Can This Country Afford the Rich and Corporations Anymore???

[Freeper]

DemocracyInaction (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jun-11-11 12:23 PM
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Can This Country Afford the Rich and Corporations Anymore???
   
They pay little to no taxes. They drain buckets full of our tax revenues into their own pockets as subsidies. They take their money out of the country so that they, "gasp", don't have to pay a dirty American worker. And they have the balls to say that it's "welfare queens", teachers, union workers, all workers and the government that are destroying this country. Bin Laden took out 3,000 Americans. They are taking out the rest. We cannot afford them anymore. Capitalism has become organized crime on steroids. AND, sadly, we are all on a death march because our elected politicians have no intention of stopping this death march. Our "savior" does not exist nor going to show up in the next election or the election after that, etc. "We the people" are a joke.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1276703

Yeah we should take everything from the rich and the corporations then the whole country can have nothing. Sounds like a great plan. 

Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jun-11-11 12:30 PM
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4. That's exactly what it is
   
Edited on Sat Jun-11-11 12:30 PM by Blecht
The rich are the leeches. Of course, they project this onto everybody else. They say the poor are sucking our country dry when in fact they themselves are the ones doing the sucking.

The rich (people who actually produce something) are the leeches, meanwhile those who sit there with hands open wide begging Obama to peel bills off his stash and fill them are not leeches. 

dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jun-11-11 12:32 PM
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5. Can we afford to not have rich corporations?
   
What will we all do? Farm our plot of land?

Lousy freeper troll.

dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jun-11-11 01:31 PM
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21. So you acknowledge this economy needs rich corporations?
   
And forget tax rates, it's the exemptions that matter. People are aiming at the wrong problem.

I know a guy who has written a plan where exemptions would be taken away, the actual tax rate dropped and as a result more Revenue will come into the fed. The problem is he has a R next to his name, you may have heard of him, Paul Ryan. Yep the same guy that is going to push old folks in wheel chairs off a cliff.

starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jun-11-11 01:38 PM
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22. We need to puncture this "wealth creation" myth
   
The rich do not create wealth. They siphon wealth out of the rest of us. They are thieves.

Wealth cannot be created out of nothing. For the last century or so, we've been converting fossil fuels into wealth. And now that those are being used up, the rich -- who always see the handwriting on the wall, even when they try to hide it from everyone else -- have decided to go back to earning their money the old-fashioned way, by screwing over the poor.

Since that's not a viable long-term plan, the planet as a whole is going to have to learn how to balance its wealth budget. We may be able to partially make up for the depletion of fossil fuels by using solar or wind power, but we can't count on ever having more wealth than we do right now. And that means we can't ever grow our way out of poverty.

Instead, the wealth really *is* going to have to be redistributed. The poor are going to have to get enough to live on. We're going to have to go back to planting staple food crops instead of gourmet delicacies for the rich. And though it may be possible for society to reward inventors and entrepreneurs by giving them a few more goodies than everybody else, there will be no more ultra-wealthy.

As the OP says, they're an expensive luxury we can no longer afford. I'm only sorry we can't put them up for sale on eBay.

I find it amusing the people who want to take money by force from corporations are calling them thieves.
Then again they call people who produce leeches. 

[true_blood]

DemocracyInaction (1000+ posts)Sat Jun-11-11 12:23 PM
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Can This Country Afford the Rich and Corporations Anymore???
They pay little to no taxes. They drain buckets full of our tax revenues into their own pockets as subsidies. They take their money out of the country so that they, "gasp", don't have to pay a dirty American worker.

Hey stupid DUmmie. Ever see how much the corporate tax is for businesses to do business in America? Why do you think they do "business" overseas to begin with?!
Get off the and come back down to reality.

[Evil_Conservative]

Are these people serious?

[Attero Dominatus]

DemocracyInaction (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jun-11-11 12:23 PM
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Can This Country Afford the Rich and Corporations Anymore???
  
They pay little to no taxes. They drain buckets full of our tax revenues into their own pockets as subsidies. They take their money out of the country so that they, "gasp", don't have to pay a dirty American worker. And they have the balls to say that it's "welfare queens", teachers, union workers, all workers and the government that are destroying this country. Bin Laden took out 3,000 Americans. They are taking out the rest. We cannot afford them anymore. Capitalism has become organized crime on steroids. AND, sadly, we are all on a death march because our elected politicians have no intention of stopping this death march. Our "savior" does not exist nor going to show up in the next election or the election after that, etc. "We the people" are a joke.

How do the DUmmies even function?  

[BlueStateSaint]

How do the DUmmies even function?  

On corporations' taxes!

[JohnnyReb]

We're going to have to go back to planting staple food crops instead of gourmet delicacies for the rich.

Yeah, just like China where the party leadership dine on rice grown in a certain unpolluted area with glacier melt pure water.

Bug invested beans and rice for all you DUmmies....while Obama and Me-Shall dine on $100 a pound wagyu steak.

[compaqxp]

Can This Country Afford the Rich and Corporations Anymore???

Sure, can it support all those on things like welfare is the real question.

[jukin]

Look to Africa to find out about that. No Rich, no corporations and abject poverty.

Dear DUchebags please kindly go **** yourselves and leave our country for one that has neither rich nor corporations. Might I suggest any country in Africa, North Korea, VZ, or Cuba.

[BlueStateSaint]

Sure, can it support all those on things like welfare is the real question.

We're obviously turning you, compaq.  H5.

[diesel driver]

starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jun-11-11 01:38 PM
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22. We need to puncture this "wealth creation" myth
   
The rich do not create wealth. They siphon wealth out of the rest of us. They are thieves.

Wealth cannot be created out of nothing. For the last century or so, we've been converting fossil fuels into wealth. And now that those are being used up, the rich -- who always see the handwriting on the wall, even when they try to hide it from everyone else -- have decided to go back to earning their money the old-fashioned way, by screwing over the poor.

Since that's not a viable long-term plan, the planet as a whole is going to have to learn how to balance its wealth budget. We may be able to partially make up for the depletion of fossil fuels by using solar or wind power, but we can't count on ever having more wealth than we do right now. And that means we can't ever grow our way out of poverty.

Instead, the wealth really *is* going to have to be redistributed. The poor are going to have to get enough to live on. We're going to have to go back to planting staple food crops instead of gourmet delicacies for the rich. And though it may be possible for society to reward inventors and entrepreneurs by giving them a few more goodies than everybody else, there will be no more ultra-wealthy.

As the OP says, they're an expensive luxury we can no longer afford. I'm only sorry we can't put them up for sale on eBay.

This DUmbass still buys into the idea that the economy is finite, like a pie, and if someone gets a big slice, there is less for everyone else.

I prefer to think of the economy as an oven.  We make our OWN pies with it, we can make them as big or as small as we want, but the bigger we make them, the more of our pie someone wants to take from us.

IF these DUmbasses were SO concerned about how "rich" the corporations are, why don't they buy shares of stock in that corporation, and get their own slice of the corporation's pie? 

Economic advice from a dumb conservative to all you "supergenius" Dummies.

[JohnnyReb]

This DUmbass still buys into the idea that the economy is finite, like a pie, and if someone gets a big slice, there is less for everyone else.

I prefer to think of the economy as an oven.  We make our OWN pies with it, we can make them as big or as small as we want, but the bigger we make them, the more of our pie someone wants to take from us.

IF these DUmbasses were SO concerned about how "rich" the corporations are, why don't they buy shares of stock in that corporation, and get their own slice of the corporation's pie? 

Economic advice from a dumb conservative to all you "supergenius" Dummies.

I baked a small simple pie myself because I didn't want the hassle and headaches of baking a bigger pie...BUT...I want my young son to have the chance, the opportunity, to bake as large a pie as he cares too. DUmmie don't like pie and they want to rob everyone of even the chance of having a little tiny slice of pie. If there are no rich people or corporations to sell your inventions, products or services to, how are you supposed to get your slice of pie?

DUmbasses, if you don't like rich people and corprations, get off your ass and do something that will legally separate them from their money...and that does not include having politicians to steal it for your lazy asses.

[diesel driver]

A relative of mine, who worships at the altar of government, asked me if I thought it was right that the middle class in this country is basically stagnant, while the richest 5% kept getting richer (along with the typical BS we see posted at the DUmp, about them getting richer on the backs of the middle class, etc., etc.,).

I replied that I have no qualms about how much someone had or made, and I asked him maybe instead of blaming all the problems of the country on the rich, maybe he should examine all those laws and policies that have been enacted over the last 100 years to punish the rich, and view them from the point that they are not "hurting or punishing" the rich, but have instead been hurting the middle class, by making it harder for them to become rich.

I don't know if it sunk in, but he is college educated, so it may take a while.

Liberals always look to the top, and figure out ways to tear it down so those at the bottom will "have more."

Conservatives look at the bottom and figure out how to make it easier for them to get to the top.

[ChuckJ]

I'm pretty sure if we can get more people on entitlements and unemployment we can continue affording even more rich and corporations. I say this because the DUmmies (the most smartest people in the world) have said that for every dollar paid out $1.84 (if I remember correctly) goes back into the economy. We're just a few more percentage points from being super rich.

[JohnnyReb]

I'm pretty sure if we can get more people on entitlements and unemployment we can continue affording even more rich and corporations. I say this because the DUmmies (the most smartest people in the world) have said that for every dollar paid out $1.84 (if I remember correctly) goes back into the economy. We're just a few more percentage points from being super rich.

I would think they have that backwards. For every $1.84 taken out of the economy by taxes, only a dollar ($1) goes back into the economy. The $.84 cents goes to government jobs to cover operating the system. Half of the dollar ($1) that goes back into the economy goes to drug dealers and is sent out of the country.
...and that only leaves the DUmmies 50 cent to get a magic marker, some cardboard and tin cup to beg with.

The New Math, DUmmie style.

[diesel driver]

I would think they have that backwards. For every $1.84 taken out of the economy by taxes, only a dollar ($1) goes back into the economy. The $.84 cents goes to government jobs to cover operating the system. Half of the dollar ($1) that goes back into the economy goes to drug dealers and is sent out of the country.
...and that only leaves the DUmmies 50 cent to get a magic marker, some cardboard and tin cup to beg with.

The New Math, DUmmie style.

I don't know what to believe now.

I heard for every dollar in taxes taken in by the government, only $.26 makes back into circulation.

BUT, for every $4,500 check handed out in the "cash for clunkers" program cost the taxpayers $24,000, which would be 6 times the amount, not 4 times like my example. 

In all honesty, who the hell really knows.   

[JohnnyReb]

I don't know what to believe now.

I heard for every dollar in taxes taken in by the government, only $.26 makes back into circulation.

BUT, for every $4,500 check handed out in the "cash for clunkers" program cost the taxpayers $24,000, which would be 6 times the amount, not 4 times like my example. 

In all honesty, who the hell really knows.   

I was just making fun of that statement and you're right, "In all honesty, who the hell really knows." Government math and DUmmie math were both taught from the same book.

[diesel driver]

I was just making fun of that statement and you're right, "In all honesty, who the hell really knows." Government math and DUmmie math were both taught from the same book.

That book can be found in the Fantasy/Science Fiction section of a library/bookstore.

[ChuckJ]

I would think they have that backwards. For every $1.84 taken out of the economy by taxes, only a dollar ($1) goes back into the economy. The $.84 cents goes to government jobs to cover operating the system. Half of the dollar ($1) that goes back into the economy goes to drug dealers and is sent out of the country.
...and that only leaves the DUmmies 50 cent to get a magic marker, some cardboard and tin cup to beg with.

The New Math, DUmmie style.

Do you mean to tell me that there's a chance that a DUmmie could be incorrect? Or even lying? Shirley, you jest.

[GOBUCKS]

I would think they have that backwards. For every $1.84 taken out of the economy by taxes, only a dollar ($1) goes back into the economy. The $.84 cents goes to government jobs to cover operating the system.

Well, that may be, but didn't the Buick wino advise us not long ago that $1 doled out in welfare generates something like $2.50 in value to the economy? So you take out $1.84 in taxes, give $0.84 to the bureaucrats, send a buck to bobbo the hobo, or Bev Harris, or Wishadoo, and then enjoy $2.50 in prosperity. It's like a perpetual motion machine. The only question is why you'd stop at just taking $1.84 in taxes.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The rich are the leeches...

They say this a lot but it implies some mechanism by which one thing--presumably wealth--is taken from the poor and transferred to the rich.

The poor aren't paying taxes* so there must be some other mechanism.

I suppose the DUmbasses might grudgingly admit any transfer of money involves the exchange of currency for goods and services but that implies a voluntary activity and that just doesn't comport with the necessary need for anger.

They then shift their complaints to encompass the necessities of life. However, America has the richest poor people in the world and things such as "food insecurity" and homelessness are the exception and often accompanied by extenuating circumstances, i.e. mental illness, substance abuse, etc. or it is short-term (I was once technically homeless for 2 weeks, unable to gain an apartment though I had plenty of money to do so).

It should be noted that if the "rich" charged vexatious amounts of money for life's necessities they would lose customers--and with them, their revenue--and they could not afford to employ minions to make the requisite transactions. In other words: if the rich charged $100 for a loaf of bread no one could afford bread unless the rich also paid their employees $1,000/hour to cover the cost of sustenance and the rest of life's needs. After all, someone has to plant grain, mill, mix, knead, bake, distribute and sell for bread to be brought to market. Certainly the evil rich are too busy cackling over piles of filthy lucre to be engaged in such pedestrian concerns.

However, as we all know the word "necessity" becomes distorted with leftist agitators. Once it can be shown food, shelter and clothing have been satisfied the list grows to education and healthcare et al and from there it becomes transportation and communications on to vacations and entertainment.

And all this to be wrapped in a bow so a to preserve the individual's sense of dignity. After all, it won't do if the Haves are different from the Have-on-someone-else's-dime.

so obviously only a leech would oppose this.

[Skul]

DemocracyInaction (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jun-11-11 12:23 PM
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Can This Country Afford the Rich and Corporations Anymore???

Yes.
We better, or your sorry ass is toast.

Now, go play in the street like a good lad.

[Karin]

the wealth really *is* going to have to be redistributed. The poor are going to have to get enough to live on. We're going to have to go back to planting staple food crops instead of gourmet delicacies for the rich.

This quote from starroute really struck me.  Her Highness the Queen proclaims her demands from on high.  Such arrogance.  Besides, King Zero and his wife will demand their arugula, endive, and baby hericot vert.  Who the hell does starroute think she is?  An impotent turd, nothing more. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

Are these people serious?

Amazingly and sadly enough, they are.

[Wineslob]

Are these people serious?

Unfortunately, yes. Commies one and all.