog   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #1063
1257. okay, so we know that DU will act quickly if a moderator pulls back the curtain
   
it sounds like DU doesn't act so quickly, or maybe at all, if a moderator just breaks the rules.

it seems to be the speaking out (without naming names) that is the problem that gets dealt with.

is the greater priority protecting the holy of holies so that nothing from behind the curtain is revealed?

uppityperson   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #1063
1278. Seriously? That really sucks. So they won't delete posts, but will take away mod privileges?
   
Looks like one nasty poster was banned also.

Oh bah to admin for taking away Heddi's mod privileges for speaking out. Will my complaining about moderation now get ME banned?

So sorry Heddi and shame on them.

McCamy Taylor   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #1063
1371. Wow! They locked the thread about how your mod privilieges were locked.   
   
George Orwell would have something to say about this... and DU would lock his thread.

QC   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #747
801. This explains a lot. n/t

yardwork   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #747
827. Thank you for confirming what has been obvious to many of us for a long time.
   
Thank you.

Bluebear   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #747
839. Bravo for your honest braveness, while so many have been so dishonest.

Ignis   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #747
957. This is incredibly brave.

   
 

thanks_imjustlurking (462 posts) Thu Jun-16-11 06:58 AM
Response to Reply #747
981. Thank you.

mopinko    (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #747
1047. gee heddi, why don't you just name names.
   
i have no idea who you are talking about. and i guess i don't work the fun shifts because i have no idea who OR what you are talking about. this term has been the most amicable since i have been a mod.

Fat Che's Little Brother   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #1047
1112. She doesn't need to name names.
   
Four of them have been brought up elsewhere in this thread. And that the four of you are still moderators while Heddi is not proves that the problem is real, and our complaints have been both justified and ignored.

CreekDog   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #1047
1263. if she does as you say, she may get into some trouble...are you baiting her?
   
Edited on Thu Jun-16-11 04:48 PM by CreekDog
also, if she does as you say, then you will cause someone to be named as a homophobe or some other serious accusation on the internet.

i can't believe a moderator is encouraging this.

Commie Pinko Dirtbag   (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #747
1272. I am now going to exercise my ESP.   
   
That particular moderator keeps jody, Cid_B, PavePusher, kctim, and others with a similar bent out of trouble.

How much of a Charles Xavier am I? (Use PM for replying if you prefer.)

P.S.: (Redundant but)

 
 

Lex (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #747
1372. As a former mod for several terms, I stand with you, Heddi. nt

Fat Che's Little Brother   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #438
576. You know, Mo, if you're serious about the amount of work it is
   
and you want to do something about homophobic moderators, you could step down and solve both problems.

mopinko    (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #576
615. i honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
   
if i could know what it is exactly i have done, perhaps a conversation could start there. i feel there must be some misunderstanding, as nothing could be further from the truth.
i sincerely want to know.

Fat Che's Little Brother   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #615
623. "i honestly have no idea what you are talking about"
   
and therein lies the problem.

You have a long history with LGBT*.* posters here, complaints from us about your actions that have gone unanswered, and we can't trust you.

mopinko    (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #623
630. please give me an example.
   
if i have been ignorant, i would be happy to learn. i meant no offense to anyone here. least of all as a mod.
seriously, spit it out. i want to know.

Renew Deal   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #623
734. Be specific
   
The "if you don't know what you did wrong, I can't tell you" routine is unfair to the mods you have smeared as homophobes. Be specific. What is your specific complaint about the mods. Why should I hate mopinko?

[Ballygrl]

William769   (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-15-11 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #438
640. Some mods are volunteers with abusive power.
   
Nuff said.

LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-16-11 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #438
1100. One of the most fair-minded and decent people on DU lost her mod privileges this morning.
   
The obvious homophobes are still mods. She's not. All she did was state her opinion that there is a problem with biased moderation. She did not state examples, post links or name names. The mods insisting that there's not a problem are all still here.

And people wonder why equality-minded folks are pissed about the biased moderation on this site.

[BEG]

This is what happens when PC rules your life. You don't have the right to NOT be offended. Geez, what pussies.

[miskie]

Totaling over 1,400 posts so far, the so-called megathread threatens to burn down the entirety of Skins island.

In another post, the Gay Comic Book Guy - AKA Fat Che's little brother - has decided to leave DU for 'a few weeks'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x178876

Anyway, Skin's thread is EPIC - It's going to generate lots of casualties.

[Ballygrl]

They're such drama queens. And I always find it amusing when those who point the finger at others have the finger pointed at them. I'm sure the mods who are being called out aren't happy at all basically being called homophobes, maybe they'll think twice now before they throw that charge out there to others. Since when does any disagreement=phobia of any kind?

And did the system change the name to Fat Che's Little Brother?  

[Tucker]

I'd like to know who the three mods are that's anti butt plug. I'd buy em a beer.

[franksolich]

I'd like to know who the three mods are that's anti butt plug. I'd buy em a beer.

Me too.

I'm not fond of prejudiced (or "prejudiced") people myself, but we all have those quirks, including myself.

The Bozo of Baltimore, for example, hates deaf people.

Okay, so that's not nice, but we're all human.  If someone doesn't like us, we just accept, adapt, and move on.

But it goes w-a-a-a-a-y too far when a victim (or in this case, a "victim") of prejudice demands that someone like him.

I'm neutral, utterly neutral, on the matter of gaiety, but this demand of gay primitives grates me.

The gay primitives can go **** themselves.

[Ballygrl]

I'd like to know who the three mods are that's anti butt plug. I'd buy em a beer.

This is the closest I can figure, from 1 of the posts I posted:

If Heddi is gone as a moderator and cbayer, mopinko, and Skippy stay then it's proof that there is a problem, there is institutional homophobia on this site, and it lies at the Administration level.

[dandi]

Anyway, Skin's thread is EPIC - It's going to generate lots of casualties.

It seems as if that was the plan all along.  $kimmer had to know that thread would start a slap fight, the queers would sling Vaseline all over the walls and the "mods" would have to do their duty and clean up the mess - with the required bannings to boot.  The fact that he got a pro-homo mod shitcanned in the process just has to be gravy.

[GOBUCKS]

If Heddi is gone as a moderator and cbayer, mopinko, and Skippy stay then it's proof that there is a problem

That's the three. I sure hope the queers are able to get rid of "cbayer the thread slayer".
Every time a DUmp thread starts to really get entertaining, it gets locked by that stupid DUmmy cbayer.
I don't care about mopinko. She used to be a really loopy regular in the nuthatch group.
Never heard of Skippy.

[sybilll]

That thread seemed to have started an avalanche of negative posts.  Lots of "I'm taking a break" posts, and lots of posts complaining about Obama being too Republican, Democrats not being Progressive enough, yadda yadda yadda.  I think one poster may have touched on a theory that has some validity.  You are either on board to go full on *Progressive *Revolution *Arab Spring *Socialism, or you stick with the Democrats.  It's like watching an amoeba divide. 

[Duke Nukum]

... Democrats not being Progressive enough... 

That's "dog whistle" code for "not racist enough" considering Progressives brought Marx's racist ideals to the United States.